Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 13, 16 August - 30 September 1916, Part 6

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Sir John Monash (General, b.1865 - d.1931)
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5 5/7a SEOAI C.R. A.L.F. 6248 (4) 1. To Headquarters 3rd Australian Division. LARKHLLL. In reply to your 32/79 of the 6th inst., the following schedule shows the unit to which the personnel mentioned therein is allotted and the Training Battalion and the location to which the personnel is As suggested by you, 9 a.m. Saturday, 9th posted. September will be a convenient time for the above Arrangements will be made quotas to be handed over. for a Conducting Officer to be in attendance at each Brigade Headquarters. In reference to Br the date on which reinforce- ments for the 3rd Divisicn be provided, this will be notified later. Copepe TGCEO-SATTTTL WTIY (pSS W Brigadler-General. Commanding A.I.F.Depots in the United Kingdom. Bhurtpore Barracks, Tidworth. 7.9.16.
LeLeL. TOTAL MCL. TOTAL LiSTL TOTAL. NDD. TOPAL. SCMEE. TOTAL. 1 TOTAL. IUNDTY 58 58 58 59 59 699 120 120 120 120 480 85 84 254 23 22 90 270 135 26 134 40. 1st pn and Bn 3rd Bn 4th pn 17th mn 18th Bn 19th pn 20th pn 53rd pn 54th Bn 55th Bn S6th hn 5th pn 6th Bn 7th Bn 8th pn 12th pn 15th pn 26th pn 9th Bn Gist Bn 47th Bn 49th Sand Bn 10th pn 16th 27th 3and Sand Mn MUH 28th pn 3and Bn Sist pn 5 517a TREININS EOCIION Br. lst Tre hn Perham Down. 5th Frg Bn Rollestone. 14th Fre M Lark Bill. and Trg Bn Perham Down. 3rd Frg Bn Perham Down. 4th Tre Bn Rollestone. 7th Trg hn Rollestone. 3rd Fre M Perham Down. 8th Tre Bn Lark Hill. 12th Fre Bn Rollestone. 13th Frg Bn Rollestone. 13th Frg pn Rollestone. 3rd Frg Bn. Perham Down. 4th Trg Ba. Rollestone. rth Tre Bn. Rollestone. 8th Trg Bn. Lark Hill. 13th Fre Bn. Rollestane. Fri Frg Mn. LortW. Tth Trg Bn. Rollestone. 8th Tre Bn. Lark Hill. 13th Frg Bn. Rollestone.
101 888821 .0l. 3. 2.A.J 0 GS 10 eore 7 MRALREC 121 Drafts otc/2167 Wth ST IOI ASAMOI MOY 201 Bebre Lerened Golbeglyf Frusalis Sir. Daamod Freao, 1ad Isrered .8 With reference to your latter No 138995 (6) dated 1st September, 1915, 1 an directed to forward for your infermation the attached copies of telegrams despatched to, and received from, the Government of the Commonwealth of Australia. The arrangements made for the despatch of drafts from the 3rd Australian Division are noted. 14 is not proposed to draw further on that formation for drafts than circumstances demand, but from the numbers at present ceming forward, it seens probable that it will ty necessary to draw toome ertert on the 5,460 reported by on as becoping available between the 1st and 15th Oetobey. although is may not be necessary to take the full number. A further communication will however be made to you on this subject at a later date. 1 am, Sir. Your Obedient Servant, Dp) Em. Woodward, Wr. Director of Organisation The General Officer Commanding-in-Chief Bouthern Command SMSONT
J.R.S.C.No. 138895 (6) T. Conen MISitSOM SOMS 3rd AnLnaRlan DiYLepOn. 2133A M POlO MASS GleL TeSoS omared Por You Anc ormation. IKing king Sallebury Drigadier General, General Staff, Southern Command. 718128. ass6l ae ot ceserte 1 botas (0) ceesel on woy not Basrret of betpevis as 1,6IAL, rednatges tal of bedetagaes exerselef f peises bedastts et nelaroiat 2o aeed ant pe Gamered a, aort berleeer bas Calfortant nors asrens to dessteed of not ahad astmegems a aboten ars HolIi allore D t aoltarret tadt he vedtent vart ot besegorg tes ol 11 areds ot nerl And, bases aeasmeie sadt atte rot Lt il tadt eldadery enses tl, Berret palae Iase i wexb of vrsasceen a betreess ot e redoted ar?I pas Jal edt recuted ofdalleys salgeoad as sev suver leofed esa at aa e san pai a weashle at ob of revewed Liy aead re otas vatal a ts resles ald so nerged Iaethede se Dnvaibos W. aoIaalnear to reteed TeSITO Lered SAT TOLAD-HL-GAIBRSNOD SAEMMOD ATSAISO MSORS
