Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 15, 10 June - 31 July 1917, Part 6

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44th Battalion C 20.6.17. 20 Jun 1311 He Headquarters eta 11th Infantry Brigade. In answer thr to the adverse report Tin not reporting on the position and work of the 44th Battalion whilst under the orders of the 10th Brigade, I respectfully submit that the 10th Brigade were advised at 8.45 a.m. that we ware in touch with the 48th Battalion, who were consolidating GVL TRENCH, as per my message marked Ar. Again sketch and message was despatched at 9.30 a.m. as per my message marked upn stating definitely that I had joined up with a company of the left Battalion. At 10.6 a.m. on the 8th inst congratuations were the 10th Brigade and conveyed to my company received from as per my message marked Cn. commanders Message marked Dr from myself is correct, and havine in view the unsatisfactory nature of the advance of the Brigade on the left and the repleted numbers of the 37th Battalion (some 90 rifles) as reported to me by Major STORE Pigeon messages E, E2 and F are not mine, nor was anyone authorised to despatch such alarming messages. Regarding message Gr this hardly applies to myself, for 1 did not leave the BLACK LINE or its immediate vicinity except when I went to the ADVANCED ESTAMINET to get in touch with the Brigade and advise them of the position. On this being done I at once returned to another shell hole near the BLACK LINE and right throughout the operation I maintained the most forward Battalion Headquarters of either the 10th or 1lth Brigade, and was personally intouch with each of my companies. It is admitted that there was difficulty in maintaining touch with companies, except by runners and these In all I was shelled out of four suffered many casualties. separate shell holes in my endeavours to be as close as possible to my command, and these difficulties do not appear to be appreciated. Reference paras 16 and 17 of my own Brigadier- General, these 1 understand befor to the alarming pigeon messages of which I had no knowledge until shewn them at DOULLEU on the 19th instant. I certainly never for a moment entertained such views as conveyed in these scraps of paper. Re para 18. I would beg to refer to my orders issued prior to the advance wherein provision was made under the several heads. would crave permission to be paraded before the Divisional Commanders. amindg 2 Lt-Col. Commanding 44th Battalion AIT. Ence- have bin 1 fom hitus. 4 Copirs lusger.
21/6/171 Interoins with Slol Smith at 10th Bde H.Q. Dls Smith states Did send order of 8.35 am to Story Leptruche at 10.10; H.Q at Ads. Stammnst- Nettalim reached Back Line at midday Did not move H.A. toward till 8th & then moved to shellhole in No Maus Land On mony 9t c? ho went toward, with B.M. about 1 a.m. many to Elds. Byl H.d. to neat Schutzel. bould not fee this to speak on phone 4.8 non About 10.40 on 8th established forward int No MarsLand & was himself 150 gd in Advance, in vicinty of Ulna Switch. Did not get up to black line on 7 of barrage. considered it in advisable to shift H.Q. Fnother forwad. At 1 am. on 8th cilled a Davn – why and he hadnt estibited a H.8. Sent to Major Story to get him to select an Adr. H.Q. At 10.40 in 8th sent fi Story. He came down about 2 the Was then undr the impression that he was in the freen line He said he was buck toward or on the black lime on 8th Asked b a sapper & 6men to contrct a H.Q. furthr ahead. this was refused by Bgde. as 28t of received an order to come back & resstablish at Mher Irtamnat until forward H.Q. was fit to occupation Lot back about 6.30 (on 8th) . Mandridg jounel ie thes. After tacking to Byor he wait back message M.C. 300 & then went up to shell hote ir. Rect Schnitzel &established a H.Qin a strall hole with ItCot Maisbudg
On right of 8th at about 11.30 Byd sent a message asking who desponsible for 37 - not got out frea line t replied - giving stoy's reply & you instructions to him- didnt mention name. I believ stong accepted responsibilty. Manstridgetold him Byd. appeared satisfied but didnt nsture of report not whethe it was true He belived that both Hattalian wrr both on the preenline He now believe they were not on the freen line.- Relief 9 37th & 49th by 43 was completed by about 8 a.m. 9th Apter 3 a.m. a 8th, 3 people were getting the same message. Claims that until then responsibilty wa not defined. Did Hel prive any order for D co 40th to more from Commt 10.0.37th - Byds doe not remember dong so.- Story informed him $ at 2am. O. Pth that DC 80th had been taken away - by Brigade. - Docon't know If this was truce. - But an office of 40th is supposed to have told story.
Trent. R.J.D. Caane B Cay 40th Bln stakes. O Cay of the 40th Battn arrived at it's objective about 3.35 pm. on the 7th and immediately commenced so dig in. about 3.45 pm the acroplane called for flares and there were lit. Tby were also lit at the appointed time. We were in toucl with D Cay 37th Bartn on our left for several hours and as fas as I could see the line ran as laid down. we connected up with the Battn on our right by means of a liasson N.C.O. From a wood near the RIVER. DOUVE we were subjected to heavy Hachine Eun fine and later from the direction of the POTTER IES. she fire from this latter duition was not heavy. There were at least 2 bachine tims in the wood mentioned above Betweee about 5pm and 7 pm shills from our own articieny were drapping bath close in front of + just to the near at our pasition, in the line which we were consolidating. so the west of my recollection this ceased about 7 p.m. although I did not notice it myseex, N.C.S and men at my Company have hold me that our own vavage was put in rear at our line later in the evening, a period having elapsed between this and she shelling just referred so, and that it was is dwving partion at least at the time accupied in our withdrawal from the GREEN so the BLACK line, and they attribute sevinal casualities we received during that with drawal to our own artillery fire. at about gpin is appeared to me that some four hundred yards or so so the left our bouisge was falling on or near ion of the 3 the line accupied by p
10 on perceiving the 37th Br with drawing sent an N.C.0 to Hajor 810Rx for instructions and on receiving from him in reply an order to withdraw so the BLACN. LINE. did so at once. This was between about 945 and 10.15 pm. Sgn f Jouney 24/61
I am sorry these are not enued but it was the thimest wool could get here, wanted to send ter quickly ltle. Mrs Hardd Grimwade. compliments 22/6/1
NB A4. 1 Heasquates 10h At Adi Forwarding herewith written statement in connection with certair questions fut to io by DC. 3 Hust Devision & marked pces 1t6. Attacted thereto are. Chro page of statement by feend Murdoak McNecol 9210. Toane 11 .. FBing lother I moved like to have forwardd mett the conexondeore further parkenlary but as thas correrpontence is required at Devision by 12 Midday today & the 37th Sn had to shipt to anoter bullet. Lted More froom REGINA at 8A.M. I was noable to complets. I were send in further particulars in a Sufflementary statement Sonett Gfe l03 3rd A.D. orwarding Cal Lishi's report. M. Hannay MClucall B.G. 33.6.17

