Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 16, 3 September - 9 October 1917, Part 8

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NOTES 1. 2. 5. Ma13D DItlLIUM. AUsmrAuriR Divisional headquarters, 2oth September, 1917.- Douzlys ISSBD VIT Srüblal DIulsjomil ohons No. 1408 20TH SIFTEMBTR; 1917. Dienp Para. 2 (a). Bach Battalion will form up so that "A" and "o" Companies, in av and For Com- column of platoons, are in the front line. panies in reer. Platoons should be equalised and sized. Para. 2 (B). Company Commanders will not be mounted. Para. 4. All Offidero, with the exception of Brigadiers and Staff Officers, will bo dressed tho same as tho men. Para. 7. Drossing of tbe line of Officers will be taken up from the centre. Para. 0. When the Commander-in-Chief moves to the right of the line, mounted Officers will move forward 2 horses length in order to loave sufficient room for him to proceed in rear of them. Para. 9. Units will move to tho right in fours and wheel to tho left On reacbing Point 2 on the line at Point I at the double. of the saluting Baso, they will advance to the Left in column of Platoons or Sections by tbe Right as the case may bo closed up to 10 paces. The movement will ochmenoe as soon as the Commander-in-Chiof has passed the 10tb Brigade. Checking Posts at correct Platoon distance of 16 paces will be placed at 150 yards from the Saluting Base and Platoon Comman¬ dors should be careful not to pass the first post until the Platoon immediately in front has passed the seoond post. (P.T.O).-
40S Page No. 2 .. 20.h Sõpte officers falling out after passing the Seluting Base should arrange te havo their Horso-boldors st the place of dismoun- ting. Thoso men sheuld arrive thore 10 a.m. Peres 11. The 30th Battalien will move to tho roar when tho Commander- in-chief has passod the 1lth Brigade, in ordor to allow the massod bands to pass through, and will then again take up its position in tho line. Pera. 12. Saluting Points will be markod by Flags, and Offioors Com- manding Platoons should be careful to give the ordor "Myos Right" whon they themselves are passing the first flag, and "Eyos Front" when their Platoon has passod the second flag. Mon should be carefully instructed thet when the order "Eyes Right" is given, not only should the head be turned emartly to tho rigbt, but the cyes should look straight into the oyes of the Cormander-in-Chief. A Platoon Commander will not lock reund at his Platoon when giving the order "Eyes Right" but will turn his head and eyos right and oomo to the salute. Pers. 15. Care should be taken thet troops marching off through to the right of the roåd in order to DRIONVILLE keop leave a clear passage for the Commander-in-Chief's car. Rett darkson Major.- A.A. & 4.M.G. Third Australian Division, (PL).-
Ho. ot DIVISIOM. Ausrnaulas THIRD Divisional Headquarters, 21st. September, 1917. NOTES FOR STAFF FOR COMMANDER-in-CHIEF's PARADE nmad, 1917. 10:30 a.m., 22nd. SET 1. G.S.O. I., A.A. & Q.M.G., Lance-bearer and Trumpeter will meet the G.O.C. at the following rendezvous;- EMBRONNE ROAD, 1500 yards South Cross-roads DRIONVILLE - THI of DRIONVILLE, at 9:45 a.m. coned ) Positions throughout Parade are shown on attached sketch. The D.A.A.G. will be respon sible for the Parade lining-up and the 2. He will ensure that no delay occurs in the March Past. commencement of the March Past. He willbe assisted by the following Officers:-- Major S. KING, Captain J.A. LALBDEN, r Captain D.G. MOLESWORTH, Lieutenant S. IHWIN. Major KING will supervise the marching off of troops after the will be responsible that no check takes place March Past, and at the Saluting Base. Captain LAMBDEN will supervise checking of distances at the checking posts. Captain MOLESWORTH will supervise the change of direction at Point 2, and ensure that Platoons are kept closed up to 10 paces. During the forming up of the Parade he will carry out such duties as are allotted to him by the D.A.A.G. Lieutenant IRWIN will take post in rear of the 38th. Battalion to ensure that they move to the rear at the right time in order to allow the Massed Bands to pass through. During the forming up he will carry out such duties as are allotted to him by the D.A.A.G. Captain S.H. JACKSON will be at rendezvous for horses of 3. Commander-in-Chief, at the Pump, DRIONVILLE, at 10 a.m. and will guide the Commander-in-Chief to the Saluting Base. geg josktor Major. A.A. & C.M.G., Third Australian Division. Distribution: A.D.C. for G.O.C. G.a. A.A. & g.M.G. D.A.A.G. I.G. Major S. KING, Capt. J.A. LAMBDEN, Capt. D.G. MOLESWORTH, Lieut. S. IRWIN.
