General Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 17, 1 November 1917 - 13 January 1918, Part 19

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MIRD AUSYRAELAN DIYISION. 211/2918. NAITING LISL-STATY TRAINERS. awweretwe n DIYESIONAL READEYARTERS. 3rd Pion. Btn. Attending Course &Qr Major. W. W. BERRY. 36th Battalion. 7Qr Branch. Lieut. S. IRNIN. N I L. 3rd AUSE. DIY- ARTLLLERY. 2th AUST- IYFANTRY BDY. 35th Battalion. Brigade Major. Captain S. W. RAWKINS, Staff Captain. Captain J.G. PALLRSON, (M) d0. d0. do. Captain A. E. YATES. 10th AUST. INTANTRY BRICADE. 38th Battalion. Staff Captain. Lient. C. C. GALE. Captain A. J. MURRAY, (MC )39th Bat talion. Brigade Major or Staff Captain. Lieut. F.R.B. MARTIN, (M)38th Battalion. Brigade Major. 11th AUST. INTAYTRY BRIGADE. Brigade Major. Captain S. E. TOLLEY. 43rd Battalion. Lieut. W. G. HARRINGTON. 43rd Battalion. Staff Captain. Divisional Headquarters, 9th January, 1918.- 88 (R. M).- 600
THIRD AUSTRALLAN DIYISION. Divisional Headquarters 9th. January, 1918. K C. R. A. C. R. E. 3rd. Aust. Divnl. Signal Coy. 9.JAN 1918 9th. Aust. Inf. Bde. 477274 Inf. Bde. 10th. Aust. MOISMIN 11th. Aust. Inf. Bde. 3rd. Aust. Pioneer Bn. D. M. 6. 0. A. D. M. S. D. A. D. V. S. 3rd. Aust. Divnl. Train. D. A. D. 0. S. Since the Circular which I issued on the 3rd. instant upon the general subject of saluting and, in particular, of salnting General Officers in motor ears flying flags which indicate their status, I regret to say that I have noticed no marked improvement in this respect. I had an opportunity yesterday of observing for myself to what extent these instructions had received attention, as 1 travelled practically for the whole day in company with the Corps Commander in his ear flying the Australian Ensign in the districts of MERRIS, OUTTERSTEENE, BALLLRUL, LOCRE, NEUVE EALISE, DRANOUTRE and NKEPPN. - It was the exception for any officer or soldier of this Division to take the slightest notice of the ear, although it was an open ear travelling slowly, owing to the bad state of the roads, and the occupants were plainly visible. - In numerous instances, groups of men of this Division merely stared at the ear without either coming to attention or giving any sign of paying the alightest respect to the Corps Commander or myself. - In only one instance out of many did the officer or N.C.O. of formed bodies of troops, whom we passed on the road, make the alightest attempt to acknowledge the presence of the Corps Commander, either by calling his party to attention or by himself salnting. It would appear from the above, that any steps, which may have been taken by Commanders as the result of my previous memorandum of January 3rd., have proved quite ineffective, and my own inpression is that any orders, which may have been issued, pave not in fact reached the large majority of the personnel. - I am not prepared to believe that many men of the Division would wilfully or knowingly disobey any instructions they may have received in the matter, and I think that the indifference shown by them is due entirely to ignorance of what is expected of them. If the reputation of this Division as a disciplined and soldierly formation is not to be entirely ruined, it has become Inoumbent upon every Commander to take very prompt and very energetie steps to make certain that my and his orders in respect of the matters pointed out, as well as in respect of other aspects of the soldierly bearing of the personnel in regard to dress, tidyness, absence of slouching, etc., etc., are properly transmitted to the most junior personnel, and that measures are taken to see that they are being obeyed. JohnMonash Major-General. Commanding Third Australian Division.
i 1000 Army Form C. aiaI Ar Form (in pads of roo) -MESSAGES AND SIGNALS. No. of Message FOrlS/CAATE Pele neng n nenen f t Tce d Oner peperice homsons This message is on ale of; Reed. At.M. to n e mn e nmnf Sent DallMaM n n n n RbnvessesoumIl shake PDlmmmmmu f Tomnmmm o By Sirtite M Fristt ORENY ByMmm THYS 7DIYII T0 - Day Of Monty TATESGBMR aaa 101/ 42 HSC + Instruct VFAAL heave 1031 Fana twelf Shall Londer car Dend Ponlagne do him that an eNRSH From 116 it S Place Time 9. Canr I he above may be forwarded as now corrected. not Jackson ooncommanning on mn hn tmn n ong oe inesumm on Censor. Soe af mran a mown anod to wirde too This line should be crased if not required. 38) Wi. WigM Mibay 130000 Pads 57 D.D. & L. ElIST
DIVISION THIRD AUSTRALLAN CMEEME 10/1/18 Snbmitted by Mam Veckers PA.D.M.S & appt by me for HEADEUARTERS 8th January, 1918 pone by H The following instructions is forwarded regarding the issue of RUM:- 1. It will be drawn through the Field Ambulance and will be kept at the Regimental Aid Post under charge of the Medical Officer. 2. The Medical Officer will be informed of all parties proceeding on difficult or exhausting work or duties which may keep them for a long time standing or working in cold conditions, so that he may have an opportunity of deciding in the case of every individual man in the Unit, whether or not he should have an issue of alcohol, and while not seeking for opportunities for dispensing it he should see that no man is denied it who would benefit by it. At the same time he should keep in mind the fact that hot coffee, cocoa, Oxo, &c. are more suitable under certain conditions. Rum is only to be issued after the period of duty is finished, and the issue is to be closely checked by the Medical Officer. The Medical Officer will forward to this Office by 1 p.m. Friday each week a return shewing the amount of Rum issued and the number of men to whom it was issued during the week. WYIRNB
