General Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 17, 11 February - 18 March 1918, Part 8

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Comunt Chraen me by tin) 19-218 Dear Colonel, & I wanted to see you before I went on leave however thi Ill do to show which way the wind blows. Rosenthal hadn't hit here 5 munts last night before you were being howled down and as hes easily led, as I found out, for gawds sake look out. As for our friend the following are a few of his remarks which I took a note of at the time 11 Jess doesht know his got or thallements of staff work (2) Lamble will get all the Rudos for B.M.S in Diysn as himself & Vasey are both R.M.C. (3) Jess made a failure with his Bn & should not be G1 (4) This Dion. is a second rate show, I2 doesn't know whats going on GI word tell him (5) Whatever one puts up to the A& J Staff is turned down, it is an inguitin show (6) He was going to apply direct to Corps and apologize to Corps for dving so, but Drn would not help him in any way (1c putting raiding partyy up) and have no guty to give a decision. Herhaps you can see from this what a boshter bloke yours up against down under. He has stated he was an onteast at R.M.C. and is sore in consequence hence the try to Danin me. He was a failure as S.C to 3e Inf. Bde himself and I know Maclagen was tlamn glad to get rid of him, & since he's been at Corps
a large swollen nut is the result The scheme is this Ffancy. His playing a lone hand absolutely with the mythical hrope of Corps backing him; if he managed to get you moved, means a new G1 & then a new G2 Drn. Connelly is also in his road and his got him in the gun too, Iwarned him today, he wants that G2 yob and hed apset the A.I.T. to do it. Rotter though he is and though he has played the dirty on me I wouldn't like to see him sent back to Aus. but I would like to see him well and truly sat on. As to his remarks about the A & I people its utter balls and I can speak for the remainder of the 1st Class Serving the number of pals weve got are numerous, Seck, Whitham, Brand, Yourself, Weeck its Bruggy, JR Lorsyth, ourly Williams. Barny Somerville pou my sould he's mad
-26/2/18 Divisional Conference of C.D.S. SEORET. TRIRD AUSTRALLAN DIYISION. A.H. Divisional Headquarters; 19th. February, 1918. Mor Staff. A.d. Staff. TEUAN C. Ro.40 C. R. E. 3rd. Aust. Divanl. Signal Cey. Nos.8.43. 157.) 9th. Aust. Inf. Ide. 10th. Aust. Inf. Bde. 11th. Aust. Inf. Bde. 3rd. Aust. Meneer En. D. M. G. 0. 23rd. Aust. M. G. Gey. Aust horps (for inf-). A Conference of Senior Officers of the Infantry of the Division will be held at Divisional Headquarters (RAVELSBERG) on Tuesday, February 26th. commencing at 10-30 a.m. The object of the Conference is to discuss questions of organiza- tion, recorganisation, tacties, and training of current importance, in relation to the probable employment of the Division in the near future. The fellowing officers will attend viz:- C.R.A. and B.M.R.A., Brigade Commanders, Brigade Majors, Commanding Officers of Infantry and Pioneer Battalions and Machine Gun Companies, G.S.O. I., 4.d. 8 Q.M.G., C. R. E., O.C., Third Divisional Signal Cey. and D.M.6.0.- Commanders in the Line will ensure that reapensible officers are left in centrel while they are themselves absent from their stations. The Conference will assemble at 10.30 a.m., and will centinue after an adjournment for lunch, breaking up at or about 4.0 pom. Officers attending will make their own arrangements far a haversack Tea and Coffee will be provided by Divisienal Headquarters luneh. Messes. Officers will be prepared to bring forward for discussion any matters covered by the accpe of the Conference as defined in para.2. The D. A.Q.M.G. will arrange for motor ears to collect officers From and to return them to the more distant points, and will issue a time-table for the tour of each ear. 4for Hent.-Colonel. General Staff. Lot
Copy-22/2/1318-FW. S ECR F S. C. 23/58. C. 47/262 Australian Corps 21st. February, 1918. Ist Australian Division. 2nd Australian Division, 3rd Australian Division. 4th Australian Division 5th Australian Division. G.O.C., R.A., B. G., H.A., A R T I L L E R F -wamDD The corps commander intends at the next Divisional Commanders Conference to discuss amongst others the following artillery subjects :- Disposition of artillery in depth. Principles of defensive employment of artillery. Machine gun barrages in substitution of or supplemental to artillery barrages. Mobile sections and batteries. 5. Forward and anti-tank guns. 6. Reinforcing artillery. 7. Co-operation of heavy artillery. (Siened) C. B. B. WHITE. Brigadier-General General Staff, Copy for Goe Australian Corps. and CRH
