Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 16, 9 October - 31 October 1917, Part 7

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198 Brignde from Partic 6 two parties 100(5 each of carrying parties to Enginees Servce as under C.R.E 3 Anst Dn not t wrek East of line Road at Hin D.21 10 men (6 Te parties en of 200 (o worth in ths retife) to relieve tr one day the beaved sut dussin Bust &. Ambuilances -not t work that of Der cottages - this party t stand by t he called upon afoin after 24 houss nst A buoisl party (C) of 100 unde Gfttnss or tot 500 men 12/0/11
13/10/1 47 40- FoNM No. of Meen MESSRORS AD StonS Received. Sent, or sent offt Phee Stans Pre Splose S ors D n 1284 2 5 proe Depng Charges to Collect M Mnyo M Service Instructions EN 87 anded in at tee Puth. pr. Received f . f merst MONASH 70 Durng austialian 32 ASendeisMt DydMont TleYEN AAA 13th Tl army commander has express to me demed Your and 10u 44 apprecia Sursion his tion of the donet work £1 ardnous such under yesterda tying circums fances and and he that say gallantly realised how fully carried WArs out will difficult CENERAE Jask their 6001E IM FROM Lnd anyac PLACESTIME 45 frm This line should be crased if not required. WIsISMisre no Pads. HiT. MC. A Co., Lid (Eizisy
Nighhiny Stmyth File Am 13-10-1917. 11th Australlan Infantry Brigade FIGRTING STRENGTH AS Ar NOOY 13-10-192Y, excLuding Traneport Details. ORSFD O.RS 483 24 Alst Battn. 478 21 42nd Battn. 376 43rd Battn. 531 23 44th Battn. 1868 83 108 11th M. G. Company. 34 11th L. T. M. Battery. D 96 .2010 202 A L. w Exclusive of 100 men with 11t Fielots Robsts Jackion Lieut-Colonel. A.A. 8 Q.M.G., Third Australian Dirn. (DCM(PL). 1955
SEESLLL OMTER HjorSexerel JOM HCRSL. C.B., Vel. Commanding, Third Lustralian Division. Divicional Headquarters, 13th October 1517. The Divisional Commander has much pleasure in premulgating the follow ing congratulatory messages received from the Lrmy and Corps Comman- dars, and desires that they be made mnown to all ronks. Tho General MONESH, 3rd. Lustrelian Division. The Irmy Commander has desired me to express to you and your Division his oppreclation of the fine work done Yesterday under such arduous and trying oircumstances and to say that he fully realtses how gallantly all ranks carried out their difficult task. SignedMERLL COMEYy Tre General MARLSH Conmdg. 3rd. Lust: Div. Please convey to all ranks of your Division my high apprecfation of the courage and endurance displayed by your troops during the fighting of yesterday under such adverse and arduous cirounstances. I sympathise with them in their disappointment at not having gained more ground, but would like them risoners taken by the Corps to realise that the 400 and the large number of the eneny killed testify to the severity of the blow dealt him. It is by such repeated blows delivered by such Troops as yours that his moral is broken and the inevitable and brought nearer. Signed...GEHERLL COMLETT. DBT. E. JACRSON Lient.-Colonel. odo G G.M.G., Third Lnstralian Division. (P2).-
140 46 9 Ble. Sead if you will take immediate steps Dvestigati carefully whether report received by you yesterday Milne from and McDowell that they had reached the bene line was accurate correct ana If not ay was Faremost line actually reached and Also reasons for with drawal if any. C 918 76 13/10/1
45 Anzac After investigations made overnight my approsimate Brigadiers there available fighting strengths report th hands as follows 9th Brigade 1000 11th Brigate $000 asa these 20 Brigade 500 infantly tignoes do not include te wooling behind the Bont line on roads tracks carlying etc Latter do not exceed 500 in all. -aad ourns diffe- Cally of movement more accurate figures not likely to be available until after relief. 4 4 58 M
13/0/17 Gennal Monsh Comn 3/ Hust. Du Please convey to all ranks of your twa my high appreciation of the consage & endurance exlayed by your trops during the pighting of yesterday under such advisse Fardrious cicumstances, I sympathuse with them in thei disappointment at not having got te Daaton gaived more ground but would tike them to realise that the 400 personers taken by the Corps & the large number of the eveny killed testify to
of the bow the geventyf dealt him. It is by ench repeated blows delivered by pud troops as yourg that his morale is troben & the inevitable nd brought mann X General Godlen
13/10/1 SECOND ARNY. Herewith a Map showing my proposals for the capture of RASSCHENDAELE by my Corps. In consequence of the resistance met during the last two attacks at the RELLE VUK Spur, and on the Main Ridge, 1t will be necessary for a deliberate and heavy bombardment to be undertaken before there can be any certainty of success. This, combined with the necessity for recorganisation, improvement of communications, otc., will make it impossible for me to renew the attack in less than a week, and I would prefer to have ten days. The date, therefore, on which I would prefer to renew the attack would be the 23rd, but I can do it any day on, or after, the 20th, If necessary. my experience of the three attacks, which have been made by my Corps since I have been engaged in the battle, has convineed me that, in order to ensure success in the attack on the remainder of the Ridge, the direction of my attack should be more pivoting on my right, and my Corps generally should be made a pivot for the 5th Army. As will be seen, 1 have asked for a certain amount of my front to the north to be taken ever by the 5th Army, should troops be available for the purpose, in order to lessen the task for the reduced forces at my disposal, and to bring the Left more forward. Further, I cannot continue to bring my Right along the Railway as long as the DROOGEN BROODHOEK Spur remains in the enemy’s hands. The northern flanks of my objectives correspond approximately, and can be easily adjusted exactly to quit the stages proposed by the 5th Army, and, after the start, the dates can also be made to fit whatever the Sth Army like. The task for the 3rd Australian and New Zealand Divisions is as much as they will be able to do. The troops
of both are exhausted—-in the case of the 3rd Australians, not many reinforcements will be forthcoming--and the capture of the BELLEVUR Spur is, 1 think, one which will need all the resources of a good Division. This will give the 49th and 66th plenty of time to recruit and come in again, and though they will be weak, they will be quite capable of doing a second limited objective. This will also give plenty of time for the one new Division, for which I Lask, to be brought up and got ready. For the third stage 1 think the 66th can quite well do the 11ttle marked out for them, which is readly only a alight improvement of the position attained in the second objective, and a good new Division would be required for the actual capture of PASSCHENDAELE. Subsequently, it would be possible either to utilise the New Zealand Division again, or the Division which took PASSCHENDAELE, to push out still further to the cast, in order to secure better observation, etc. Licutenant—General Headquarters Commanding 2nd ANLAC Corps. 13-10-1917.