Poshons on Parade gac -------- - t t ADe esol skmn Ditete: me March, ot Statt during Inspechion -- Anc. Jope e Pofstiom of Statt duing "March Pest a o od sopur. 1- GOc laccompanded by GSolonly) rnove saluting Base ofter Possing
o 249 22/191. SPECIALORDEROFTHEDAY FIELD-MARSHAL SIR DOUGLAS HAIG. K.T. G. C.B. G.C.V.O. K.C.I.E. Commanderin Chief. British Armiesin France. stee The delays imposed on us by the persistent rain in August gave the enemy ample time to bring up reinforcements, and to perfect all his arrangements to meet a renewal of our advance on the Ypres front, but the complete success of the operations carried out on the 20th instant by the Second and Fifth Armies has again shown that neither preparations nor reinforcements can stop the determined and well combined advance of the troops of the British Empire. Another important step forward to the fnal victory has been made. I congratulate the Commanders, Staffs and Troops of the Second and Fifth Armies on the splendid results gained by them in this last attack. tard: Ihh General Headquarters, Commander-in-Chiey, 22nd September, 1917. 86 Brütish Armies in Francc. A0 ARMY PRINTING AND STATTONmaY scevicæs A-917.
THIRD Aversallas DIYISJON. Divisional Headquarters, 23rd. September, 1917. Captain T. MORELL, Staff Captain, 3rd. Aust. Divisional Artillery. My dear Morell, I have been handed a letter from the Divisional Commander written to him in a semi-official capacity by your G.O.C. on the subject of Horses. The C.R.A. seems to be under the impression that the Returns rendered by you for demand of Remounts are in some way altered in this offioe, the result being that the number of horses we ask for for you are a considerable number short of what you actually require. I attach hereto a Statement shewing the number of animals asked for by you in your three most recent Demands, and the number demanded by Division to satisfy. You will notice that no rides havo been demanded except 4 special ones, on account of the number of surplus already held which are to be replaced by Bicycles. In addition to this Statement you will probably remember the day before you were ordered to move from this Area, I asked you to let me know the number of Light Draught animals you required to complete, so that a special effort could be made to get them in time to move with you. I received a telephone message from your Office; I forget whether it was from you or Irwin; stating that you These were immediately required 37 Light Draughts. demanded from Remounts, and arrangements made to colleot the day Some hours after receiving after you moved out. the above telephone message a wire was received from your Office stating that you required 49 Light Draught animals, but as the 37 had already been demanded and arrangements made for them, I considered it was not good policy to submit a fresh demani, thereby probably upsetting the arrangements already maie by the Director of Remounts which would oause delay in getting the original 37. My idea in pointing out these figures to you is to show that we ean only work on figures supplied by you. do not doubt for one moment that you are 58 Light Draught animals short at the present time, taking into account the number of casualties which you must have had since you left here, hut at the same time, I think that if the C.R.A. was made absolntely conversant with the system of demanding Remounts he would probably not worry our General unnecessarily on matters which are merely normal. He also states that you have approximately 30 Light Draught horses which are considered unsuitable as Gunners: if this is the case the correot procedure is to advise me of this