De 22/2/18 9th Bdy Raid t Boigndi fems anoarar ukimpre Arty. An Action by legs fencs& 2 e o of w SSis p fo petical armngement 10 Harrative. the Prisoner the trancfor o Paider t Intelligeee, photos& places nt Heavey Cilictery wt lyus tiet tis thenous to Dencolition Store. Same of Orders 26. an raidig stores. tdte avar as 22 Commundention Fir Ruz amtinal aference. 2H. A. J.O.C. Rait Bundwein Lienon 29 Cat H Dricade if yn 25 Actio by p pyeO
Enemy M.G. At mve blant Frrot wise cutting AG. activity, & keeping wir open keeping wise ofec. Banfclose tospedon. Dummy Attgett a inadvsable Except by Dr Dev Here- in front of second him Bombs thropped night before, Kndanuas. 22/2/18 Icams Boo all o Brs all Voluntees Hlol. Milne in conmand. Right 33 735 Capt. Tollis Left 34 & 36 Capt Bushell. Arty. Action on Enevry tranches Spinering Mills & Fastward.
40 2 3 24/2 He42 XX Secret Toolosap 3 Hust Div. Namelon Offensive Mim Pean for the Captire of Hamneton ------- - A. General Considerations. W rean for an offensivg operation this f is a directed against Narneton, with the object of creating a diversion from an enemy of strength fom an enemy attack on another past Cikely to bellow of the Army Front, and of securing the moral effect ofohe segn a locality which has figured largely in official communiques. The plan is provisional in the sense that m details will require finad reconnanances & fuller consideration after mo it a closer study of Acroplane Photographs have been made. proposed On attacked map , Wameton No 1, the final objective io sheron by the brown line a bed.- The small triangle boundd bying between (and including the Mound) the line Ed and the junction of the rivero Douve & syo will be mopped, garriow it up! in the course of the operation, but it is not proposed to a inthe an territory to be garrisoned, except by a strong observation anea post on the pound The tntage to be attacked is $2000 yards, the maxemum depth of advance is 1300 yards.- The length of new Front line to be defended (1.c. line A bed) is 1700 yards In addition there will be a de new defensive river line of $1400 yards. In view of the g the extent of the operation, as shown by these finers, the book & the character of the terrain, known to contain much underground accomodation to this tark will require C Battations - the most convenient orgaingation th to attask will therefore be 2 Ifantty Brigades one on each side of the ower Douve, Each Brigade employing LWittat three Battalions on the Assault, and & one, we
E. The bulk of the resistance to be expected is in the enemy Front system of prpsed defence (Font & support line), white the most difficult mopping up will ossut in the ruins of the village. - A total penetration of B00 yards is considered to be too much tor a single tack. The Battation therefore involves t subdivision into two areas providing a first objective & a final objective.- The proposed first objective is the green line bghe, at which line the assanet will halt for 30 min- a ntes to permit of the Capprogging of the battalions allotted to the second objective, & the mopping up of the fint obfection. 7. For the first objective, there will be two Battations in line for each Brigade; and to the second objective one Battalion of each Brigade. Lero hour. In view of the absence of food approaches prepared 6 anumbly Centable positions) approach March & menchen the fassembly must take place in my darkness. - The attack also very must therefore be delivered, you darkness, so not long before dawn, the On the other hand, the mopping up of Harneton ruins in the darkness would involve selious ricks, & should therefore be done mte after day. break. - I propose therefore that Less hour should be 2 hours before the hour of Tunrise on the day of the attack. This will allow of the following time table:- Darkness available for the approach march from one hous after sunsit on the preceding day to 3 hours before sumise on day of attack, (thus allowing all troops to be in position Ihous before Lers) about 8 houss. Assauet begins at Lers o 2 hows before sumise. lat Suo t 30 minutes 1.C. 1/½ before sinnise Green line is reached (From Lelo & 30 h dero & 60 minutes J.l Halt at the green line for 30 minutes till break. day at I hour before sumise. Brownlice Final objective reached at about Lew H0Dminutes or gutupton sentoce 20 minutes before simrise
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2- 79 43 38 160
3- 86 38 37 161
4- 60 62 34 156
5- 80 10 71 161

