Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 10, 12 November - 18 November 1915, Part 13

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First World War, 1914–18
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Sir John Monash (General, b.1865 - d.1931)
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14 7 XA Army Form C. 2121. Ar Form. TAMN MESSAGES AND SIGNALS. Charge Roed at This message is on a/c of Otfce of Origin and Service instructions. o Sent n I Do 2 BY natare O TTANKInE OMCE.) 7 Bde. bif 4. Austin T0 LroHM MA EMeGEunte AAA 16 Bun 653 i to night for perwood Te boope held by Section the PARIE is Brigade this of hos 1620 Seefow Lang 16004 Bde From N.L. Luf. Place Time 154½ he The above may be forwarded as now corrected (2) 100l Moyr Amiire of Men &Bygfry aypopes GCGTWMOMe Cencor. This line should be crased if not required (6880) MCC. & Co. Lid, London— WILIAZGIl. 22,600. 415 Forms O2eIa
LAYTONDNL OPow Onslone MESSAGES AND SIGNALS. No of Mossage— Oco Samr OAAMEWPS "0 4 28 B6 ENESMAMNENN rigade. 1611 Recotrod 2 5 Handed in at. f the Iste TANNE DATAT JCON SeACORENTN AAA Wm B37/ 1620 D 82 received Password Fhom OC No L Sublection PLAOKETIME 214 Fo on anno M A.A.MFwnn
O Pom Dnslone LTTPONDN MESSAGES AND SIGNALS. Na of Mossage OAJAN OAANPEOWPES 406 $8 2205 W7 B4 3 AAMESHMMon C 2249 iit handed in at HBo Major Ee H 2o Sender's Number AAA Bm 1622 16 4A426 1720 HHH 1620 received BN oversight and delay Regiet FROM urrants 1ost PLAOKATHN 2200 WM MoPad 8L. A.B.L-FormMM
Army Form O. 2121. Car Form. MESSAGES ANDSYGNALS. No. d Vecaro Reod at Dr meenge is m ase of oAM w a mt and tom hor Det tot b &5 tt or H 6. L.427 20 U (Signature of Franking Omoer 7 Diepositfon 40. 1 Sub Soottor AtAt 70 16thPirth Nepember. AEGWN MAAMANT EenIE (a) No. 2 Sub-edOHLONAAA - INFORMATION Ghen(Tire-Firins From 1830 to 3400. TI) No patrots. (44) Canterbury pn. patrallfag to thei (01 Frent 1900 to 2300. Password - PARIS. to) right (e) seruo cutting party INTENMON (2) of 1344 1830 t0 1000. 14th Sp. to patrol AGHTL DERE (6) Patrels Fren 2100 4111 8286 and Fror 0330 to 0430. 40d to Feturp via right pf 13th to 10270 14th Ba. Bn., reporting to Q.C. Nc. 1 Pest on return. art Cast. NAdSptant, 13th 52 Issuedat 1710. Boe. Hegrs. 1 Cepy 4o Canterbury 2 do. 16th Bn. No. 1 Post Na. 2 Past No. 5 Pest O. C. N.2.f. File From Place O The An mey to Iare at M Criatt (2) Stenature of Addresser or person anthoried to te legraph in his nama c This line should be crased I not required. (082) —MCO. & Co. Ltd, London — W 1140OpOS. 100,000. 21s. Forms O2a1a
N62 Peg Pectien £101 550 ACHYL DERE 1671-15 Departion No 2 Soe Soctior put 16/17 NoY 11 O78 I have a speial watch from Nensoy5 and Bects) keeping at look out ont RE [Pt2e suspiciars places] where Turkish patrots 444 are suspected of coming down cutel we can gain further information no patrol well fe going and pem. 16] lnes. Etenen unt to Au tg pa WIlE out in pont of 167 Pr lines from FIXILIC 1830 to 2400 PAKICE at a 1 WM. Pep Soctiar 0 ACIIYL DERE -1720 16-11-15 Disperilion of No F3 Sectin for eught 16 17 An 15 Urgent Fleation of Fo2 86 76 Ding to assence oclondso protability of clear monlighy ught CAH CIBOS Op Engineers desires that 1ara. 2. Appestian (No 2 Ses Sictian shenld read (lpr2 Were pxing party WeE FMIE eon will be ont in from Bylies from 0230 to 6000 1ACX Clean acknow ledge DD
40. c Pow Conolonc MTTRENSN MESSAGES AND SIGNALS. Na of Message. Charges to Pay. Office Stamp. Oac Manded in al D45 te M SAMon TNOAGWONON Bae Opte Sub para tat plied com FRom ubsector PLAORATIME t mewPads al. A B.Led-FermCAI