Parties from 198th Brigade:-

(a) Two parties each of 100 (to work in two reliefs).
as carrying parties for Engineer Services, under C.R.E.
3rd Aust. Div. - not to work East of line of
Road at thin D.21
8 a.m. & 10 a.m.
(b) The parties each of 200 (to work in two reliefs) men
to relieve, for one day, the bearer sub-divisions
of 3rd Aust. F. Ambulances, - not to work East
of [[Levi?]] Cottages; - this party to stand by to be called
upon again after 24 hours rest.
(c) A Burial party of 100 under Cuttress.
JM.
13/10/17
Total 500 men.
 

 

13/10/17  F5 13/10/17
"C" FORM.
Army Form. C. 2135.
(In book of 100.)

MESSAGES AND SIGNALS.

No. of Message
Prefix  Sm  Code  BJ  Words 56
£   s. d.
Charges to Collect
Received.
From Bno
By Farrington
Sent, or sent out.
At   m.
To
By
Office Stamp.
Service Instructions
Handed in at Bno Office  2.45 pm. Received 2.55 pm.
TO "General MONASH
3rd Australian Division
*Sender's Number.  Day of Month.  In reply to Number.   AAA
                                       13th
The army commander has
desired me to express
to you and your
Division his appreciation of
the fine work done
yesterday under such arduous
and trying circumstances and
[[?]] say that he
fully realises how gallantly
all ranks carried out
their difficult task GENERAL
GODLEY"
3.0 pm
FROM 2nd Anzac
PLACE & TIME  2.45 pm
 

 

?Fighting Strength File
[[A.m.?]]
13-10-1917.
11th Australian Infantry Brigade FIGHTING STRENGTH AS
AT NOON 13-10-1917, excluding Transport Details.
                                        Offrs.     O.R.'s.
41st Battn.                        24         483
42nd Battn.                      21          478
43rd Battn.                       19          376
44th Battn.                       23          531 
                                            ____________
                                             87        1868       1955.           
11th M. G. Company.           6         108
11th L. T. M. Battery.            3            34
                                             ____________
TOTAL.                                96         2010
                                             ____________
Exclusive of 100 men with 11th Field Co
Robt. E Jackson
Lieut-Colonel.
A.A. & Q.M.G., Third Australian Divn.
(DGM/PL).

 

SPECIAL ORDER
by
Major-General JOHN MONASH, C.B., V.D.
Commanding, Third Australian Division.
Divisional Headquarters,
13th October 1917.