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(original shown me by Jess)  19-2-18
Dear Colonel,
I wanted to see you before I went
on leave however this'll do to show which
way the wind blows Rosenthal hadn't hit
here 5 mints last night before you were being
howled down and a he's easily led, as I found 
out, for gawd's sake look out. As for our friend
the following are a few of his remarks which I
took a note of at the time (1) Jess doesn't know
his job or the elements of staff work (2) Lamble
will get all the kudos for B.M's in Divsn as
himself & Vasey are both R.M.C. (3) Jess made a 
failure with his Bn & should not be G1
(4) This Divn. is a second rate show, G2 doesn't
know what's going on G1 won't tell him.
(5) Whatever one puts up to the A & I Staff
is turned down, it is an iniquitous show
(6) He was going to apply direct to Corps and
apologize to Corps for doing so, but Divn. would
not help him inn any way (i.e putting raiding party
up) and have no gutz to give a decision.
Perhaps you can see from this what a
boshter bloke you're up against down under. 
He has stated he was an outcast at R.M.C.
and is sore in consequence hence they try to Damn me. 
He was a failure as S.C to 3rd Inf. Bde himself
and I know Maclagen was damn glad to
get rid of him, & since he's been at Corps, 

 

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a large swollen nut is the result.
The scheme is this I fancy. He's playing
a lone hand absolutely with the mythical
hope of Corps backing him; if he managed
to get you moved, means a new G1 & then
a new G2 Divn. Connelly is also in his
road and he's got him in the gun too,
I warned him today; he wants that G2 job
and he'd expect the A.I.F. to do it. 
Rotten though he is and though he has
played the dirty on me, I wouldn't like to
see him sent back to Aus. but I would 
like to see him well and truly sat on.
As to his remarks about the A & I
people it's utter balls and I can speak
for the remainder of the 1st Class serving, 
the number of pals we've got are numerous,
Peck, Whitham, Brand, Yourself, Wieck,
Bruggy, JK Forsyth, Curly Willliams ^etc
Barry Somerville from my soul he's mad.  

 

Divisional Conference of C.O's. - 26/2/18
A.H.   THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.   S E C R E T.

Divisional Headquarters,
19th. February, 1918.
HEADQUARTERS
No S.G.43 / 57.
THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION
"G" Staff.
"A.Q." Staff.
C. R. A.
C. R. E.
3rd. Aust. Divsnl. Signal Coy.
9th. Aust. Inf. Bde.
10th. Aust. Inf. Bde.
11th. Aust. Inf. Bde.
3rd. Aust. Pioneer Bn.
D. M. G. O.
23rd. Aust. M. G. Coy.
Aust. Corps (for inf).
1.  A Conference of Senior Officers of the Infantry of the Division
will be held at Divisional Headquarters (RAVELSBERG) on Tuesday,
February 26th. commencing at 10.30 a.m.
2.  The object of the Conference is to discuss questions of organization,
re-organization, tactics, and training of current importance,
in relation to the probable employment of the Division in the near
future. -
3.  The following officers will attend viz:- C.R.A. and B.M.R.A.,
Brigade Commanders, Brigade Majors, Commanding Officers of Infantry
and Pioneer Battalions and Machine Gun Companies, G.S.O.I., A.A. &
Q.M.G., C. R. E., O.C., Third Divisional Signal Coy. and D.M.G.O. -
4.  Commanders in the Line will ensure that responsible officers are
left in control while they are themselves absent from their stations. -
5.  The Conference will assemble at 10.30 a.m., and will continue
after an adjournment for lunch, breaking up at or about 4.0 p.m. -
Officers attending will make their own arrangements for a haversack
lunch.  Tea and Coffee will be provided by Divisional Headquarters
Messes. -
6.  Officers will be prepared to bring forward for discussion any
matters covered by the scope of the Conference as defined in para.2.
7.  The D.A.Q.M.G. will arrange for motor cars to collect officers
from and to return them to the more distant points, and will issue
a time-table for the tour of each car. 
CH.Jess
Lieut.-Colonel.
General Staff.
GOC 

 

Copy-22/2/1918-PWP.  
S E C R E T.
S .G. 43/58.
G.47/162.
Australian Corps,
21st. February, 1918.
1st Australian Division.
2nd Australian Division.
3rd Australian Division.
4th Australian Division.
5th Australian Division.
G.O.C., R.A.,
B.G., H.A.,
A R T I L L E R Y
The corps commander intends at the next Divisional
Commanders Conference to discuss amongst others the following
artillery subjects :-
1.  Disposition of artillery in depth.
2.  Principles of defensive employment of artillery.
3.  Machine gun barrages in substitution of or
supplemental to artillery barrages.
4.  Mobile sections and batteries.
5.  Forward and anti-tank guns.
6.  Reinforcing artillery.
7.  Co-operation of heavy artillery.
(Signed) C. B. B. WHITE.
Brigadier-General
General Staff.
Australian Corps.
Copy for GOC
" sent CRA 

 

22/2/18


9th Bde. Raid


1. Brigadiers' Plans
2. Our Arty.
3. Reinforcing Arty.
4. Action by left flank Div
5. M.G. Action. -
6. L.T.M. Action. -
7. L.T.M. smoke 
[*R. n Narrative
Speed
completeness.*]
8. Wire Cutting 
9. Medical Arrangements. -
10. Narrative.
11. Prisoners. 
12. Transport of Raiders. 
13. Intelligence, photos & plans. 
14. Heavy Artillery. -
15. Gas shed for Heavies. -
16 Demolition Stores. -
17. Issue of Orders. -   26. All raiding Stores. 1 
18. Drill. 
19. Zero Hour 
20. Communications - Powr Buzzer. 
21. Final Conference. 
22. H.Q. of O.C. Raid. 
23. Divisional Liaison. 
24. Car for Brigadier if required. 
25. Action by 11th Bde. 

