General Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 18, 28 March - 20 April 1918, Part 6

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To By PhkS. Balkeith Lt. asc II armin B. April 1919 OMSNLSRTTBSMMIOR 55 Najor- General Sir John Yonash K.C. B. Comm Austrahian vis austre Corps
This addas a withn by the Easl, Dackent, whs is a dinterant, & H.S.C. to lener to law mont wmmander of the Ary 4 aapatet to i lette i
9Bte 3/8/16 II Bon in t Jn - 1. Alltcoy in the 35 line supplying their own supports B in reserve & of Villers Brttonenn 33 34430k digging switch ling O34 D- 03 N03 OLBLB UIDFC No M.CSi the time on right 18th Di - 55 Bde on left 1o Ca Di Frinch may neuve then tonight, at present the Hangard French Comeup as Joe Strength 8/120 3001 Too t00 bo
40 Do to 800 wol Instructions have been received from the P. of (ooe cooyA) and from P.D.S.N Lo, Reoond Arry, Coop, both attached, that Lorrice of certain makes in Divicienal supply Colurs, ammition sub Parks etc, are to be exchanged for lerries of other akes in Siege Pattery Colums. Tnere will in soe cases be a very considerable difference in the values of th se lerries, not only present alues, but original valuee. I consuited the D.D.Sot To, Secon Ary in refer to this natter, sheving him that, as the Anatralian Coveryment gore charged the first eat of these vehieles, there would be a coniderable aunt of bookekeeping and ajustment to be marte if theee instructions were made to soply to Astrulian Enits. Take for instance Perices Lerriee, of which a there is a considerable nimber in the Australian Cnite, the new value of wnich is from 81,000 to P110O, whoreas the Soise Berner, which vight have to be taken in a change, are enly worth, nos, from as00 to eroo. 14 vill be seen at a glance that the mstraliar Government, having been charged at firat coet, for Feerleas Lorrice, and then exchancing them for swine jorner Lerries, would have to be credited with the difference in values of the two manes, without taking into consideration the state of the he time of exchange. venieles. The Cibibat t. told as at First, to use iy o the delay in discretion in exchanging these vohicies, b bringing thie natter before you. Ae however GoHoL. are pressing for all exchanges to be effacted, he now aske that the ratter my be put up for a ruling. thare is also the matter of replacements. to the Australlan Government are charged the ri. coot, and then pay by capitation for upkeep, oither a nate of vanicle of equal value anould be given, or an adjusement wi have to be made at the finieh, as 17 for instance the firet charge is for a Vainall tar, and at the end, the Australis Governent is 1eft with a Ford Car, 1t vill be seen that a considerable loas has been sustained. Will you please put this matter up, so that a be obtained as tor- ruling an Ar the instructions contained in the two atiached lotters to De aggliel to Aatralian Inits. should the wakes of Cara, or other venioles, sent reximately to Australian units as roplacements, be a the care value as the makes originally supplied by, or charged to the Astrulian Governmont. wevsembrrer atGelovel. PoSo eRIRT.
DoDOBOAT Second A 521 Cottee J Ma Anterencs by Be. CIA Ad RapRT. te Slese battery axamition Colums nove froe one Permation to another 1t 5ill at present be found that the senone of exchange lnd toen therein has not been cerplied vith,, an as it te necessary that this sould be completed at ones, vill you please sive inediate attention to the mtter. It is inaterial whethr the exchanges are made wieh Bivisional Supply Colums, or txition su Parts, and although every eneavour to to be made to keep these bnits nengensous, the siving of the nates to a Rvisional suply Colum mist be considered rather than the chandening of a aanome which would entail this. Comerlorries are now to be insinded in the vitn- Ararale Frew Blace Baltery AMILCR CoIIIR Please Ferward a report to this orries by roin inste, stating in detail- Exchanged that can be carried out in the cerpe. . Excuanges atill necessary in the torpe, but urable to be carrted out. (olgned) K.Skelton. afor D.AoDeT. for DoDeSot To, Seooe A CeANMN Lecons Arery. 28pp7.
Dol.SoA T. Seoond Arvy soCl 1.1) 1st aaae. Instructions have been ree ived from the Direct of Transport that the nmmber of types of lorrses with siege batteries is to be redued. it vill be coen that this vill in every vay Facilitate the working of Corpe Siege Farks and w 1 rre land to reduce the stock of Spare Parts necessary to be kept by tiees Fark Nor anope. The following makes are to be withdrawn from Eiege Pattery amiition Colims as soon as opporeutity arises, and replaced by other lorries of standard nakes in the Army. Pacefield. Calles. Nallford. Bauror. Swine Ferner. Kelly Packard. Wolaley. so far as can be soon, lerriee with Bioge Ba amminition Colins being sent every 11 in future be the Following makeas- confined to Nawisley. aivion. AoSov0 4 Daldlor Peorlees. Farrier. Morrorr Locowobile (or Eiker) coner, Dermis and Fierce Attew lorries, by not be sent overseas with Sigge Battery Am and woo in Inture, but where these at prosent exist, no on lu ward to carrying out exchanges noed be taken at action in prosord. For your informtion and action as occasion Ortbto all exchanges made, should be reperted to this Ofrice. (aigned) A.TMLre. Colonel. Readtttor BoL.SoS T. Second Arwy. Seoond Arn. asfapr.
Administrative H. Ors. LONDON. April 3rd, 1918. Brig. General W. R. McNicoll, C.M.G.. D.S.O. Dear General, May 1 presume on our old friendship to ask your good offices for met As you know, I was in command of the 69th Bn. of the 6th Division. This unit was disbanded some months ago and I was attached to the Fourth Division in France, but my seniority stood in the way of my absorption and I have now probably to return to Australia. To-day, however, I am sending in an application to H.Q. Australian Corps to be allowed to revert to the rank of Najor and be given either second in command or Company Commander in a Nachine Gun Battallon. I have made a close study of up-to-date methods in machine gunnery. Will you speak for me to General Monash: General Moone has written to General Monash concerning my work in England. If you are prepared to speak for me, do so at once, before I am sent overseas. I can assure you it is not my fault that I was in England so long. 1 gladly took a battalion in the 6th Divi- sion as offering an immediate command of a fighting unit which I could not hope for by return to my old regiment. Its break-up left me stranded through no fault of my own at all. 1 recog- nize the impossibility of a Brigadier taking me as a C.O. with the large number of capable officers to whom he owes, recognition. Hence my willingness to revert. I do hope you will be able to help me to continue my service longer. Act for me at once if you can see your way clear to do so at all.
-2- Hearty congratulations on your splendid success, and best wishes. Yours sincerely, D Deeber Hal Dear General I know very little of Deable as a military man, Hecame away with L.H., was very ill in Wandswath in late 15 and Funderstand, has been in England ever since - just at Park House In view of the then 69th Br. present surplus of tried officers Im afraid his chances of employment- are not very eosy but I send his letter for your consideration. Yours ffy Wo Camsay HLricoel
4/4/16 Brg. Sen Sandrlands 104 Bgde 1700 mall 57 Lt Col lag hape &60 Capt Dogh 60 tron at Hamelet 61 cron at Corbic.
CH. SP4 Reply to N. M. 13. 4 14th Pe. my All Astillery & Infantry observeds are watching 4 front of your left flank for machine gun & astillery targets 1012 BM 4/8/18