2. and arrangements will be made for a Representative of the If this Remount Staff (not Veterinary) to cast them. state of things is not reported through the proper channels you must not allow your C.R.A. to be misled by him thinking that your interests as regards Remounts are not being closely watched from this end. Now, if you will let me know exactly:- 1. the number of Light Draught animals you require to complete, 2. the number you consider unsuitable as Gunners and should be cast, I will arrange at once for the casting of the latter and you to be completed up to establishment. Hoping you are keeping fit, and not being worried too much by bombs, etc. Yours sincerely, tle (OAP/DD!
SUMMARY OF THREE MOST RECENT DEMANDS FROM 3rd. AUSTRALIAN DIVISIOMAL ARTTILL'RY FOR REMOUNTS. DEMANDED BY ARTILLERY DEMANDED BY DIVISION FOR ARTILLERY R E M A R K S L.D. L.D. R. jo rides demanded, beoause Artillery had a large number August 14th. of surplus rides. August 16th. nil 11 [Approximately 60) which are ? undated - to be exchanged for bicycles. end of 41 12 41 Septbr. Znd. nil August. Septbr. 12th. 43 68 Septbr. 16th. Same re rides. 7 L.D. Horses were urgently Hema r U to complete the Artillery when they marched out from this rea. These were due to rrive at Wagon Lines on September 13th. (the day efter the indent was submitted) 12 of these Animals were cast en route by D.D. Remounts, which eft 25 to be taken on tharge by Artillery - this humber was deducted from their demand. Divisional Headquarters. 23rd. September, 1917. (DD)
Fairu AUortuLy DIVLLION Divizional Headquarters 23rd. September, 1917. G. 26/542. GENTREL STAFS CIRCULAR NO, 594. The attached Diagrams "A" and "B", dravn to soale, shew possible methodsof arranging a Battalion in order that it may attack roughly on a 600 yard front with a platoon strength of 25 to 30.. Suggestion "A" is that the Battalion should have four Companies deployed on this front, each Company having a frontage of 150 The points about Diagram "A" are as follows yards. The len ding wave in one line consisting of one platoon on a (a). Company frontage is strong onough to smother opposition, and shallow onough to keop close up to tho barrage and lot tho moppors up be near tho work they will have to do. It also places the loading wave on the Company front under the command of on man, whose one objeot is to koep olose to the barrags. (b). It allows for moppers up to bo doubly as strong as the leading Wve; thus if it is docidod to tell off areas, these moppers up can leap-frog among thomselves without interfering with the ioading wävo. (c). It allows of half the moppors up being takon to replaco the lead- ing wavo, and yot of thes. being sufficiont moppors up handy to do the work.- (d). It allows for one platoon to act ae resorve to oach Company. "B" shows a Battalion front of 600 yards, dividod Diagram into throe sections of 200 euch, a Company being allotted to each of these soctions - the Company to attack with three platoons in front and onc platoon in roserve, the fourth Company being in Battalion resorvo. It will bo scon on referring to the Diagram - (a). That the moppers up are only cqual to the leading wave. (b). That the moppers up and leading wave are under the same Platoon Commander, though they have difforent miesions to perform. (c). That there is a platoon in roserve which could replace certain moppers up if they had to fill vacancios in the leading wave. (d). That there is a Company in Battalion reservo. It is thought to bo an undoubtod advantage to have a Company in Battalion reserve, but on the whole Scheme "B" does not appear to be as floxible, or to have spare parts as handy to their work us in It has, howover, the advantage alro dy quotod, that thero Schome "A". is a wholo Company in Battalion reserve instead of four different platoons as in Scheme "A" It will be seon that by either Scheme the Division could attack on a 1,200 yard front with two Brigades in line and ono in roservo. Pleaso lot me have your cpinions with regard to these two Schemos. "A" has been ovolvod as the result of obsorvations of the Exercises carried out by tho 10th, and 11th. Brigades. P.T.0.

THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.

Divisional Headquarters,
20th September, 1917.-

NOTES ISSUED WITH SPECIAL DIVISIONAL ROUTINE ORDER 
NO. 1409 DATED 20TH SEPTEMBER 1917.

1. Para. 2 (A).

Each  Battalion will form up so that "A" and "C" Companies, in 
column of platoons, are in the front line. "B" and "D" Companies
in rear. 

Platoons should be equalised and sized.

2. Para. 2 (B).

Company Commanders will not be counted.

3. Para. 4.

All Officers, with the exception of Brigadiers and Staff 
Officers, will be dressed the same as the men.

4. Para. 7.

Dressing of the line of Officers will be taken up from the centre.

5. Para. 8.

When the Commander-in- Chief moves to the right of the line,
mounted officers will move forward 2 horse length in order 
to leave sufficient room for him to proceed in rear of them. 

6. Para. 9

Units will move to the right in fours and wheel to the left 
at Point I at the double. On reaching Point 2 on the line
of the saluting Base, they will advance to the Left in column
of Platoons or Sections by the Right as the case may be closed
up to 10 paces. 

The movement will commence as soon as the Commander-in= Chief 
has passed the 10th Brigade. 

Checking Posts at correct Platoon distance of 16 paces will be
placed at 150 yards from Saluting base and Platoon Commanders
should be careful not to pass first post until the
Platoon immediately in front has passed the second post.  

(P.T.O).-

 

 Page No. 2.  20th Septem

Officers falling out after passing the Saluting Base should
arrange to have their Horse-holders at the place of dismounting.
Those men should arrive there 10 a.m.

7. Para. 11.

The 30th Battalion will move to the rear when the Commander-
in-Chief has passed the 11th Brigade, in order to allow the
massed bands to pass through, and will then again take up
its position in the line.

8. Para. 12.

Saluting Points will be marked by Flags, and Officers Commanding
Platoons should be careful to give the order "Eyes
Right" when they themselves are passing the first flag, and
"Eyes Front" when their Platoon has passed the second flag.
Mon should be carefully instructed that when the order
"Eyes Right" is given, not only should the head be turned
smartly to the right, but the eyes should look straight
into the eyes of the Commander-in-Chief.

A Platoon Commander will not look round at his Platoon when
giving the order "Eyes Right" but will turn his head and
eyes right and come to the salute.

9. Para. 13.

Care should be taken that troops marching off through
DRIONVILLE keep to the right of the road in order to
leave a clear passage for the Commander-in-Chief's car.

Rob. E. Jackson
Major.-
A.A. & Q.M.G. Third Australian Division,

(PL).-

 

[*ADC. for GOI*]

THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.

Divisional Headquarters,
21st. September, 1917.

NOTES FOR STAFF FOR COMMANDER-in-CHIEF's PARADE
10:30 a.m., 22nd. SEPTEMBER, 1917.

1. G.S.O. I., A.A. & Q.M.G., Lance-bearer and Trumpeter will meet
the G.O.C. at the following rendezvous:-

Cross-roads DRIONVILLE - THEIMBRONNE ROAD, 1500 yards South
of DRIONVILLE,

at 9:45 a.m.

Positions throughout Parade are shown on attached sketch. [*issues to 
those concerned*]

2. The D.A.A.G. will be responsible for the Parade lining-up and the
March Past. He will ensure that no delay occurs in the 
commencement of the March Past.

He will be assisted by the following Officers:--

Major S. KING,
Captain J.A. LAMBDEN,
Captain D.G. MOLESWORTH,
Lieutenant S. IRWIN.

Major KING will supervise the marching off of troops after the
March Past, and will be responsible that no check takes place
at the Saluting Base.

Captain LAMBDEN will supervise checking of distances at the
checking posts.

Captain MOLESWORTH will supervise the change of direction at
Point 2, and ensure that Platoons are kept closed up to 10 paces.

During the forming up of the Parade he will carry out such duries
as are allotted to him by the D.A.A.G.

Lieutenant IRWIN will take post in rear of the 38th. Battalion
to ensure that they move to the rear at the right time in order
to allow the Massed Bands to pass through.

During the forming up he will carry out such duties as are
allotted to him by the D.A.A.G.