 

22/2/18

Enemy M.G. at river flank. Teams from all 4 Bns all Volunteers
Prior wire Cutting. Lt Col. Milne in command.
M.G. activity 1 & Keeping wire open. Right 33 & 35 Capt. Tollis
Keeping wire open. Left 34 & 36 Capt Bushell.
2 Bangalore Torpedoes. - Arty.
Dummy Attack - inadvisable. Action on enemy trenches Spinning Mills
except by 5th Div.  & Eastward.
Wire - in front of Second Line.  
Bombs dropped night before,  
very dangerous. -  
 

[*4 Copies
Foolscap).*]
Secret
Secret  22/2/18
3 Aust Div.
Warneton Offensive
Provisional Plan for the Capture of Warneton
A. General Considerations.
1.  This following is a provisional plan for an offensive operation
directed against Warneton, with the objects of creating a diversion
from an enemy of strength from an enemy attack on another part
of the Army front, and of securing the moral effect of ^likely to follow the seizure ^by us of
a locality which has figured xx largely in official communiqués.
2.  The plan is provisional in the sense that many details will require
fuller consideration after recommendations fuller final reconnaissances &
a closer study of the Aeroplane Photographs have been made. -
3.  On attached map xxxxx, "Warneton No 1", the ^proposed final objective is shown by
the brown line a b c d . - The small triangle bounded lying between
the line c d and the junction of the rivers Douve & Lys ^and including The Mound, will be "mopped
up" in the course of the operation, but it is not proposed to include the garrison it
area in the new territory to be garrisoned, except by a strong observation
post on ^or near The Mound. -
4.  The maximum frontage to be attacked is 2000 yards, the maximum
depth of advance is 1300 yards . - The length of new front line to be
defended (i.e. line a b c d) is 1700 yards.  In addition there will be a
new defensive river line ^d e f of 1400 yards.
5.  In view of these frontages the extent of the operation, as shown by these figures,
the task & the character of the terrain, - Known to contain much underground
accomodation - this task will require 6 Battalions. - The most
convenient organization for the attack will therefore b 2 Infantry
Brigades, - one on each side of the river Douve, - each Brigade employing
three Battalions in the Assault, and ^holding one ^Battalion in Reserve. -

 

6.  The bulk of the resistance to be expected is in the enemy
front system of proposed defence (front & support line); while the most
difficult mopping up will occur in the ruins of the village. - A total
penetration of 1300 yards is considered to be too much for a single
Battalion task. - The task plan therefore involves a subdivision into two areas
providing a first objective & a final objective. - The proposed first objective
is the green line b g h e, at which line the assault will halt for 30 minutes
to permit of the xxxxxx mopping up of the first objective. & the 'leapfrogging" of the battalions allotted to the second
objective, &
7.  For the first objective, there will be two Battalions in line for each Brigade;
and for the second objective one Battalion of each Brigade. -
8.  Zero hour.  In view of the absence of good approaches & good prepared assembly
trenches ^suitable positions, the ^approach march & assembly must take place in the darkness. - The attack
must therefore be delivered, if ^also in darkness, some not ^very long before dawn. -
On the other hand, the mopping up of ^the Warneton ruins in the darkness
would involve serious risks; & should therefore be done in the after 
daybreak. - I propose therefore that Zero hour should be 2 hours before
^the hour of Sunrise on the day of the attack. -
This will allow of the following time-table :-
Darkness available for the approach march ^is from
sunset one hour after sunset on the preceding
day to 3 hours before sunrise on day of
attack, (thus allowing all troops to be in position
1 hour before Zero) - about  8 hours.
Assault begins at Zero xxx 4 i.e 2 hours before sunrise.
Green line is reached in ^at Zero. + 30 minutes i.e. 1½ before sunrise
Halt at the green line for 30 minutes ^from Zero + 30 till Zero + 60 minutes i.e till break of
day at 1 hour before sunrise.
Brown line
Final objective reached at about Zero + 100 minutes
or just after sunrise 20 minutes before
sunrise. -

 



 

 

 

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