Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 16, 3 September - 9 October 1917, Part 1

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Sir John Monash (General, b.1865 - d.1931)
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3/9/19 II. Annac (after Sept 3 191. Division. FERCEVAL E.N CB.DSO 249 p.3.C rate RM Myjor General 3 June 1915 SHOUBRIDGE T.H UME. PSO. 7th p.s.c Division Nerhumbertant Swaiter pt 1910 Jaiy 1917 of Brust Colonel Hoponry may Sernd Russell N2 Monash 5rd Cust. Above per Gwynnie 3/1
Lrent. Hanney & Major Norrie.- in American viton wish to call on me. Rsk them to lunch Connected by telephone American. Viitons Chattan about 7 mile away mile from notice board
38078 TEIRD AUSTRAELAN DIYESION. Divisional Headquarters, 4th. September, 1917. D.A.G., A.l.F.. Attached lst. ANEAC. About four months ago the C.O., 3rd. Australian Divisional Base (Lieut-Colonel O'DONNELL) paid a visit to this Division and placed himself in personal touch with Brigade and Unit Commanders. - It was found that this visit was fruitful of much benefit in regard to many details of the working of the Base and the liaison between Base administration and the Units them- selves. I should be very glad if another visit by Lient-Colonel O’DONHELL to this Division could be anthorised.- The present would be a very suitable juncture, as the Division is resting, and many troops, both from ENGLAND and from con- valescent depots in FRANCE, are passing through the Base. Major-General.- Commanding Third Australian Division.
Copy 1/9/1917. 5th. September, 1917. My dear General, I only realized how deeply my affections were rooted with you and the Division when the break away had to be made. The inspiration of loyal devotion which you are able to sive is a personal asset which makes all ways smooth. The poorest instrument will respond unexpectedly well with a master touch, and I have felt always so fortunate to be working in your enveloping infinence. The thoughts that will always be mine of the fourteen months I have spent with Australian Troops are very happy. At first I counted my association with them a privalege, the Third Australian have made it an honour. While its spirit burns as it does now I know that success will come. Yours very sincerely, (Sed). H. M. FARMAR.
Fo5 Coops Confernce Consideration clanse by clanse of Decond Army paper of 31/1/17 83 doubtful what it means. Ewynne referr to yesterdays conference - 5th Arny Oupests 1500 on a day, in cay 3 stages, respectively 700, 500 & 300 Creating unexpected situations - during all training 3pr two 18/r. 5 Barrages 8 2 Organization of Pack Transport senres. & develop it. Gullon pack. tots. DAnne coops to continue. I Anyue operation - during a pause Which latter involve aer advance of 3500. If I Anjuc get whole, II Anyuc Holds af explvits Drs. Commamder to study froed on flanks E.g. Landworde Rille All troops at all training to be counterattacked. Troops not to be underly sensitive about their flanks. Forbid throwing back flanks – but bring up other troops to form a flank (un story's case Count on &ler, be nos, as a minemum.
Arty 49th De Arty with 7th Cops 7t will be out on Attack day N.E. Aty will be with 10th Dop resting in Morbeggue srea, 3 Did. Arty: will be in the lime on 1t Anyig attack day musk be in the aree by 11- March thsen
Ars Sep 5/17
SUBS. UMIT RANK. LECol. 38th Bn. Lt-Col. 40th Ba. Lt-Col. Aend Bn. Lt-Col. 33rd Bn. Major 3rd Bn. Major 38th Ba. 4end Bn. Major Major 35th Ba. Major 33rd B. 3rd Pur. Pn. Major Major 34th Bn. Major 33rd Bn. 43rd Bn. Major TRIRD RAME C.H. (DS0) MAVIS J.E.G. (Ds0) S AoRo OOOOE L.J. (Ds0) MORSHEAD GaF. (DSO) NOUKNN MIRRT FARRELL TMMNN WMITH H.D. Wole BERRY FRY, W.A., Le R. MASSIE R.J.A. MMISH N.S. 8-8-1822 EUUTRKGIMTISO REMARKS. PMl DATE or DATE or APPOLNHENT. SUB. RANE BIRTH. BRIGADE COMMyDS. 6.0. 38th Bn. 5.4.10 406.72 C.0. 40th Ba. 14-12-15 8.5.70 C.O. S2nd Bn. 10-2-16 11.3-82 600. 33rd Ba. 16-4.16 18-239 BTOn Co Bde. Major 8th Inf. Bdc. 1.5-93 25-2-18 1.5-16 15.8-68 1.5-16 2003.SS Attas. Ba. Car's Course. 1.5-15 11-10-79 1.5-16 13-6-83 1.5-16 9-12-83 1.5.16 29,11-86 1.5-16 8.7.90 Wounded- INENE 3.1.17 14-8-81
THIM AUERALLAN BIVLSION (COTYLNURD). REMARKS. PRESENT DATE or DATE of RAME SUBS. UMIT APPOLNTMENT SUBS. RANK. BIREK. RANK. Briaing Mson. C. So0. 3 3rd. Mv. 2.3-16 22-8.90 Captain. JACKSON S.H. 44th Bn. Brigade Major Traince. 28.1.16 Captain. DUNLOP-W.A.S. 30-6-92 2nd. Anzao Mtd. Troops. G.S.O. 3 Treince. Captain. LAMBDEN J.A (MC) 20-10-81 1.5.16 37th Ba. STATY GAPTAINS. Adm. Staff Traince, DH.Q. 28.5-17 Captain. MOLESWORTH D.G. 14-3-95 36th Pn. Staff Captain Traince 26.8.II Captain. WOLSTENROLME R. 28.4-94 34th Ba. Adjt. 3rd. Pur. Bn. P. 4.3-72 15-3-17 Captain. FENNELLY 3rd Par. Bn. LIVISIONAL STATE APPOIYTYTyTS D.A.A.G. 3rd Div. Adv. in rer 16.1.16 Major JACKSON R.E. 1-1-86 10th L.K. Bde. Major 9th Bde. Advein Or WOOTTEN G.F. (DS0) 1.5-93 25,2-16 Major 3rd. Bn. D.A.Q.M.G. 3rd Div. Adv. in rer. 15-10-15 C.. 10.7-88 PELE 1 Div Train. Capt. Im Major.-General.- (Divisional Hoadqarters. Commanding, Third Australian Division. I TEMO
4 4 99.19 N. 1. 1/4. MS WIVISSON TRIRD HMH Divisional Hoadquarters, 8th September, 1917.- DoAcG., A.L.N Attached lst Ansac Corps. Reference your No. 10/383 of 2-9-27. I beg to forward herewith my revised recommen- dations of Officers suitable for appointnents to Commands and Staffs. I 03 Cop. Major.-General. Comnanding, Third Australlan Division. (WSB/PL).