3. Captain S.H. JACKSON will be at rendezvous for horses of
Commander-in-Chief, at the Pump, DRIONVILLE, at 10 a.m. and will
guide the Commander-in-Chief to the Saluting Base.

Rob. E. Jackson
Major.
A.A. & Q.M.G., Third Australian Division.

Distribution:-
A.D.C. for G.O.C.
G.a.
A.A. & Q.M.G.
D.A.A.G.
I.G.
Major S. KING,
Capt. J.A. LAMBDEN,
Capt. D.G. MOLESWORTH,
Lieut. S. IRWIN.

 

Positions on Parade

Diagram - see original document
Order of March of Staff during Inspection

Diagram - see original document
Position of Staff during "March Past"

Diagram - see original document
G.O.C. (accompanied by. G.S.D.I only) moves to saluting Base
after passing

 

[*22/9/17*]

SPECIAL ORDER OF THE DAY
By
FIELD-MARSHALL SIR DOUGLAS HAIG.
K.T., G.C.B., G.C.V.O., K.C.I.E.,
Commander-in-Chief. British Armies in France.

The delays imposed on us by the persistent rain in August gave the enemy
ample time to bring up reinforcements and to perfect all his arrangements to
meet a renewal of our advance on the Ypres front, but the complete success of
the operations carried out on the 20th instant by the Second and Fifth Armies
has again shown that neither preparations nor reinforcements can stop the
determined and well combined advance of the troops of the British Empire.

Another important step forward to the final victory has been made.

I congratulate the Commanders, Staffs and Troops of the Second and
Fifth Armies on the splendid results gained by them in this last attack.

D. Haig.  F.M.
Commander-in-Chief.
British Armies in France.

General Headquarters,
22nd September, 1917.

[*GOC*]
[*AQ*]

ARMY PRINTING AND STATIONERY SERVICES A--9/17.

[*JM*]
[*26/9/17*]

 

THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.

Divisional Headquarters,
23rd. September, 1917.

Captain T. MORELL,
Staff Captain,
3rd. Aust. Divisional Artillery.

My dear Morell,

I have been handed a letter from the Divisional
Commander written to him in a semi-official capacity by your
G.O.C. on the subject of Horses.

The C.R.A. seems to be under the impression that
the Returns rendered by you for demand of Remounts are in some
way altered in this office, the result being that the number of
horses we ask for for you are a considerable number short of
what you actually require.

I attach hereto a Statement shewing the number
of animals asked for by you in your three most recent Demands,
and the number demanded by Division to satisfy. You
will notice that no rides have been demanded except 4 Special
ones, on account of the number of surplus already held which
are to be replaced by Bicycles.

In addition to this Statement you will probably
remember the day before you were ordered to move from this Area,
I asked you to let me know the number of Light Draught animals
you required to complete, so that a special effort could be made
to get them in time to move with you.

I received a telephone message from your Office;
I forget whether it was from you or Irwin; stating that you
required 37 Light Draughts. These were immediately
demanded from Remounts, and arrangements made to collect the day
after you moved out. Some hours after receiving
the above telephone message a wire was received from your Office
stating that you required 49 Light Draught animals, but as the
37 had already been demanded and arrangements made for them, I
considered it was not good policy to submit a fresh demand,
thereby probably upsetting the arrangements already made by the
Director of Remounts which would cause delay in getting the
original 37.

My idea in pointing out these figures to you is
to show that we can only work on figures supplied by you. I
do not doubt for one moment that you are 58 Light Draught animals
short at the present time, taking into account the number of
casualties which you must have had since you left here, but at
the same time, I think that if the C.R.A. was made absolutely
conversant with the system of demanding Remounts he would
probably not worry out General unnecessarily on matters which
are merely normal.

He also states that you have approximately 30
Light Draught horses which are considered unsuitable as Gunners:
if this is the case the correct procedure is to advise me of this

 

   2.

and arrangements will be made for a Representative of the
Remount Staff (not Veterinary) to cast them. If this
state of thins is not reported through the proper channels
you must not allow your C.R.A. to be misled by him thinking
that your interests as regards Remounts are not being closely
watched from this .

