General, Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 18, 8 May - 25 May 1918, Part 2

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THIRD AUSTRALLAN DIYISION. Divisional Headquarters, 9th. May, 1918. Headquarters, Australian Corps. Subsequent to the successful operation by the 9th. Aust. Inf. Brigade on the night May 5th/6th., a supplementary speration was undertaken on the night May 7th/8th. in order to improve in Squares K.19.a. and c. the Right Flank of the Advance previously made, and to link up with an Advance to be made by the Division on my Right.- This Operation was entrusted to the 34th. Battalion with orders to employ two coys. on the task. Information as to the progress of this Operation reached, Divisional Headquarters in a very unsatisfactory and incomplete manner, and by day-break on May 8th. information as to the exact position of this part of my Front was very obscure; nor was any Information furnished by the Brigade from which it might be supposed that there had been any serious losses, or that any personnel was unaccounted for. - Owing to the exposed position of the terrain and the brightness of the day, no daylight reconnaissances could be made during the daylight on May 8th. - Last night, May 8th/9th., the Brigade was ordered to clear up the situation, definitely ascertain how far the Advance made on the previous night had progressed, and to consolidate all ground (1).
915118. (2) gained, but not to attempt and further advances. - At day-break this merning, the Brigade reported that the Front line was established on the line as reported in my telegram No.C.H. J-282. Subsequently information was received from the Brigade that up to time of notification four officers and ten other ranks who took part in the operations on the night May 7thfeth had not been accounted for, and were, for the time being, to be classed as missing, believed killed, but that inquiries were proceeding. Return In the Casualty Rpant furnished to Australian Corps through 4.Q. channels this evening, it is reported that four officers and thirty six other ranks of the 34th. Battalion are missing; but I regret to say that this report was not submitted to me, and was transmitted without reference to me.- On reference to the Brigadier, it appears that his staff Captain also transmitted this report, without informing him of its nature.- It has resulted from above circumstances that neither I nor the Brigadier were aware of the magnitude of the number of men unaccounted for, and my attention was not drawn to the matter until this evening. - In the meanwhile Lient.—Colonel FhY commanding the 34th. Battalion has been evacuated 1l1 and is not available for reference to explain the circumstances under which these men came to be missing, or as to why reports in this matter were so belated.-
915118. (3) I have at once given instructions for an exhanstive inquiry into the whole of the circumstances covering full details as to the plans of the operation, as to the probable oircumstances under which these men came to be made prisoners, whether as the result of advancing too far or as the result of counter-attack, and also as to the very unsatisfactory lapse of 48 hours before the facts were properly brought under notice. 1070F Boneral Commanding Third Australian Division.