3/9/17

 

II Anzac (after Sept 3 1917
49th Division 


 

PERCEVAL E.M
later RA 

Major General 3 June 1915
 

 CB. DSO
p.s.c.

 
7th Division



 		 SHOUBRIDGETH
Northumberland Fusiliers 
Major 14 Sept 1914 
Brevet Colonel  1 Jany 1917 
Temporary Major General 		 CMG. DSO.
p.s.c


 
NZ  Russell  
3rd Aust Monash  

Above per Gwynne 2/9/17
 

 


  3/9/17
Lieut Hannay & Major Norrie .-
American visitors; wish to call on me.
Ask them to lunch.
Connected by telephone
American Visitors Chateau
about 7 miles away
1 mile from notice board.
 

 

Spare.
THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.
Divisional Headquarters,

4th. September, 1917.
D.A.G., A.I.F.,
Attached 1st. ANZAC.-
About four months ago the C.O., 3rd. Australian
Divisional Base (Lieut-Colonel O'DONNELL) paid a visit to this
Division and placed himself in personal touch with Brigade and
Unit Commanders. - It was found that this visit was fruitful of
much benefit in regard to many details of the working of the Base
and the liaison between Base administration and the Units themselves.
I should be very glad if another visit by
Lieut-Colonel O'DONNELL to this Division could be authorised. -
The present would be a very suitable juncture, as the Division
is resting, and many troops, both from ENGLAND and from convalescent 
depots in FRANCE, are passing through the Base.
Major-General.-
Commanding Third Australian Division.
 

 


Copy 7/9/1917.
5th. September, 1917.
My dear General,
I only realized how deeply my affections were
rooted with you and the Division when the break away had to be
made. The inspiration of loyal devotion which you are able to 
give is a personal asset which makes all ways smooth. The
poorest instrument will respond unexpectedly well with a master
touch, and I have felt always so fortunate to be working in your
enveloping influence.
The thoughts that will always be mine of the
fourteen months I have spent with the Australian Troops are very happy.
At first I counted my association with them a privilege, the
Third Australian have made it an honour.
While its spirit burns as it does now I know that
success will come.
Yours very sincerely
(Sgd). H. M. FARMAR. 
 

 

Sep 5/17
Corps Conference
Consideration clause by clause of Second Army paper of 31/1/17.
[[Shorthand?]] 3 doubtful what it means.-
Gwynne refers to "yesterday's conference" - 5th Army outposts 1500x
on a day, in say 3 stages, respectively 700x, 500x & 300x
Creating unexpected situations - during
all training. -
5 Barrages - 2 pr.
two 18 pr
M.G.
6"
8"
9.2"
Organization of Pack Transport services.
& develop it.
Yukon pack.-
[*training grounds*]
II Anzac corps to continue. I Anzac operations - during a pause
which latter involves an advance of 3500.
If I Anzac get whole, II Anzac holds or exploits
Div. Commander to study ground on flanks
e.g. Zandvoorde Ridge
All troops at all training to be counterattacked. 
Troops not to be unduly sensitive about their flanks.
Forbid throwing back flanks - but bring up other
troops to form a flank (in Story's case)
Count on 4 weeks from now, as a minimum.
 