ON HIS MAJESTY’S SECRET SERVICE.
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To
Major - General Sir John Monash K.C.B.
Comm 3rd Australian Division.
Australian Corps. 
20

P.T.O.                          
By DRLS
Dalkeith Lt
ADC IV Army.
B.   April 1918
                           

 

This address was written by the Earl of Dalkeith, who
is a Lieutenant, & A.D.C. to General Sir H Rawlinson Bt
Commander of the IV Army.
D.R.L.S = "Despatch Rider letter Service"
 

 

9 Bde 3/4/18
35th Bn in line from P28 - V2. All 4 Coys in the

line supplying their own supports.
33 Bn in reserve E of Villers Bretonneux
34 & 36 Bn digging switch line O34 D- U3 A & B
U2 A & B U1D & C.
No M.G's in the line
on right 18th Div - 55 Bde
on left 1st Cav Div
French may relieve them tonight, at present the
French come up as far as Hangard
Strength of Bn   33      34      35     36
                              500    700  800  800
                            

 

D.M.T.S.
 A.I.F.

D. A. G.,

A. I. F.,

Instructions have been received from the D. Of T.
(see copy of “A”) and from D.D.S.& T Second Army (copy "B")
both attached, that Lorries of certain makes in Divisional
Supply Columns, Ammunition Sub Parks etc, are to be exchanged
for lorries of other makes in Siege Battery Columns.
There will in some cases be a very considerable
difference in the values of these lorries, not only present
values, but original value.

I consulted the D.D.S.& T Second Army  in reference
to this matter, showing him that, as the Australian Government
were charged the first cot of these vehicles, there would be
a considerable amount of book-keeping and adjustment to be
made if these instructions were made to apply to Australian
Units.

Take for instance Peerless Lorries, of which make
there is a considerable number in the Australian Units, the
new value of which is from £1,000 to £1100, whereas the
Swiss Berner, which might have to be taken in exchange, are
only worth, now, from £600 to £700.

It will be seen at a glance that the Australian
Government, having been charged at first cost, for Peerless
Lorries, and then exchanging them for Swiss Berner Lorries,
would have to be credited with the difference in values of the
two makes, without taking into consideration the state of the
vehicles at the  time of exchange.

The D.D.S.& T told me at first, to use my own
discretion in exchanging these vehicles, hence the dealy in 
bringing this matter before you.

As however G.H.G. . are pressing for all exchanges
to be effected, he now asks that the matter may be put up for
a ruling.

There is also the matter of replacements.
As the Australian Government are charged the first
cost, and then pay by capitation for upkeep, either a make of
vehicle of equal value should be given, or an adjustment will
have to be made at the finish, as if for instance the first
charge is for a Vauxhall car, and at the end, the Australian
Government is 1eft with a Ford Car, it will be seen that a
considerable loss has been sustained.