Ga --- Unit 9th. May --------- 8a 4 pm. 12 m(n -------- - A. Light Horse LAHOUSSOTF Cyclist Platoon LAHOUSSOTH B. Engineers- 9th. Field Coy. 1.5.a.3.64 10th -do- C.24.0.8.2 11th -do- I.5.d.9.7 C. Pioneers. HEILLY D. 9th A.I. Brigade HELLLY Line TRr. Ar Battn. Br Battn. Line VRn Cr Battn. Line TRr. E. 10th A.I. Brigade HELLLY Relief Ar Battn. Line TLr Relief Br Battn. Line TLr Relief Cr Battn. Line FLr Relief Line TLr Dr Battn. Relief P. 11th. A3I. Brigafe FRECHENCOURT SUERRIEY Ar Bn.H.2.8 p Coys 1.24 (or 7.13) 2 Cops. Line Br Battn. 1.1 or 2IAUERRIEU FRANUILLERS JC Battn. 1.1 or 2/SUERRLED BAROUSSOYE (alear LAROUS- SOTE by 12 neml Dr Battn. I.1 or 2UQUERRIED LAROUSSOTE (ClearLAGUSS- oye t Enoon) --- ---- 10th May 11th May ----- 8 am 8en IP 20 H 4DM 12 mjn ---- o DUERRIED RIVERY FRECHENCOURT PONT NOTRPLEY BUSST Relief RIVERT Relief LAROUSSOTEJollar LA]BIVERT THOUSSCYE by 12 noon! Relief LAROUSSOTMClear LAYRIVER HOUSSOTE by 12 noom Bivouac in Relief GLIST by vicinity 1.24) 3 pm. CARDORETTE. FRANVILLERS (ALLONVILLR) do (W.OfLARUS- (BSEcheLon SOTE bylOam) billets) FRECHENCOURTIdo ALLONVLLLR CARDONNETTE SUERRLEU Relief QUERRLEU do
2- oapooooos 00 9th. May 10th. May 11th. May woow Unit - 8 an 4 pm. 12 mf 8 am 12 m 8 an 4 pm, 12 mjn --- CARDONETTE 6. 5th A. I. Brigade Relief HEILLY Ar Battn ALLONVLLLE/ LAROUSSOYE Relief Line R. (before 2nm (Adance Br Battn LAHOUSSOTE ALLONULLLE Line R. Relief (beore 2 p) (parties MCr Battn FRECRENCOURY FRANVILL- Relief Line R. ERS. Dr Battn ALLONVLLLR E. of PT. Relief Line R. NOYELLESby/Line R. 12 noond to FRANVILLERS by 4 pm. O H. 6th A. I. Brigade Relief HELLLY Ar Battn. QUERRIEU Relief Line L. Br Battn DUERRIEU Relief Line L. Mor Battn. DUERRIET Relief Line L. Dr Battn. outt Relief Line L. L. 7th A. I. Brigade RIVERY FRECHENCOURT) Ar Battn. GLISY 1. 24(or 7.13) Br Battn. RIVERY LAHOUSSOYE(not Lenterbefore 7pa) MCr Battn. RIVERY d0 LAROUSSOTE (To arrive be Dre noon) Dr Battn. GLISY LAROUSSOTE (when) do relieved by 9tn) A.L.Bde). (Bde areas M. G. Bn. Line FRANVILLERS (in support (Div. area.
5/18 Rosenthal. (convorsation) o Frsoner #A4 repot wanted Cenenl hvestipation Import aguent post lup Commandir. (Hobbe) ictst clave up font & expect attack tomorrow. I honens 20 swork I Wick Ireport i tum. S factorie Command 49th bill KitiefS Report o prisnen Smateriak. Relief order. iante tlontctant 34 canten 48 9/10
18 C.R.A. Aotilleny (Der. Henry Observation lnplade Fix, on Southern side of Ry. embankment Ville - to I beyond Dernancourt King up Mr. Sen Tanered G.O.C.R.A. Sr int M. Guns KNER
Anstoalian Corps. Situation in K. 19.C.2o/ still fully sand for lisee abccere not satisfactoryn Ean. We are definitely in touch with 8th Brigate at K.191C.00 ann thence our line of posts Veins North easterly to K.19. a.9.3 aan from there northwarks our front line is well established and consolidated and owing to darkness of fright and cnevy allotness the half Situation in South eastern flt of N. 19.c is Front still obscr e, but this part of our line is well covered by our supporting troops N. C.H. J. 282. 10. 45 and 9//127
Warn all troop that ur attack on Miod Aoviny this morning why repulsed with heary loss to him h troops landly shonted I Retive.
Co0 D $800
AUSTRALLAN CORPS B.E.F., FRANCE. tt h T. anum 191 8. My dear Monash, I think it is possible that before long 1 may be asking you for Wieck to be transferred as G.S.O. 2. Corps Headquarters, if, as is probable, Ross moves on. 1 mention this only that you may not be caught without a warning. In Wieck's place, I should probably wish to put in McColl, whom you possibly know - a very excellent man, whom I recently sent to the 2nd Division to get more regimental experience after a long spell on the staff. I have heard definitely that the Bishop of Bathurst will be available for a church parade on Sunday at any time after 10.30, so you might perhaps arrange your parade for 11 a.m. - if it is possible to hold one at all. Yours ever, irond

