Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 15, 10 May - 9 June 1917, Part 10

Conflict:
First World War, 1914–18
Part of Quest:
Sir John Monash (General, b.1865 - d.1931)
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  • Documents and letters
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(o OPI) s0/S/I7. From A.P.M. 3rd Australian Division. To Officer-in-charge, French Mission, 3rd Aust. Division. 23/5/17. I am instructed by Major General MONASH, Commanding 3rd Australian Division, to forward a request that all estaminets, farms, and private houses situated in NIEPPE, PONT DE NIEPPE and Otff de HOLLANDE may be forbidden to sell or supply any liquor to British Troops from June lst to June lOth inclusive. This is oonsidered necessary for the good of the troops in view of certain important operations during which it is essential that the troops should have no chance of obtaining too much drink. I trust you will be able to obtain the necessary authority from your Chief. (Sd) HENRY E. DERING, Major Assistant Provost Marshal, 3rd Australian Division. -2 MISSION MLLITAIRE FRANCIISE, 3e Don Australienne, 23/5/17. Transmis a Monsieur l'officier interprete attache an 24 ANZAC. L'officier Interprete 3 ol DE GAIL. S.D.S. 2 Armee No. 974 AL/4 -3- : May, 1917 MISSLON MLLITAIRE FRANCAISE, attachee a No. 975/AL/4 L'Armee Brtiannique, Sous-Direction de la 2e Armee. to P.M. 2nd Army. The French regulations do not permit to put out of bounds the estaminets of a whole area as long as there is nothing to reprove. - The only way to meet your A.P.M's wishes, would be to issue an order prohibiting to all ranks the entrance in the estaminets - But no notices will have to be posted on the
Page 2. (Copy) 30/5/17. estaminets, neither any sanction taken against the owners of the estaminets. - Men only can be punished for trespassing a military order. (Sd) ? MILLAND. - CONFLDENTIAL SE CRET Sec. Army No. A.P.19 28/5/17. A. 1. The attached memo signed by Major Sir HENRY DERING, A.P.M. 3rd Australian Division, has been handed to me by French Mission Second Army. 2. I beg to draw attention to the mention of dates in connection with operations and to the fact that the memo is not marked secret. 3. I have at different times received verbal reports from A.P.M. II ANZAC commenting adversely on Major Sir H. DERING's suitability for the appointment he holds. 4. I am of opinion that an officer who can commit such an indiscretion at the present time is unsuited for employment in the forward area. ace (d) W.A. otoch P.M. Second Army. 27/5/17. -5 Second Army SE OR ET A.P. 23. Headquarters 2nd ANZAC Corps. Forwarded for your information. The memorandum of the A.P.M. 3rd Australian Division was a most indiscrete one to have written. The Army Commander would be glad of your opinion as to whether it is considered desirable to retain this officerin his appointment. (Sd) G.S.BURDET, Lieut-Colonel, 28/5/17. A.A.G., Second Army.
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GOC.

This which you spoke once

of. It is generally known or rather

expected that something will happen

before 15th June so Corps may well

take back a serious view as you expect.

If a new man is wanted the type to

look for is, I think, a man who

is a good organizer has good ideas of

discipline & procedure & the fitness

of things lots of energy a good

nose marker & prepared to keep a

stiff upper lip Hes a little unpopular

tho not lacking in xxx  tact.

Moreover he should not be ambitious

as it is a back water job.

Names that suggest themselves are 

as follows,

Massie)   

Cooke Russell)    

Blenklow)    
Knight)
Barrie)
Lamden)
all good but mostly
2nds in command &
wanted for other work

Everett 42nd Bn. Slight shall work perhaps
but I dont know this
man

PTO

 

Fenelly of Pioneers doubtful

Stanniford Smith Possible perhaps.

Brissenden. Hard but knows

nothing of loses. Pretty good

A Gunner who is old & not likely

to improve but has force of

character. C.R.A. unique & able

to suggest./.

[[EJ?]]

 

(COPY) 30/5/17.

From A.P.M.

3rd Australian Division.