Now, if you will let me know exactly:-

  1. the number of Light Draught animals you require
    to complete,
  2. the number you consider unsuitable as Gunners
    and should be cast,

I will arrange at once for the casting of the latter and you
to be completed up to establishment.

Hoping you are keeping fit, and not being worried
too much by bombs, etc.

Yours sincerely,
CA Pyke

(CAP/DD)

 

SUMMARY OF THREE MOST RECENT DEMANDS FROM 3rd. AUSTRALIAN DIVISIONAL ARTTILLERY FOR REMOUNTS.

DEMANDED BY ARTILLERY DEMANDED BY DIVISION FOR ARTILLERY REMARKS
  R. L.D.   R. L.D. ) No rides demanded, because
Artillery had a large number
of surplus rides.
(Approximately 60) which are
to be exchanged for bicycles.
August 14th. 8 11 August 16th. nil 11 )
? undated -
end of
August.
12 41 Septbr. 2nd. nil 41 )
Septbr. 12. 19 68 Septbr. 16th. 4 43  

Same re rides.

57 L.D. Horses were urgently
demanded from BOULOGNE to
complete the Artillery when
they marched out from this
Area. These were due to
arrive at Wagon Lines on
September 13th. (the day
after the indent was
submitted) 12 of these
animals were cast en route
by D.D. Remounts, which
left 25 to be taken on
charge by Artillery - this
number was deducted from
their demand.

Divisional Headquarters,
23rd. September, 1917.
(DD)

 

THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.

Divisional Headquarters,
23rd. September, 1917.
G. 26/542.

GENERAL STAFF CIRCULAR NO. 59A.

The attached Diagrams "A" and "B", drawn to scale, shew
possible methodsof arranging a Battalion in order that it may attack
roughly on a 600 yard front with a platoon strength of 25 to 30..

Suggestion "A" is that the Battalion should have four
Companies deployed on this front, each Company having a frontage of 150
yards. The points about Diagram "A" are as follows :-

(a). The leading wave in one line consisting of one platoon on a
company frontage is strong enough to smother opposition, and shallow
enough to keep close up to the barrage and lot the moppers up be near the
work they will have to do. It also pieces the leading wave on the
Company front under the command of one man, whose one object is to keep
close to the barrage. -

(b). It allows for moppers up to be doubly as strong as the leading
wave; thus if it is decided to tell off areas, these moppers up can
leap-frog among themselves without interfering with the leading wave. -

(c). It allows of half the moppers up being taken to replace the leading
wave, and yet of these being sufficient moppers up handy to do the
work. -

(d). It allows for one platoon to act as reserve to each Company. -

Diagram "B" shows a Batallion front of 600 yards, divided
into three sections of 200 each, a Company being allotted to each of these
sections - the Company to attack with three platoons in front and one
platoon in reserve, the fourth company being in Battalion reserve.
It will be seen on referring to the Diagram -

(a). That the moppers up are only equal to the leading wave. -

(b). That the moppers up and leading wave are under the same Platoon
Commander, though they have different missions to perform. -

(c). That there is a platoon in reserve which could replace certain
moppers up if they had to fill vacancies in the leading wave. -

(d). That there is a Company in Battalion reserve. -

It is thought to be an undoubted advantage to have a
Company in Battalion reserve, but on the whole Scheme "B" does not appear
to be as flexible, or to have spare parts as handy to their work as in
Scheme "A". It has, however, the advantage already quoted, that there
is a whole Company in Battalion reserve instead of four different platoons
as in Scheme "A".

It will be seen that by either Scheme the Division could
attack on a 1,200 yard front with two Brigades in line and one in reserve.
Please let me have your opinions with regard to these two
Schemes. -

"A" has been evolved as the result of observations of the
Exercises carried out by the 10th. and 11th. Brigades,

P.T.O.

[*G.O.C.
for approval
prior to issue
[[? CM]]
23/7/17*]

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