10588 WAR OFTICE LOHDON W. 22420 11/9/26 COLMANDETH SALISBURY 7.35 p.M. Al For Action 8.5 p.M. NA RO H PO IN TLMOLEON. Timoleon 1183 A.G. LA eleventh to Commandeth Salisbury begins aaa (138995) Your letter C.R.S.C. 138955 first aaa Numbers reported therein as available by September 2lst should be held in readiness to embark for France on receipt of instructions from Searail aaa Telegraph Timeleon urgent the battalions in France they should reinforce giving numbers for each battalion having regard to demands in my 966 A.G.24 6th aaa Acknowledge aaa
C.R..3.C.. 238888 (A.2). General Officer Conmanding, 3rd Australlan Division. CALNROAND CnonaD The attaoned tlegran -Tinlam 1183 A.O.2.A. of 11th instant, marked A, is forwarded for necessary action. Pleage reply by vearer tiring the miabers of the Battalions in France which should be reinforced by the 1398 men referred to in your 8.79/1 dated ist September 1916, as being ready for the 2ist September, from the 33rd, 34in, 37th, 30th, 4and and 44th Battalions of your Division and the numbers of men you propose to send to each. A copy of Timolson sf telegran to General Officer Comanding, Australian Training Centre, No.966 A.6.2. a. of 6th instant, marked Br is also forwarded for reference. Mis telegran is apperently moted as a culde to the proportional requirements of each Pattalton. A copy of the telegraphie anewer of Salaustrar to Rincleon, marked C, is also appended so that you can see what response has already been made to denands. Mese mmbors hare since been ordered to be hald in readinges. M SALISBORT. for ColoneL, A.A.C. 12-9-16. Southern Conmand.
EEEED AUSTRALIY PITISSON Divisional Hoadquarters. 12th September 1916. (N0 8.79/1 C ASFI Reedmarters. Southern Comand. 1t is feared that attached matter is referred to me in error. The 1399 Infantry trafts referred to in my a 79/1 of ist instant as ready for service abroad by Elst September have since that date, in parsnance of your orders of and September 1916, 3/3/7d, been with others transferred by me to the A.L.F. Training Centre, and the fact of the completion of such transfer has already been reported to you in my telegram of 9th instant (my number 91381. These troops have therefore passed out of my bentrol, and under the control of the G.O.C., A.L.T. Depots at Tidworth, and have, I believe, been distributed by him, to his several training Battalions, in accordance with their territorial crigin. With reference to copy of telegram, marked C from SALAUSTRA to COMLMETH, I desire to draw attention to the later report by this authority, that he will have ready for service, by 30th September, 7400 men (Infantry onlyl- see his C.R., A.I.T. 6248 (41 of 31st August 1916. on your files.- This appears to be exclusive of the men recently transferred by me to him. Im. Major General. Commanding 3rd Anstrallan Division. By Despateh Ander 20
Eegt From Telegran W21698 619116 From W.O. Battalin 470 245 310 3 445 + 5 295 52 360 or 262 262 205 Dr 270 10 230 t 53 225 £20 21 100 22 370 23 300 190 24 152 25 26 243 27 138 347 28t 484 14t 326 51 320 46r8 250 294 450 5p 220 316 290 540 13 100 52 200 47 395 48 505 16 522 49t 70 929 Pavitatle From Telegran 4.244 Balaychra Commanded) 93 118 118 103 176 176 173 170 76 42 54 120 701 60 28 142 130 95 75 100 55 49 55 65 50 6 24 Rt Forward 9497 50 Br 310 125 29 150 30 322 363 522 32 499 53 54 376 206 55 56 89 80 57 370 58 10 614 59 6o 656 Totals. 13702 st Reoner 250 2nd 220 4t 240 100 1324 60 10 40 12:9:16 avail o6 Sept 22 39 24 5 33 26 22 18 16 20 10 2671 107 28 006
(N0W42/51 SAtMN TLIED AUSERALIAN DIULSION Divisi al Headquarter LARKHLLL, 12th September, 1916. RedMrterS Southern Command, SALISBURY. Kith reference to the recent visit of inspection of Major-General Sir Francis Heward to this Division. I should be elad to be supplied with a copy of his report on his inspection, if this course is permissable. Im Major-General Commanding 3rd Australian Division.
A 15 SEP. 1916 No. S42451 LAIH The Field Marshal Commanding-in-Chief The Heme Forces. Herewith my report on the 3rd Australian Divisien, quartered at Larkhill, and its Pieneer Battalien. (Sd.) Francis Heward, Majer General, Inspecter of Infantry. 27th August, 1916. C.R.S.C. 48557/40. (6). General Officer Commanding, 3rd Australian Division. CDDLDDDDL Forwarded for your infermation. Y. BugKing Brigadier-General, SALISBURY, General Staff, Southern Command. 14th September, 1916.