To Officer-in-charge,

French Mission,

3rd Aust. Division.

23/5/17.

I am instructed by Major General MONASH, Commanding

3rd Australian Division, to forward a request that all estaminets,

farms, and private houses situated in NIEPPE, PONT DE NIEPPE ,

and Clef de HOLLANDE may be forbidden to sell or supply any

liquor to British Troops from June 1st to June 10th inclusive.

This is considered necessary for the good of the troops in view

of certain important operations during which it is essential that

the troops should have no chance of obtaining too much drink.

I trust you will be able to obtain the necessary

authority from your Chief.

(sd) HENRY E. DERING, Major

Assistant Provost Marshal,

3rd Australian Division.

-2-

MISSION MILITAIRE FRANCAISE,

3e Don Australienne,

23/5/17.

Transmis a Monsieur l'officier interprete attache an

2d ANZAC.

L'officier Interprete 3 cl

DE GAIL.

S.D.S.

2 Armee

No. 974 AL/4

-3-

? May, 1917.

MISSION MILITAIRE FRANCAISE

attaches a

L'Armee Briiannique,

Sous-Direction de la 2e Armee
No. 975/AL/4

to P.M.

2nd Army.

The French regulations do not permit to put out of

bounds the estaminets of a whole area as long as there is nothing

to reprove. - The only way to meet your A.P.M's wishes, would

be to issue an order prohibiting to all ranks the entrance in

the estaminets - But no notices will have to be posted on the
 

 

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estaminets, neither any sanction taken against the owners

of the estaminets. - Men only can be punished for trespassing 

a military order.

(Sd) ? MILLARD.  

-4-

CONFIDENTIAL                

SECRET

Sec. Army No. A.P.19

28/5/17.

A.

  1. The attached memo signed by Major Sir HENRY DERING. A.P.M.

3rd Australian Division, has been handed to me by French Mission

Second Army.

2. I beg to draw attention to the mention of dates in connection

with operations and to the fact the memo is not marked

secret.

3. I have at different times received verbal reports from

A.P.M. II ANZAC commenting adversely on Major Sir H.DERING's

suitability for the appointment he holds.

4. I am of opinion that an officer who can commit such an

indiscretion at the present time is unsuited for employment

in the forward area.

(Sd) W.A. TREVOR Lt. - Col.

P.M.

Second Army.

27/5/17.

-5-

SECRET 

Second Army 

A.P. 23.

Headquarters.

2nd ANZAC Corps.

Forwarded for your information.

The memorandum of the A.P.M. 3rd Australian Division

was a most indiscrete one to have written.

The Army Commander would be glad of your opinion as to

whether it is considered desirable to retain this officer in his 

appointment.

(Sd) G.S.BURDET.

Lieut-Colonel.

A.A.G., Second Army,

28/5/17. 
 

 

31/5/17

Conference with B.G.G.S.

1. Wire Cutting
(a)  Front Line  -

Letter ;

4th Div personnel, not doing well

40 mortars, can man only 24

(b) Support Line -

Not a job for H.T.M. - 
too long a front 

too inaccurate       
too vulnerable
we want instants
fuzes with Huns

[cite Aaron]

2. Destructive Bombardment

General uncertainty re 
Guns available )                                                            
Ammunition available ) 
for targets nominated by me.

Responsibility for saying Destruction sufficient seems to rest on us.
I think Heavy Arty. should do this independently.

3. Ammunition
(a) Gas Shell - 10,000, - out of allotment

leaves apparently insufficient destruction.
(b) Raids -  (i) make up 3000 now short

(ii) Want 25000 for 4 raids after today.

(4.)  Distribution of Defensive Batteries

10 more th come on one front, after capture of Black Line
 

 

rounds fired

8 GUNS     12 GUNS  
3rd     4th  
27th  375   27th 22
28 844    28 371
29 530   29 141
30 560    30 264
  2309     798
 

  

Diagram, see original document
MOONLIGHT CHART
Hours of darkness shown shaded. 
E.E.M. 3rd Aust. Div.
31.5.17

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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