The Divisional commander has much pleasure in promulgating the
following congratulatory messages received from the Army and Corps
Commanders, and desires that they be made known to all ranks.
"To General MONASH,
3rd Australian Division
The Army Commander has desired me to express to you and
your Division his appreciation of the fine work done
yesterday under such arduous and trying circumstances
and to say that he fully realises how gallantly all
ranks carried out their difficult task.
Signed................GENERAL GODLEY"
"To General MONASH
Commdg. 3rd Aust: Div.
Please convey to all ranks of your Division my high
appreciation of the courage and endurance displayed
by your troops during the fighting yesterday under
such adverse and arduous circumstances.
I sympathise with them in their disappointment
at not having gained more ground, bout would like them
to realise that the 400 Prisoners taken by the Corps
and the large number of the enemy killed testify to
the severity of the blow dealt him.
It is by such repeated blows delivered by
such Troops as yours that his moral is broken and the
inevitable end brought nearer.
Signed...... GENERAL GODLEY".

 

13/10/17
46
9th Bde.
Glad if you will take immediate steps
investigate carefully whether the report received by
you yesterday from Milne and McDowell that
they had reached the blue line was
accurate correct and if not what was
foremost line actually reached and also
reasons for withdrawal if any. -
G.76
9.18
13/10/17

 

2nd Anzac.
13/10/17    45
After investigations made overnight my
Brigadiers report their ^approximate available fighting strengths
 without hands as follows 9th Brigade 1000
10th Brigade 500 11th Brigade 1100 and These
figures do not include men infantry working behind the
front line on roads tracks carrying etc. Latter
do not exceed 500 in all. - and owing difficulty
of movement more accurate figures not likely
to be available until after relief. -
G 74
8.58
A.M.

 

General Monash
Commdr 3/ Aust. Div.
Please convey to all ranks of 
your Divn my high appreciate
of the courage & endurance
displayed by your troops during
the fighting of yesterday
under such adverse & arduous
circumstances.
I sympathise with them in
their disappointment at not
having got into Passchen
gained more ground but would
like them to realise that the
400 prisoners taken by the Corps
& the large number of the
enemy killed testify to

 

the severity of the blow
dealt him.
It is by such repeated
blows delivered by such
troops as yours that his
morale is broken & the
^inevitable end brought nearer.
General Godley 

 

13/10/17
Second Army.
Herewith a Map showing my proposals for the
capture of PASSCHENDAELE by my corps. In consequence of
the resistance met during the last two attacks at the BELLE
VUE Spur, and on the Main Ridge, it will be necessary for
deliberate and heavy bombardment to be undertaken before there
can be any certainty of success. This, combined with
necessity for re-organisation, improvement of communications,
etc., will make it impossible for me to renew the attack in
less than a week, and I would prefer to have ten days. The
date, therefore, on which I would prefer to renew the attack
would be the 23rd, but I can do it any day on, or after, the
20th, if necessary.
My experience of the three attacks, which have been
made by my Corps since I have been engaged in the battle, has
convinced me that, in order to ensure success in the attack
on the remainder of the Ridge, the direction of my attack
should be more pivoting on my right, and my Corps generally
should be made a pivot for the 5th Army. As will be seen, I
have asked for a certain amount of my front to the north to
be taken over by the 5th Army, should troops be available for
the purpose, in order to lessen the task for the reduced forces
at my disposal, and to bring the Left more forward.
Further, I cannot continue to bring my Right along
the Railway as long as the DROOGEN BROODHOEK Spur remains in
the enemy's hands. The northern flanks of my objectives
correspond approximately, and can be easily adjusted exactly to
suit the stages proposed by the 5th Army,and, after the start,
the dates can also be made to fit whatever the 5th Army like.
The task for the 3rd Australian and New Zealand
Divisions is as much as they will be able to do. The troops.

 

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of both are exhausted-in the case of the 3rd Australians,
not many reinforcements will b forthcoming--and the capture
of the BELLEVUE Spur is, I think, one which will need all
the resources of a good Division.
This will give the 49th and 66th plenty of time to
recruit and come in again, and though they will be weak, they
will be quite capable of doing a second limited objective.
This will give plenty of time for the one new Division, for
which I ask, to be brought up and got ready.
For the third stage I think the 66th can quite well
do the little marked out for them, which is really only a slight
improvement of the position attained in the second objective,
and a good new Division would be required for the actual
 capture of PASSCHENDAELE.
Subsequently, it would be possible either to
utilise the New Zealand Division again, or the Division which
took PASSCHENDAELE, to push out still further to the east, in
order to secure better observation, etc. 

 

 

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