5 5/7Q
SECRET
n.      C.R. A.I.F. 6248 (A)
To Headquarters
3rd Australian Division.
LARKHILL.
In reply to your S2/7Q of the 6th inst.,
the following schedule shews the unit to which the
personnel mentioned therein is allotted and the Training
Battalion and the location to which the personnel is
posted. As suggested by you, 9 a.m. Saturday, 9th
September will be a convenient time for the above
quotas to be handed over. Arrangements will be made
for a Conducting Officer to be in attendance at each
Brigade Headquarters.
In reference to "B" the date on which 
reinforcements for the 3rd Division be provided, this will be
notified later.
[*(Sgn.) Alf. M. Phillips, - Capt.
D.A.A.G.*]
for Brigadler-General.
Commanding A.I.F. Depots in the United Kingdom.
Bhurtpore Barracks,
Tidworth.
7.9.16.

 

5 5/7Q

STATE. NUMBERS. NEW UNIT
ALLOTTED TO.		 TRAINING
BN.		 LOCATION.
N.S.W. 58. 1st Bn         )    
  58 2nd Bn       ) 1st Trg Bn Perham Down.
  58 3rd Bn        )    
  58 4th Bn        )    
         
  58 17th Bn       )    
  58 18th Bn       ) 5th Trg Bn Rollestone.
  58 19th Bn       )    
  58 20th Bn      )    
         
  59 53rd Bn      )    
  59 54th Bn      ) 14th Trg Bn Lark Hill.
  59 55th Bn      )    
  58 56th Bn      )    
TOTAL 699      
VICT. 120 5th Bn        )    
  120 6th Bn        ) 2nd Trg Bn Perham Down.
  120 7th Bn        )    
  120 8th Bn        )    
TOTAL 480      
TAS'IA 85 12th Bn       3rd Trg Bn Perham Down.
  85 15th Bn     4th Trg Bn Rollestone.
  84 26th Bn     7th Trg Bn Rollestone.
TOTAL. 254      
Q'NSD 23 9th Bn 3rd Trg Bn Perham Down.
  22 21st Bn 8th Trg Bn Lark Hill.
  45 47th Bn 12th Trg Bn Rollestone.
  90 49th Bn 13th Trg Bn Rollestone.
  90 52nd Bn 13th Trg Bn Rollestone.
TOTAL. 270      
S.AUST. 27 10th Bn 3rd Trg Bn Perham Down.
  27 16th Bn 4th Trg Bn Rollestone.
  27 27th Bn 7th Trg Bn Rollestone.
  27 32nd Bn 8th Trg Bn Lark Hill.
  27 52nd Bn 13th Trg Bn Rollestone.
TOTAL. 135      
W.AUST. 54 11th Bn 3rd Trg Bn Perham Down.
  26 28th Bn 7th Trg Bn Rollestone.
  27 32nd Bn 8th Trg Bn Lark Hill.
  27 51st Bn 13th Trg Bn Rollestone.
TOTAL.  134      

 

SOUTHERN COMMAND
7 SEPT.1916

CENTRAL REGISTRY
121/Drafts etc/2167   6th September 1916
Sir.
With reference to your letter No 138995 (G) dated
1st September, 1916, I am directed to forward for your
information the attached copies of telegrams despatched to,
and received from, the Government of the Commonwealth of
Australia.
The arrangements made for the despatch of drafts from
the 3rd Australian Division are noted.
It is not proposed to draw further on that formation
for drafts than circumstances demand, but from the numbers
at present coming forward, it seems probable that it will be
necessary to draw to some extent on the 5,460 reported by
you as becoming available between the 1st and 15th October.
Although it may not be necessary to take the full number.
A further communication will however be made to you
on this subject at a later date.
1 am,
Sir.
Your Obedient Servant,
(Sgd) E.M. Woodward. M.G.
Director of Organization
The General Officer
Commanding-in-Chief
Southern Command
Salisbury

 

C.R.S.C.No. 138995 (6)
The General Officer Commanding
3rd Australian Division.

Forwarded for your information.
Salisbury    23 King King
Brigadier General,
7/9/16
General Staff, Southern Command.

 

(COPY)
WAR OFFICE LONDON            W.22420
COMMANDETH SALISBURY   11/9/26
A1 For Action                               7.35 p.m.
"Q" "O" "G" for Infm                    8.5 p.m.
TIMOLEON.
Timoleon 1183 A.G. 2A eleventh to Commandeth Salisbury
begins aaa
Your letter C.R.S.C. 138955 (138995) first aaa
Numbers reported therein as available by September 2lst
should be held in readiness to embark for France on receipt
of instructions from Searail aaa
Telegraph Timoleon urgent the battalions in France they
should reinforce giving numbers for each battalion having
regard to demands in my 966 A.G.2A 6th aaa
Acknowledge aaa

 

C.R., S.C., 138995 (A.1).
General Officer Commanding,
3rd Australian Division.