44th Battalion
20.6.17.
Headquarters

20 Jun 1917

AUSTRALIAN INFANTRY BRIGADE
Headquarters

11th Infantry Brigade.
In answer the to the adverse report "in not
reporting on the position and work of the 44th Battalion whilst
under the orders of the 10th Brigade, I respectfully submit
that the 10th Brigade were advised at 8.45 a.m. that we ware
in touch with the 48th Battalion, who were consolidating OWL
TRENCH, as per my message marked "A". Again sketch and
message was despatched at 9.30 a.m. as per my message marked
"B" stating definitely that I had joined up with a company of
the left Battalion.
At 10.6 a.m. on the 8th inst congratulations were
receivedfrom the 10th Brigade and conveyed to my company
commanders as per my message marked "C".
Message marked "D" from myself is correct, and having
in view the unsatisfactory nature of the advance of the Brigade
on the left and the depleted numbers of the 37th Battalion
(some 90 rifles) as reported to me by Major STOREY.
Pigeon messages E, E2 and F are not mine, nor was
anyone authorised to despatch such alarming messages.
Regarding message "G" this hardly applies to
myself, for 1 did not leave the BLACK LINE or its immediate
vicinity except when I went to the ADVANCED ESTAMINET to get
in touch with the Brigade and advise them of the position.
On this being done I at once returned to another shell hole
near the BLACK LINE and right throughout the operation I
maintained the most forward Battalion Headquarters of either
the 10th or 1lth Brigade, and was personally intouch with
each of my companies. It is admitted that there was difficulty
in maintaining touch with companies, except by runners and these
suffered many casualties. In all I was shelled out of four
separate shell holes in my endeavours to be as close as
possible to my command, and these difficulties do not appear
to be appreciated.
Reference paras 16 and 17 of my own Brigadier-
General, these 1 understand refer to the alarming pigeon
messages of which I had no knowledge until shewn them at
DOULIEU on the 19th instant. I certainly never for a moment
entertained such views as conveyed in these scraps of paper.
Re para 18, I would beg to refer to my orders issued
prior to the advance wherein provision was made under the
several heads.
would crave permission to be paraded before the
Divisional Commanders.
W. O. Mansbridge.
Lt-Col.
Commanding 44th Battalion AIT.
Encl-
1 [[?]]
1 [[?]]
4 Copies msges. 