TO. PoN, DSSo TS MESSAGES AND SIGNALS. Nao L OAAREWPE Office S 112 Surtes Muaone 12 Handed in at. m. Received Fourt Bde WEONTWSNANSSE FoNSer ONINIS DASANO aad AA42 31 1627 Notic TrON Durrants Post PLAORATME 1820 WM E MARd MIL A.B.L- FerMIM AFONS BSS L ASSNE MBSAGES AND SIGNALS. No. A Mossaso Received SONL, OEHSSTOn [ OMeO StamS ao from A Charges to collect Service Instructions Handed in at 13d 14 SMNACSNENNE SATANON TIOSGWSNANS AAA 7th BM BE 84 cone IXAA Passwork noted id sent pesional be can get we troops 0 before Wo Also an dispositions late Mon iet RACEAMNE W.Aa wowEad MrL S.B.L
34 Beauchop's Hill Nov. 17/15 Confidential N.L.&A. Dev. H.C In reply to N.E.A.A. 531 o 16/11/15:- Inasmuch as the intersts of a number of officers on different Dursious are involved, it is respectfully requested that the question raised by me, and my several letter thereon may be referred, for the favor of a ruling, to higher authority. In view of the letter under reply, may I be permitted to add that even if the action of the Fedent Executive Council were erroneous, it is submitted that Army order 35 of 1915 (Jovens this case and being o more recent date, everides kings Regulations $224 (in/, – the date cosigned respectively to the neverl officers in the London Gazette of July 9/15 being the date of appornt. ent as promotion referred to in such Army Order, and being, in fact, the date of which each of the officers referred to was first af- pointed to the A.1.F. by the Commonwealth Government But I beg to point out that an Executive oprinte by the Gorronar lyshaat in Council, of the Commonwealth is conclusive, & minet be taken to express the deliberate intention of the Communwealth Grven went to frunt promotion in the A.1.P. in the order of precidence stated. - Moreover, this action has been confirmed by the promulgation of these promotions in A.I.F. order, List No 10,5 14/11/15, so that they are actually on full force within the Army Corps Hhukonash Borg Gent Coudy 4th (And/ Inf. Bal
FDor Army Form C. 2121 No. of Message- MESSAGES AND SIGNALS. Worse CRE This Message ts on a/c of: Reed. at Office of erigin &f Service instructions. Date Senice Sent. From (Signature of Frankin Officer) T0 O.C. No. 3 Rst LHthBT (60 M CH W MMSA. Day of Month SSttEFENE AAR OAH3O 17th file is forwarded for your The attached penisal. At 1685 at Dady. 171 13th Br 145 Perned and Chrleb Ie afor Bn 60:14 < C.6.C From 473 Brigade Place Notes Imathment Time The above may be forwarded as now corgcted. 2 N Durrans & 8ot SterAe AIASAESSOIRSPEISSNAMSTES HESSSMIM MISAARE TThis tine should be crased it not teged 13t t 115
17/1/15 Dear Monash You are I know intruested on the Boyscouts. Would you care to give me your his on attached teheme to help me to reply to B. you godly A 1/6
1. my Form C. 212l. MESSAGES AND SIGNALS. Mort Cuse - this mesase is on ase of: Reed. at Ohee AOSSASMME ME th fr Duke 3386 to Ge an Le 260 To 22 SEMMIEOITFTMAKINE OMEOTT/BY etfon 48-sootion, ant 12/ 1842 November SiSS DA AMonE toreet tot aaa INFOREATION (1). No. /2 Sub-section Patre) from Beckg Bluff to CREEN KNOLL 1630 t5 2400. (11) Wire firing from p230 to 1836. (0) Canterbury Bn. PAtTOULR to their Frent O100 to 6400. to Pdssword- CRTORD. INTENTION ((2). 13th Br. Patrel will leaye barricada, IGHYL DERE (at 2000 and 0330 returping vis rigit of 15th Be. a4 2230 and 0445 respectively, reperting to J.C. Ne. I Post of Fethrn. PHesty sapt. Wadsuteft, 13th Batterlon. ismied at 1700. Copy No. Be0 HarO. Canterbury Br. O.C.. No. 2 sub-spetion O.C. No. Post O.C. Np. 2 Post 6o O.C. M 3 Poot, 11104 0) To O.6.s N. 2. t From File. Place The aone may be Corvented as now comcaled 2 Conor.] Doare d pean a rern a ned to wecons to ho a This line should be crased if not re AUSTKRIIAN PERIAY NDRSEp SECTION 157 NOVIYISIS ACAYL DETE 17-1115 1530 4th Inlantry Brigade Dispositions of M 2 D0s Sccan for night 19-18 Nor: 15- 821 16h Br is sending a patiol Wn10 PAIRALS Saen from BECHS PLV 18.30 reeturning at 2100 for purpose of lestening seration of Cxear Krot true Awne fering an P pix men will be put in pat of 157 lines from 0230/ to 0839 Lend Bell do 60 tti No