Urgent

THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.
Divisional Headquarters,
9th. May, 1918.
Headquarters,
Australian Corps.

Subsequent to the successful operation by the 9th. Aust.
Inf. Brigade on the night May 5th/6th., a supplementary operation
was undertaken on the night May 7th/8th. in order to improve in
Squares K.19.a. and c. the Right Flank of the Advance previously
made, and to link up with an Advance to be made by the Division
on my Right.-
This Operation was entrusted to the 34th. Battalion with
orders to employ two coys. on the task. -
Information as to the progress of this Operation reached,
Divisional Headquarters in a very unsatisfactory and incomplete
manner, and by day-break on May 8th. information as to the exact
position of this part of my Front was very obscure; nor was any
information furnished by the Brigade from which it might be
supposed that there had been any serious losses, or that any
personnel was unaccounted for. - Owing to the exposed position
of the terrain and the brightness of the day, no daylight
reconnaissances could be made during the daylight on May 8th. -
Last night, May 8th/9th., the Brigade was ordered to clear
up the situation, definitely ascertain how far the Advance made
on the previous night had progressed, and to consolidate all ground
(1).
 

 

(2)

9/5/18.
gained, but not to attempt and further advances. -
At day-break this morning, the Brigade reported that the
front line was established on the line as reported in my telegram
No. C.H. J.282. -

Subsequently information was received from the Brigade
that up to time of notification four officers and ten other ranks
who took part in the Operations on the night May 7th/8th had not
been accounted for, and were, for the time being, to be classed as
missing, believed killed, but that inquiries were proceeding. -
In the Casualty Report Return furnished to Australian Corps
through "A.Q." channels this evening, it is reported that four
officers and thirty six other ranks of the 34th. Battalion are
missing; but I regret to say that this report was not submitted to
me, and was transmitted without reference to me. -
On reference to the Brigadier, it appears that his Staff
Captain also transmitted this report, without informing him of its
nature. -
It has resulted from above circumstances that neither I
nor the Brigadier were aware of the magnitude of the number of men
unaccounted for, and my attention was not drawn to the matter until
this evening. - In the meanwhile Lieut.-Colonel FRY commanding
the 34th. Battalion has been evacuated ill and is not available
for reference to explain the circumstances under which these men
came to be missing, or as to why reports in this matter were so
belated. -
 

 

(3)

9/5/18.
I have at once given instructions for an exhaustive
inquiry into the whole of the circumstances covering full details
as to the plans of the operation, as to the probable circumstances
under which these men came to be made prisoners, whether as the
result of advancing too far or as the result of counter-attack,
and also as to the very unsatisfactory lapse of 48 hours before
the facts were properly brought under notice.

Major-General
Commanding Third Australian Division.
 

 

Ga

Unit 9th. May 10th May 11th May
  8 am 4 pm 12 m/n 8 am 4 pm 12 m/n 8 am 4 pm 12 m/n
A. Light Horse LAHOUSSOYE do do do QUERRIEU do do do do
Cyclist Platoon LAHOUSSOYE do do do QUERRIEU do do do do
B. Engineers-                  
9th.Field Coy. I.5.a.3.6 do do do RIVERY do do do do
10th   -do- C.24.c.8.2 do do do FRECHENCOURT do do do do
11th   -do- I.5.d.9.7 do do do PONT NOYELLES do do do do
C. Pioneers HEILLY do do do BUSSY do do do do
D. 9th A.I. Brigade HEILLY do do do do Relief RIVERY do do
"A" Battn. Line "R". do do do do Relief LAHOUSSOYE clear LA-
HOUSSOYE
by 12 noon
RIVERY
"B" Battn. Line "R". do do do do Relief LAHOUSSOYE Clear LA-
HOUSSOYE
by 12 noon
RIVERY
"C" Battn. Line "R". do do do do Relief Bivouac in
vicinity 1.24
GLISY by
3 pm.
do
E. 10th A.I. Brigade HEILLY do Relief CARDONETTE do  do do do do
"A" Battn. Line "L" do Relief FRANVILLERS
(B.Echelon
billets)
ALLONVILLE
(W.ofLAHOUSSOYE
by 10 am
do do do do
"B" Battn. Line "L" do Relief FRECHENCOURT do do do do do
"C" Battn. Line "L" do Relief ALLONVILLE do do do do do
"D" Battn. Line "L" do Relief CARDONETTE do do do do do
F. 11th.A.?I. Brigade FRECHENCOURT do QUERRIEU do do do do do do
"A" Bn.H.Q.& 2 Coys I.24 ( or J.13) do do do do QUERRIEU do do do
2 Coys Line do do do do Relief QUERRIEU do do
"B" Battn. FRANVILLERS I.1 or 2 QUERRIEU do do do do do do
"C" Battn. LAHOUSSOYE I.1 or 2 (clear
LAHOUSSOYE
by 12 noon
QUERRIEU do do do do do do
"D" Battn. LAHOUSSOYE I.1 or 2 (clear
LAHOUSSOYE
by 12 noon
QUERRIEU do do do do do do
 