The attached telegram "Timoleon" 1183 A.G.2.A. of
11th instant, marked "A", is forwarded for necessary action.
Please reply by bearer giving the numbers of the
Battalions in France which should be reinforced by the 1398
men referred to in your Q.79/1 dated 1st September 1916,
as being ready for the 2ist September, from the 33rd, 34th,
37th, 39th, 42nd and 44th Battalions of your Division and the
numbers of men you propose to send to each.
A copy of "Timoleon s" telegram to General Officer
Commanding, Australian Training Centre, No.966 A.G.2.a. of 6th
instant, marked "B" is also forwarded for reference.
This telegram is apparently quoted as a guide to the
proportional requirements of each Battalion.
A copy of the telegraphic answer of "Salaustra" to
"Timeleon", marked"C", is also appended so that you can see
what response has already been made to demands. These
numbers have since been ordered to be held in readiness.
[[?[[
for ColoneL, A.A.G.
Southern Conmand.

SALISBURY
12-9-16.

 

THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION
Divisional Headquarters.
12th September 1916.

HEADQUARTERS

No. Q.79/1
THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION
Headquarters.
Southern Command.
It is feared that attached matter is
referred to me in error.
The 1398 Infantry drafts referred to
in my Q 79/1 of 1st instant as ready for service abroad by
2lst September have since that date, in pursuance of your
orders of 2nd September 1916, 3/3/7Q, been with others
transferred by me to the A.I.F. Training Centre, and the
fact of the completion of such transfer has already been
reported to you in my telegram of 9th instant (my number
Q/138).
These troops have therefore passed
out of my control, and under the control of the G.O.C.,
A.I.F.. Depots at Tidworth, and have, I believe, been
distributed by him, to his several training Battalions, in
accordance with their territorial origin.
With reference to copy of telegram,
marked C from SALAUSTRA to COMMANDETH, I desire to draw
attention to the later report by this authority, that he will
have ready for service, by 30th September, 7400 men (Infantry
only) - see his C.R., A.I.F. 6248 (a1 of 31st August 1916,
on your files.- This appears to be exclusive of the men
recently transferred by me to him.
J.M.
Major General.
Commanding 3rd Australlan Division.
By Despatch Rider
1.20 PM

 

12/9/16

    No Regt
From Telegram
W 21698
6/9/16		 No Available
From Telegram
A.244
(Salaustra
to Commandeth)		 Bt Forward 9497 Avail
16 Sept
1st Battalion 470 93 50th Bn 310 -
2nd       " 245 118 29 125 22
3rd       " 310 118 30 150 39
4th       " 445 103 31st 363 24
5th       " 295 176 32 522 5
6th       " 52 176 53 494 33
7th       " 360 173 54 376 26
8th       " 262 170 55 206 22
9th       " 262 76 56 89 18
10th       " - 42      
11th       " 205 54 57 80 16
12th   270 120 58 310 20
17th   - 70      
18th   230 60 59 614 9
19th   53 28 60 656 10
20   225 142      
21   100 130 Totals 138702 2671
22   370 95      
23   300 75 1st Pioneer 250 107
24   190 100 2nd    220 28
25   152 - 4 240 -
26   243 55 5 100 -
27   138 4 132 60  
28th   347 49 42 10  
[[?]]   484        
14th   326 -      
51st   320        
46 M 250 294 55      
45 2 P 220 316 65      
13 4 240 540 -      
5 100
52   200 50      
47   395 6      
48   505 24      
16   522 -      
49th   70 -      
    9497        

 

 

HEADQUARTERS

G42/17
CONFIDENTIAL
THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION
Divisional Headquarters
LARKHILL, 12th September, 1916.
Headquarters
Southern Command,
SALISBURY.
Kith reference to the recent visit of inspection of
Major-General Sir Francis Howard to this Division. I should be
glad to be supplied with a copy of his report on his inspection,
if this course is permissable.
JM
Major-General
Commanding 3rd Australian Division.

 

HEADQUARTERS
15 SEP. 1916

No. G42/51
THIRD AUSTRALIAN DIVISION
to

The Field Marshal Commanding-in-Chief
The Home Forces.

Herewith my report on the 3rd Australian Division,
quartered at Larkhill, and its Pioneer Battalion.
(Sd.) Francis Howard,
Major General,
Inspector of Infantry.
27th August, 1916.
C.R.S.C. 48557/40. (G).
General Officer Commanding,
3rd Australian Division.
-------
Forwarded for your information.
M King King
Brigadier-General,
General Staff, Southern Command.
SALISBURY

14th September, 1916.

 
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