 “A” Form.            Army Form C. 2121
MESSAGES AND SIGNALS       No. of Message
Prefix      Code     m.
Office of Origin and Service Instructions
Words   Charge
Sent
At       m.
To
By
This message is on a/c of
             Service.
…………………
(Signature of “Franking Officer.”)
Recd. At            m.
Date
From   114
By
TO 4th Austrn Inf Bde.
*Sender’s Number       Day of Month     In reply to Number     AAA
Bm 653                                      16th
The password for tonight in
the section held by troops
of this Brigade is PARIS.
No 1 Sec  } Bm 1620
No 2 Sec } IRing
                    1650 17 X1 15
From  N.Z. Inf Bde
Place
Time  1545
The above may be forwarded as now corrected.
Censor.
(Z) R O Chesney Major
Bde Major
Signature of Addressor or person authorised to telegraph his name.
*This line should be erased if not required.

 

"C" Form (Duplicate).   Army Form C. 2123
MESSAGES AND SIGNALS.    No. of Message
AP    QF/RFS
1000       
Charges to Pay
£     s.      d.
109
Office Stamp
BQ
16/11
Service Instructions
Handed in at           Office       m.  Received 2150 m.
TO  4th Bde
*Sender’s Number        Day of Month    In reply to Number    AAA
QE82                                    16th                        BM1620
Password received
FROM                  OC No 2 Subsection
PLACE & TIME   2147

 

"C" Form (Duplicate).   Army Form C. 2123
MESSAGES AND SIGNALS.    No. of Message
49 B
1000
Charges to Pay
£     s.      d.
2205
BG
CAPD        110
Office Stamp
BQ
16/11/15
Service Instructions
Handed in at     QA      Office       m.  Received 2205 m.
TO   Bde Major 4th Bde
*Sender’s Number      Day of Month    In reply to Number    AAA
QA426                                    16th                        BM1622
BM 1620 received 1720 AAA
Regret oversight and delay
FROM                  Durrants Post
PLACE & TIME   2200

 