10/1/18 Katorn Compelition Points for this Division. S Best platovor in a Company - determined by direct competition of the four platoons of the Company – to be carlied out under Suprovision of the Brs staff. - Cotal marks gamed by each of the four plations to be recorded. platoors in a Battalion – determined by direct Competition between . Bent the four plations (irrespective of the Company to which they belong which have gained the highest marks in the Stage 1 – Provided that no plation will be allowed to compete in Stage 2 unless the Company to which it belongs has gamed a total of 2570 (3) of the maxirum marks in Stage 1.- If any plation is disqualified on this account, the plation next in order of merit (within the Battation) which does comply with this condition is to be allrawed to compete in Stage 2. to be Carriel out under supervision of Brigale staff. Se Best platoons in a Brigale – determined by divect competition between 3r the foud platoons (inrespective of the Bettalion to which they belong) which have gained the highest marks for Stages 1 & 2 combined.- Provided that no plation will be allowed to compete in Stage 3 undess the Battalion to which it belong has pained a tobal of 257 of the Maximan marks in Stage [& 2 combined. - To be carried out under superosion of Divisional Staff. - Stage Bist plation in the Division, - determined by direct competition between the thre plations who are first in each Bripale in Stage 3 taken tllone. - To be sarried out under the superision of Divisional Staff with a G.S.O.II of Coops as referea.-
Prizes Silver Medal to each member For Stage 4. For Stage Bronze Medal to each member of the two Brigade Teams which do not win the Silver Medal. Each member of all 3 Brigade Feams (except officers) to receive a money prige of 10/- From Dursional Funds 1.C.3 Fennn & 28 2 84 @14.3 £42 For Stage 2. Money prize of 10/- per head for each member (except office) of the winning Br team, 1.c.714 per Battalion, out of Battation Funds ta Stage I. No prizes, Pivisional Demonstration Flatoon not elipible to compete Pronear Battalion, if competing, will be subject to all the same Conditions as the Infantry, & will be affiliated, to this purpose to 11th Brigade
29.835 357 300 (orsso) 2807 2152807 WOR REFERENCE TIKINE MOUND SAND BAG WICARDDOARD DISC. TARSET
EHSST HII SAMEETFION REPRESENTINE BANEE FOR FLOTOON DIASEHN EACH SECTION EEATOON WTAPSETS Ort FOR - RIGHT or 81013 X3 SECTIONS J TRRSET TARSET --- ---- TOTAL TRONTAEE RESUIRES NOT LESS THAN Eoyds MOT NEARER THAN 200 15yds (Row Of SANDBAES COHE FOR EHEHRIFLEMAN) WITH CIREVIAR CARDRORRS FT DISE. MCHANOTHER BOW OF SANDBRSS WITH DISES 30t3SO SECOND RANCE 5igh LANOTHER ROW OF SADPAPS/OE EA RfIEIn/ WITH FCRCvR CDP DISE 50 yd RLRPNNS29 FCTION ON C XII rr
1 DIVISION. TLIRD MSTRALLAN 7ar 106/270. m -- Divisional Readquarters 10th Jamary, 1918.- ADMINISTRATIVE INSTHUCTION No. 25. - - R V M. mmmDL 1. Hum will be issued by the S. S. C., on demand to Meld Anbul- ances. Tho Regimental Rodical Officer will indont on the nearest Field Apbulance for necessary supplios, which will bo kept at his Legimental Aid Post. The Unit will arrange for the nocessary transgort. 2. The Medical Officer will be kept informd by 0.0's. Units of all parties proceeding on difficult or exhausting work, or duties which may keop thom for a long time standing or working in cold corditions, so that he may have an opportunity of deviding in the caso of every InLivzdual man in the unit, whether or not he should have an issue of alochol, and whilo not seoking for opportunities for dissensing it, he should see that no man is denied it who would benefit by it. it the same tine he should keep in mind the fact that bot coffoe, COCOa, oxo, etc., are more suitable under cortain conditions. Run is only to bo issuod after the period of daty is finisted; and the issue is to be closely checked by the Medical Officer. Ja ck 3or 2c6.6 ^ Tient Colonel. L.d. & Q.M.Go, 3rd. ArstraLan Division. (R.B. J(RaM) A0l
2. TFIRD SUERSELAN DIYISTON. Divisional Headquarters 11th. Jenuary, 1917. TUTF ICLNCL COUMVE. (OTTIORS). LNELEICENCE- LTHIY BRIGADE - NTLLS OF PRIGADY INT TON OTOE 1. Outline of work of Erigade IntellIgence Officer. (a) Organization of System within Brigede. (b) Direction, supervision and co-ordination of several br-nches. including Brigade 0.1s. (o) Training of personnel. (a) Distribution of Information. - Maps, etc. (e) Collection of in ormation - formation of deductions. distribution to Artillery Group, Battalions, Machine Cun Coy., etc., of informatin and deuctions - furnishing Divic ion with concise Brigad: report. Teking over and Exgenization of ner Pront. Griticisn of Esport. EuDpIttOA. Gensral. 1. The Brigads Intellijenoe Officer should ensure that all those under him are const ntay given the fullest inform- ation concerning points which affect them. They will then be in a position to give him useful information in return. 20 He should see that his system is a live one. 3. He should make a constant study of his Brigade front, and will set tasks, varying work as much as possible. 40 He should frequently visit every branch of his cystem and discuss the situation with those on the spot, with the Idea of Tindin; out where the system can be improved, where there are any difficulties, and where he can help. ------- 0

THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.
WAITING LIST - STAFF- TRAINEES. 9/1/1918.-
DIVISIONAL HEADQUARTERS:
Major. W. W. BERRY. 3rd Pion. Btn. Attending Course "Q".
Lieut. S. IRWIN. 36th Battalion. "Q" Branch.
3rd AUST. DIV. ARTILLERY:  N I L.
9th AUST: INFANTRY BDE:
Captain S. W. HAWKINS, 35th Battalion. Brigade Major.
Captain J.G. PATERSON, (MC)    do.           Staff Captain.
Captain A. E. YATES.                      do.                  do.
10th AUST: INFANTRY BRIGADE:
Lieut. C.C. GALE. 38th Battalion. Staff Captain.
Captain A. J. MURRAY, (MC )39th Battalion. Brigade Major or
Staff Captain.
Lieut. F.R.B. MARTIN, (MC )38th Battalion. Brigade Major.
11th AUST: INFANTRY BRIGADE:
Captain S. E. TOLLEY. 43rd Battalion. Brigade Major.
Lieut. W. G. HARRINGTON. 43rd Battalion. Staff Captain.
Divisional Headquarters,
9th January, 1918.-
(R. M).-
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THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.
Divisional Headquarters
9th. January, 1918.
Q47/174
C.R.A
C. R. E.
3rd. Aust. Divnl. Signal Coy.
9th Aust. Inf Bde.
10th Aust. Inf. Bde.
11th Aust Inf Bde.

 3rd. Aust. Pioneer Bde.
3rd. Aust. Pioneer Bn.
D. M. G.O.
A. D. M. S.
D. A. D. V. S.
3rd. Aust. Divnl. Train.
D. A. D. 0. S.
               Since the Circular which I issued on the 3rd. instant
upon the general subject of saluting and, in particular, of saluting 
General Officers in motor cars  flying flags which indicate their
status, I regret to say that I have noticed no marked improvement
in this respect.-
               I had an opportunity yesterday of observing for myself
to what extent these instructions had received attention, as I
travelled practically for the whole day in company with the Corps
Commander in his car flying the Australian Ensign in the districts
of MERRIS, OUTTERSTEENE, BALLLEUL, LOCRE, NEUVE ENGLISE, DRANOUTRE
and NIEPPE - It was the exception for any officer or soldier of
this Division to take the slightest notice of the car, although it
was an open car travelling slowly, owing to the bad state of the
roads, and the occupants were plainly visible. - In numerous
instances, groups of men of this Division merely stared at the car
without either coming to attention or giving any sign of paying the
slightest respect to the Corps Commander or myself. - In only
one instance out of many did the officer or N.C.O. of formed bodies
of troops, whom we passed on the road, make the slightest attempt
to acknowledge the presence of the Corps Commander, either by calling
his party to attention or by himself saluting. -