 

21/6/17
Interviews with Lt Col. Smith
at 10th Bde H.Q.
Dls Smith - states:
Did send order of 8.35 am to Story. -
Left trench at 10.10; H.Q at Ad. Estaminet
Battalion reached Black Line at midday
Did not move H.Q. toward till 8th & then
moved to xxxxx shellhole in No Man's Land
On evg of 7th On morng. of 8th xx went toward, with A.M. about 1 a.m.
moving to Elds. Bgde H.Q. to near Schintzel.
Could not get thro' to speak on phone
About 10.40 a.m. on 8th established H.Q. forward into No Man's Land
& was himself 150 yds in advance, in vicinity
of Ulna Switch. —
Did not get up to black line on 7 of barrage. -
Considered it inadvisable to shift H.Q. further forward.
At 1 am. on 8th called on Davis – who said he hadn't
established a H.Q.
Sent to Major Story to get him to select an Adv. H.Q.
At 10.40 in 8th sent for Story. He came down about 2 – the
Was then under the impression that he was in the green line
He said he was back toward or on the black line
on 8th Asked for a sapper & 6 men to construct a H.Q. further ahead; this
was refused by Bgde. -
^In aft of 8th Received an order to come back & reestablish at Ads Estaminet
until forward H.Q. was fit for occupation
Got back about 6.30 (on 8th). Mansbridge joined me there. After
talking to Bgde. he went back
Recd. message M.C. 300 & then went up to shell hole W. of
Schnitzel & established a H.Q in a shell hole with Lt Col.
Mansbridge.

 

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On night of 8th at about 11.30 Bgde sent a message
asking who responsible for 37th - not got out green line
[[?]] replied - giving Story's reply & your instructions to him -
didn't mention name.
I believe Story accepted responsibility.
Mansbridge told him Bgd. appeared satisfied but
didn't [[ ?ture]] of report nor whether it was true
He believed that both Battalions were both on the green line
He now believes they were not on the green line.-
[Relief of 37th & 44th by 43rd was completed by about 8 a.m.
on 9th]
After 3 a.m. on 8th, 3 people were getting the same message.
Claims that until then responsibility was not defined.
Did Hqrs give any order for D Co 40th to more from Commt
of C.O. 37th — Bgd does not remember doing so.-
Story informed him xxx at 2 a.m. on. 8th that D Co
40th had been taken away - by Brigade. - Doesn't know
If this was true. - But an officer of 40th is supposed
to have told Story. 

 

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Lieut. R.J.D. Leane "D" Coy 40th Btn states-:
"D" Coy of the 40th Battn arrived at its objective
about 3.35 pm. on the 7th and immediately commenced
to dig in. About 3.45 pm the aeroplane called for
flares and there were lit. They were also lit at
the appointed time.
We were in touch with "D" Coy 37th Battn
on our left for several hours and as far as I
could see the line ran as laid down.
We connected up with the Battn on our right
by means of a liaison N.C.O.
From a wood near the RIVER. DOUVE we
were subjected to heavy Machine Gun fire
and later from the direction of the POTTERIES.
the fire from this latter direction was
not heavy. There were at least 2 Machine
Guns in the wood mentioned above.
Between about 5pm and 7 pm shells
from our own artillery were dropping
both close in front of & just to the rear at
our position, in the line which we were
consolidating.
To the best of my recollection this
ceased about 7 p.m. although I did not
notice it myself, N.C.Os and men at my
Company have hold me that our own
barrage was put in rear at our line later
in the evening, a period having elapsed
between this and she shelling just referred
to, and that it was so during portion at
least at the time occupied in our withdrawal
from the GREEN so the BLACK line, and
they attribute several casualties we
received during that withdrawal to our
own artillery fire.
At about 9 p.m. it appeared to me
that some four hundred yards or so to the
left our barrage was falling on or near
the line occupied by portion of the 37th Bn.

 

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on perceiving the 37th Bn withdrawing
I sent an N.C.0 to Major STORY for instructions
and on receiving from him in reply an order
to withdraw to the BLACK LINE. did so at
once. This was between about 9.45 and
10.15 pm.
Sgn R J Leane
22/6/17
 

 

I am sorry these are not thinner
but it was the thinnest wool I
could get here, wanted to send them
quickly
With Mrs Harold Grimwade.'s
compliments
22/6/17 

 

37th Bn A.I.F.
Headquarters 10th At Bde
Forwarding herewith written
statement in connection with
certain questions put to me by
G .O.C. 3rd Aust Division & marked
pages 1 to 6. Attached thereto
are: Copy of 
page 7 of statement by Lieut. Murdock
   "       8            "                       "     McNeal
   "       9 & 10.   "                       "     Leane
   "       11            "                       "     Sgt Rosing & Others
I would like to have forwarded with
the correspondence further particulars
but as this correspondence is required
at Division by 12 Midday today
& the 37th Bn had to shift to another
bullet. Lt More froom "REGINA"
at 8A.M. I was unable to complete.
I were send in further
particulars in a supplementary
statement
M B Smith
CO
3rd Bn
3rd A.D.
Forwarding Cal Lishi's report.
M. Ramsay McLucall B.G.
23.6.17
 

 
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