Will you please put this matter up, so that a
ruling may be obtained as to:-
1. Are the instructions contained in the two

attached letter to be applied to Australian Units.

2. Should the makes of Cars, or other vehicles, sent

to Australian Units as replacements, be approximately

the same value as the makes originally supplied by, 

or charged to the Australian Government

[[MW Winbricks?]]

Lieut-Colonel.

D.M.T.S..A.T.S.

4/11/17
 

 

D.D.S.& T.

Second Army.

4951/1.

("B")

S.H.T.O.,

1st Anzac.

Reference my No. 4951/1 dated 24/8/17.

As Siege Battery Ammunition Columns move from one

formation to another it will at present be found that the scheme 

of exchange laid down therein has not been complied with, and as

it it necessary that this should be completed at once, will you

please give immediate attention to the matter.

It is immaterial whether the exchanges are made

with Divisional supply Columns, or Ammunition Sub Parks, and

although every endeavor it to be made to keep these Units

homogeneous, the giving of two makes to a Divisional Supply

Column must be considered rather than abandoning of a

scheme which would entail this.

Commerlorries are now to be included in the withdrawals

from Siege Battery Ammunition Columns.

Please forward a report to this Office by 20th

inst. stating details:-
 1. Exchanges that can be carrier out in the Corps.

2. Exchanges still necessary in the Corps, but unable

to be carried out.

 

(signed) R.SHelton.

Major D.A.D.T.

for D.D.S.& T., Second Army.

Headquarters.

Second Army.

15/9/17

 


 D.D.S.& T.,

Second Army.

4951/1.

("A")

S.H.T.O.,

1st Anzac.

Instructions have been received from the Director

of Transport that the number of types of lorries with Siege

Batteries is to be reduced.

It will be seen that this will in every way

facilitate the working of Crops Siege Parks and will greatly

lend to reduced the stock of Spare Parts necessary to be kept

by Siege Park Workshops.

The following makes are to be withdrawn from

Siege Battery Ammunition Columns as soon as opportunity arises,

and replaced by other lorries of standard makes in the Army

Halley. Pagefield.
Hallford. Saurer.
Kelly. Swiss Berner
Packard. Wolsley.

So far as can be seen, lorries with Siege Battery

Ammunition Columns being sent overseas, will in future be

confined to the following makes:-

Albion. Maudsley.
A.S.C. & Dainier. Peerless.
Karrier. Thornycroft.
Locomobile (or Riker)  

Commer, Dennis and Pierce Attow lorries, will in 

all probability not be sent overseas with Siege Battery Ammunition 

Columns in future, but where these at present exist, no

action in regard to carrying out exchanges need be taken at

present.

For your information and action as occasion

arises.

All exchanges made, should be reported to this

Office


(signed) A.PHELPS. Colonel.

D.D.S.& T. Second Army.

Headquarters.

Second Army.

23/8/17.

 

Administrative H. Qrs.
LONDON.
April 3rd, 1918.
Brig. General W. R. McNicoll, C.M.G., D.S.O.


Dear General,
May I presume on our old friendship to ask your
good offices for me?

As you know, I was in command of the 69th Bn. of the
6th Division. This unit was disbanded some months ago and I
was attached to the Fourth Division in France, but my seniority
stood in the way of my absorption and I have now probably to
return to Australia. To-day, however, I am sending in an
application to H.Q. Australian Corps to be allowed to revert
to the rank of Major and be given either second in command or
Company Commander in a Machine Gun Battalion. I have made a
close study of up-to-date methods in machine gunnery. Will
you speak for me to General Monash? General Moore has
written to General Monash concerning my work in England. If
you are prepared to speak for me, do so at once, before I am
sent overseas.

I can assure you it is not my fault that I was in
England so long. I gladly took a battalion in the 6th Division 

as offering an immediate command of a fighting unit which I
could not hope for by return to my old regiment. Its break-up
left me stranded through no fault of my own at all. I recognize 

the impossibility of a Brigadier taking me as a C.O. with the
large number of capable officers to whom he owes recognition.
Hence my willingness to revert. I do hope you will be able to
help me to continue my service longer. Act for me at once if
you can see your way clear to do so at all.
 

 

-2-
Hearty congratulations on your splendid success,
and best wishes.
Yours sincerely,
A.V. Deeble 

[[Lral?]]

 

Dear General
I know very little of Deeble
as a military man, He came
away with L.H., was very ill
in Wandsworth in late 15 and,
I understand, has been in England
ever since - just at Park House
then 69th Br. In view of the
present surplus of tried officers I'm
afraid his chances of employment-
are not very cozy but I send his
letter for your consideration.
Yours [[truly?]]
 

W Ramsey McNicoll
 

 

4/4/18
Brig - Gen Sandilands 
104th Bgde
1700 in all
57th - 60th - Lt Col. Lagh [[Lafey?]] - 57th

Capt Doyle 60th
59th Cross at Hamelet

60th Cross at Corbie

 

CHJ94
Reply to B. M. 134
14th Div.
All ^my Artillery & Infantry observers
are watching your the front of your left
flank for machine gun & artillery targets
10.12 AM
4/4/18
 

 
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