                   It would appear from the above, that any steps, which may
have been taken by Commanders as the result of my previous memorandum
of January 3rd., have proved quite ineffective, and my own impression
is that any orders, which may have been issued, have  not in fact
reached the large majority of the personnel. - I am not prepared to
believe that many men of the Division would wilfully or knowingly
disobey any instructions they may have received in the matter, and
I think that the indifference shown by them is due entirely to
ignorance of what is expected of them. -
   

                   If the reputation of this Division as a disciplined and
soldierly formation is not to be entirely ruined, it has become
incumbent upon every Commander to take very prompt and very
energetic steps to make certain that my and his orders in respect of
the matters pointed out, as well as in respect of other aspects of
the soldierly bearing of the personnel in regard to dress, tidyness,
absence of slouching, etc., etc., are properly transmitted to the
most junior personnel, and that measures are taken to see that they
are being obeyed.
John Monash
Major-General.
Commanding Third Australian Division.
 

 

“A” Form
 MESSAGES  SIGNALS
G.O.C. Copy
Priority

Rpt to Jackson
Lieutenant
AA & QMG
This message is on a/c of :
O.H.M
Rob. E. Jackson
Lt Col
TO} ADMINAUST

LONDON
Senders Number.            Date of Month.       In reply to Number.
A520.                              10/1/18.                842.     AAA          
Instruct Rosenthal leave
London twelfth and  shall
send car Boulagne for
him that day and Monash
From 3rd Aust Div
Time 9.30am..
Robert Jackson Lt Col

 

 


THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION
Submitted by Major Vickers DADMS  10/1/18
& apprd by  me for
issue br AQ
HEADQUARTERS
8th January, 1918
The following instructions is forwarded regarding
the issue of RUM:-
1. It will be drawn through the Field Ambulance and will be 
kept at the Regimental Aid Post under charge of the
Medical Officer.
2. The Medical Officer will be informed of all parties 

proceeding on difficult or exhausting work or duties which
keep them for a long time standing or working in cold
conditions, so that he may have an opportunity of deciding

in the case of every individual man in the Unit, whether
or not he should have an issue of alcohol, and while not
seeking for opportunities for dispensing it he should see that
no man is denied it who would benefit by it. At the same
time he should keep in mind the fact that hot coffee, cocoa,
oxo, &c. are more suitable under certain conditions.
Rum is only to be issued after the period of duty is finished,
and the issue is to be closely checked by the Medical Officer.
3. The Medical Officer will forward to this Office by 1 p.m.
Friday each week a return shewing the amount of Rum issued
and the number of men to whom it was issued during the
week.
WV/RWB
 

 

10/1/18
Platoon Competition
Points for this Division
Stage
1. Best platoon in a Company - determined by direct competition
of the four platoons of the Company – to be carried out under
Supervision of the Brs staff. - total marks gamed by each of the
four platoons to be recorded.
Stage
2. Best platoon in a Battalion – determined by direct Competition between
the four platoons (irrespective of the Company to which they belong
which have gained the highest marks in the Stage 1 – Provided that
no platoon will be allowed to compete in Stage 2 unless the Company
to which it belongs has gamed a total of 2570 (3) of the maximum
marks in Stage 1.- If any platoon is disqualified on this account, the
platoon next in order of merit (within the Battation) which does comply
with this condition is to be allowed to compete in Stage 2.
to be
Carried out under supervision of Brigade staff.
Stage  Best platoon in a Brigale – determined by divect competition between
3.    the four platoons (inrespective of the Bettalion to which they belong)
which have gained the highest marks for Stages 1 & 2 combined.-
Provided that no platoon will be allowed to compete in Stage 3 unless
the Battalion to which it belong has gained a tobal of 257 of the
Maximum marks in Stage [& 2 combined. - To be carried out
under supervision of Divisional Staff. -
Stage Best platoon in the Division, - determined by direct competition between
4.   the three platoons who are first in each Brigale in Stage 3 taken
alone. - To be carried out under the supervision of Divisional Staff with
a G.S.O.II of Corps as referee.-
 