 


Arty
49th Div. Arty with 9th Corps.
7th     "       "     will be out on attack day
N.Z. Arty will be with 10th Corps.
resting in Morbecque area.
3 Div Arty. will be in the line
on 1st Aug & attack day.
must be in the area by 11th
xxMarch through
get permission
 

 


Diagram-see original document
 

 

 

THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION. 8-9-17
UNIT
 		 SUBS.
RANK.		 NAME
 		 DATE OF 
BIRTH.		 DATE OF 
SUB. RANK		 PRESENT
APPOINTMENT.		 REMARKS
 
      BRIGADE COMMANDS.    
38th Bn. Lt-Col. DAVIS C.H. (DSO) 4.6.72 5.4.10 C.O. 38th Bn.  
40th Bn. Lt-Col. LORD J.E.C. (DSO) 8.5.70 14.12.15 C.O. 40th Bn.  
42nd Bn. Lt-Col. WOOLCOCK A.R. 11.3.82 10.2.16 C.O. 42nd Bn.  
33rd Bn. Lt-Col. MORSHEAD L.J. (DSO) 18.9.89 16.4.16 C.O. 33rd Bn.  
      BATTALION COMMANDS.    
3rd Bn.
 		 Major
 		 WOOTTEN G.F. (DSO) 1.5.93
 		 25.2.16
 		 Bde. Major 9th Inf.Bde.  
38th Bn. Major HURRY G. 15.9.68 1.5.16    
42nd Bn. Major FARRELL J. 20.3.83 1.5.16    
35th Bn. Major BLACKLOW A. 11.10.79 1.5.16 Attg. Bn.Cdr's Course.  
33rd Bn. Major WHITE H.F. 13.6.83 1.5.16    
3rd Pnr. Bn. Major
 		 BERRY W.W.
 		 9.12.83
 		 1.5.16
 		    
34th Bn. Major FRY, W.A., Le R. 29.11.86 1.5.16    
33rd Bn. Major MASSIE R.J.A. 8.7.90 1.5.16    
43rd Bn. Major KINNISH M.J. 14.8.81 3.1.17   Wounded 
-In Eng.
             
 


  

THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION. (CONTINUED).
UNIT
 		 SUBS.
RANK.		 NAME
 		 DATE OF 
BIRTH.		 DATE OF 
SUB. RANK		 PRESENT
APPOINTMENT.		 REMARKS
 
      BRIGADE MAJOR.    
44th Bn.
 		 Captain
 		 JACKSON S.H.
 		 22.8.90
 		 2.3.16
 		 G.S.O. 3rd. Div.
 		  
2nd. Anzac
Mtd. Troops		 Captain


 		 DUNLOP W.A.S.


 		 30.6.92


 		 28.1.16


 		 Brigade Major Trainee.

 		  
37th Bn.
 		 Captain
 		 LAMBDEN J.A (MC)
 		 20.10.81
 		 1.5.16
 		 G.S.O. 3 Trainee.
 		  
      STAFF CAPTAINS.    
36th Bn.
 		 Captain
 		 MOLESWORTH D.G. 14.3.95
 		 28.5.17
 		 Adm. Staff Trainee, DH.Q.  
34th Bn.
 		 Captain
 		 WOLSTENHOLME R. 28.4.94
 		 26.6.17
 		 Staff Captain Trainee
 		  
3rd Pnr. Bn. Captain
 		 FENNELLY P.
 		 4.3.72
 		 15.3.17
 		 Adjt. 3rd. Pnr. Bn.
 		  
      DIVISIONAL STAFF APPOINTMENTS.    
10th L.H.
 		 Major
 		 JACKSON R.E.
 		 1.1.86
 		 16.1.16
 		 D.A.A.G. 3rd Div. Adv. in "Q"  
3rd. Bn.

 		 Major

 		 WOOTTEN G.F. (DSO)
 		 1.5.93

 		 25.2.16

 		 Bde. Major 9th Bde. Adv. in "G"
 		  
1 Div Train. Capt.
 		 PYKE C.A. 
 		 10.7.88
 		 15.10.15
 		 D.A.Q.M.G. 3rd Div. Adv. in "Q".  
             

JM
Major.-General.-
Commanding, Third Australian Division.
(Divisional Headquarters.
(PL)

 


HEADQUARTERS
9 SEP, 1917
No. Q7/94
THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.  
THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.  
Divisional Headquarters,
8th September, 1917.-
D.A.G., A.I.F.,
Attached 1st Anzac Corps.
Reference your No. 10/383 of 2-9-17.
I beg to forward herewith my revised 
recommendations of officers suitable for appointments to Commands and
Staffs.
JM
Major.-General.-
Commanding, Third Australian Division.
[*G.O.Cs Copy*]
(WSB/PL).-

 

 



                                

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