 

- 2 -

Unit 9th. May 10th. May 11th. May
  8 am 4 pm 12 m/n 8 am 4 pm 12 m/n 8 am 4 pm 12 m/n
G. 5th A. I. Brigade CARDONETTE do do
Advance
parties
to 
Line R.
do do Relief HEILLY do do
"A" Battn ALLONVILLE LAHOUSSOYE
(before 2 pm)
do do Relief Line R. do do
"B" Battn ALLONVILLE LAHOUSSOYE
(before 2 pm)
do do Relief Line R. do do
"C" Battn FRECHENCOURT FRANVILLERS do do Relief Line R. do do

"D" Battn

 

 

ALLONVILLE

 

 

 

E. of PT.
NOYELLES by
12 noon & to
FRANVILLERS
by 4 pm.

do

 

 

 

do

 

 

 

Relief

 

 

 

Line R.

 

 

 

do


 

do

 

 

 

H. 6th A.I. Brigade

QUERRIEU

 

 

do Relief HEILLY do do do do do
"A" Battn. QUERRIEU do Relief Line L. do do do do do
"B" Battn. QUERRIEU do Relief Line L. do do do do do
"C" Battn. QUERRIEU do Relief Line L. do do do do do
"D" Battn. QUERRIEU do Relief Line L. do do do do do
I. 7th A.I. Brigade RIVERY do do do do do do FRECHENCOURT do
"A" Battn. GLISY do do do do I.24(or J.13) do do do
"B" Battn. RIVERY do do do do LAHOUSSOYE(not
enter before 7 pm)
do do do
"C" Battn. RIVERY do do do do do do LAHOUSSOYE (To arrive before noon) do
"D" Battn. GLISY do do do do do do LAHOUSSOYE(when
relieved by 9th
A.I.Bde).
do
M.G. Bn.         Line FRANVILLERS do (Bde areas
(in support
(Div. area.
do


 

 

9/5/18
Rosenthal. (conversation)
Prisoner 4 & 44 - report wanted A ]
General Investigation & report.
joint post - Corp Commander. (Hobbs)
Action & clear up front. -
Expect attack tomorrow. -
Pioneers - 2 Co. & work.
Wick & report re rum.
Tactical Command of 44th till Relief

 

Q.
Reports of prisoners | & material.]
Relief order.
Hawkins & Cruikshank.
Canteens
5/6

7/8

8/9
9/10
 

 


C.R.A.
9/5/18

Artillery (Div. & Heavy) Observation
& enfilade fire, on Southern
side of Ry. embankment
Ville - to & beyond Dernancourt
Ring up Brig. Gen [[?Tancred]]
G.O.C.R.A.
Sr with M. Guns

 

 

Australian Corps.
Situation in K. 19.C. not still
not fully satisfactory xxing and a little obscure
aaa. We are definitely in touch with 8th Brigade
at K.19.c.00 aaa Thence our line of posts
runs North easterly to K.19. a.9.3 aaa
From there northwards our front line is well
established and consolidated aaa Owing to
darkness of night and enemy alertness the
situation in South eastern part half of K. 19.c is
still obscure, but this part of our front line is
well covered by our supporting troops.
No. C.H.J. 282.
10.45 am. 9/5/18.
 

 

10 

11 

Warn all troops that enemy, during an local
attack on Third Army this morning which
was we repulsed with heavy loss to him his
troops loudly shouted "Retire". -

        

CHJ/286

6.6 pm

9-5-18
 

 

Hand drawn sketch - see original document
 

 

AUSTRALIAN CORPS,
B.E.F., FRANCE.
9th May, 1918.


My dear Monash,
I think it is possible that before long I may
be asking you for Wieck to be transferred as G.S.O. 2.
Corps Headquarters, if, as is probable, Ross moves on.
I mention this only that you may not be caught without
a warning.
In Wieck's place, I should probably wish to
put in McColl, whom you possibly know - a very excellent
man, whom I recently sent to the 2nd Division to get
more regimental experience after a long spell on the
staff.
I have heard definitely that the Bishop of
Bathurst will be available for a church parade on
Sunday at any time after 10.30, so you might perhaps
arrange your parade for 11 a.m. - if it is possible to
hold one at all.
Yours ever,
W.R. Birdwood.
 

 
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