 


Prizes
Silver Medal to each member
For Stage 4.
For Stage
Bronze Medal to each member
of the two Brigade Teams which do not
win the Silver Medal.
Each member of all 3 Brigade Feams
(except officers) to receive a money prize
of 10/- From Dursional Funds
1.C.3 Fennn & 28 2 84 @14.3 £42
For Stage 2. Money prize of 10/- per head for each member (except office)
of the winning Br team, 1.c.714 per Battalion, out
of Battation Funds
ta Stage I. No prizes,
Divisional Demonstration Platoon not elipible to compete
Pronear Battalion, if competing, will be subject to all the same
Conditions as the Infantry, & will be affiliated, to this purpose
to 11th Brigade
 

 

 

29.835
 

357 300
(orsso)
 

2807 2152807
 

WOR
 


REFERENCE
TIKINE MOUND
SAND BAG
WICARDDOARD
DISC.
TARSET
 

 

EHSST
HII
SAMEETFION
REPRESENTINE BANEE FOR
FLOTOON
DIASEHN
EACH SECTION EEATOON
WTAPSETS
Ort FOR
-
RIGHT
or
81013
X3
SECTIONS
J TRRSET
TARSET
---
----
TOTAL TRONTAEE RESUIRES NOT LESS THAN Eoyds
MOT NEARER THAN

200
15yds
(Row Of SANDBAES COHE FOR EHEHRIFLEMAN) WITH CIREVIAR CARDRORRS FT DISE.
MCHANOTHER BOW OF SANDBRSS WITH
DISES
30t3SO
SECOND RANCE
5igh
LANOTHER ROW OF SADPAPS/OE EA RfIEIn/ WITH FCRCvR CDP DISE
50 yd
RLRPNNS29
FCTION ON

C


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1
DIVISION.
TLIRD MSTRALLAN
7ar 106/270.
m
--
Divisional Readquarters
10th Jamary, 1918.-
ADMINISTRATIVE INSTHUCTION No. 25.

-
-
R V M.
mmmDL
1. Hum will be issued by the S. S. C., on demand to Meld Anbul-
ances. Tho Regimental Rodical Officer will indont on the nearest
Field Apbulance for necessary supplios, which will bo kept at his
Legimental Aid Post.
The Unit will arrange for the nocessary transgort.
2. The Medical Officer will be kept informd by 0.0's. Units of all
parties proceeding on difficult or exhausting work, or duties which
may keop thom for a long time standing or working in cold corditions,
so that he may have an opportunity of deviding in the caso of every
InLivzdual man in the unit, whether or not he should have an issue
of alochol, and whilo not seoking for opportunities for dissensing
it, he should see that no man is denied it who would benefit by it.
it the same tine he should keep in mind the fact that bot coffoe,
COCOa, oxo, etc., are more suitable under cortain conditions.
Run is only to bo issuod after the period of daty is finisted;
and the issue is to be closely checked by the Medical Officer.
Ja ck 3or
2c6.6
^

Tient Colonel.
L.d. & Q.M.Go, 3rd. ArstraLan Division.
(R.B. J(RaM)
A0l
 

 

2.
 

TFIRD SUERSELAN DIYISTON.
Divisional Headquarters
11th. Jenuary, 1917.
TUTF ICLNCL COUMVE. (OTTIORS).
LNELEICENCE- LTHIY BRIGADE - NTLLS OF PRIGADY INT TON

OTOE
1. Outline of work of Erigade IntellIgence Officer.
(a) Organization of System within Brigede.
(b) Direction, supervision and co-ordination of several br-nches.
including Brigade 0.1s.
(o) Training of personnel.
(a) Distribution of Information. - Maps, etc.
(e) Collection of in ormation - formation of deductions.
distribution to Artillery Group, Battalions, Machine Cun
Coy., etc., of informatin and deuctions - furnishing
Divic ion with concise Brigad: report.
Teking over and Exgenization of ner Pront.
Griticisn of Esport. EuDpIttOA.
Gensral.
1.
The Brigads Intellijenoe Officer should ensure that all
those under him are const ntay given the fullest inform-
ation concerning points which affect them. They will then
be in a position to give him useful information in return.
20
He should see that his system is a live one.
3. He should make a constant study of his Brigade front, and
will set tasks, varying work as much as possible.
40
He should frequently visit every branch of his cystem and
discuss the situation with those on the spot, with the
Idea of Tindin; out where the system can be improved,
where there are any difficulties, and where he can help.
-------
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