“A” Form.            Army Form C. 2121
MESSAGES AND SIGNALS       No. of Message
Prefix      Code      m.
Office of Origin and Service Instructions
Q. A.427.
Words   Charge
Copy No 1
Sent
At       m.
To   To GOC 4th Bde
By
This message is on a/c of
             Service.
(Signature of “Franking Officer.”)
Recd. At            m.
Date
From  113
By
TO Disposition No. 1 Sub-Section - Ni ht
16th/17th November.
*Sender’s Number       Day of Month    In reply to Number    AAA
INFORMATION   (1)     (a)  No. 2 Sub-section
(i)   6 men wire-fixing from 1830 to 2400.
(ii)  No patrols.
(b) Canterbury Bn. patrolling to their
front 1900 to 2300.
(c) Password - PARIS.
INTENTION. (2) (a) Scrub cutting party right
of 13th 1930 to 1000.
(b) 14th Bn. to patrol AGHYL DERE
from 2100 till 2230 and from 0330 to 0430. Patrols
to leave 14th Bn. and to return via right of 13th
Bn., reporting to O.C. No. 1 Post on return.
DGMarks Capt.
A/Adjutant, 13th Bn.
Issued at 1710.
No. 1 Copy - Bde. H'qrs.
       2 do.     - Canterbury
       3            - 16th Bn.
       4            - No. 1 Post
       5               No. 2 Post
       6               No. 3 Post
       7               O.C. N.Z.E.
       8               File
From
Place
Time
The above may be forwarded as now corrected.
Censor.
(Z) 
Signature of Addressor or person authorised to telegraph his name.
*This line should be erased if not required.

 

No. 2 SUB SECTION
AGHYL DERE
16-11-15
16th Bn  ---1530---
Dispositions No 2 SUB SECTION For nights
16 - 17 Nov 15
111
QE 78
1
RE             
PATROLS
I have a special watch from NEWBERRY'S
and BECKS, keeping a look out on
suspicious places, where Turkish patrols
are suspected of coming down AAA
Until we can gain further information no
patrols will be going out from 16TH lines
2
WIRE
FIXING
PARTIES
A wire fixing part of 6 men will be
out in front of 16TH BN lines from
1830 to 2400
4th Bde HQrs  
P A Paull Capt
Adjt 16Bn
  
No. 2 SUB SECTION
AGHYL DERE
16-11-15
16TH                112
---1720---
Disposition of No 2 SUB SECTION
For nights 16 - 17 Nov 15
Urgent
Alteration of part 2 QE. 78
Owing to absence of clouds &
probability of clear moonlight night
CAPT GIBBS O/C Engineers desires that
Para. 2. disposition No 2 SUB SECTION should
read
(PARA 2) 
WIRE FIXING
PARTY
A Wire fixing party of 8
men will be out in front of
16TH BN lines from 0230 to 0600
Please acknowledge
4 Bde Hqs
E A Magolin major
C/O 10 Bn
Rcd 1810

 

"C" Form (Duplicate).   Army Form C. 2123
MESSAGES AND SIGNALS.    No. of Message
QE
RFS
Charges to Pay
£     s.      d.
123
Office Stamp
BQ
17/11
Service Instructions
Handed in at           Office       m.  Received 1548 m.
TO   Bde Major 4th Bde
*Sender’s Number       Day of Month     In reply to Number    AAA
QE83                                          17                                       ---
Bde Order 311 para 1
Sub para AB Notification
of patrols are being have been
complied with
FROM                  OC No 2 Sub Section
PLACE & TIME   1545

 

"C" Form (Duplicate).   Army Form C. 2123
MESSAGES AND SIGNALS.    No. of Message
4aB
1121
GA
PH
Charges to Pay
£     s.      d.
125
Office Stamp
BQ
17/11
Handed in at           Office       m.  Received     m.
TO   Fourth Bde
*Sender’s Number     Day of Month    In reply to Number    AAA
QA432                                17th                         BM 1627
Notice
FROM                  Durrants Post
PLACE & TIME   1820
 

Form (Original).    Army Form C. 2123.
MESSAGES AND SIGNALS.          No. of Message 
Code Words
4aB
1121
Received
From QE
By  PH
Sent, or sent out
At       m
To  124
By
Office Stamp.
BQ
17/11
Service Instructions
Handed in at                   Office              m.   Received      m.
TO  B M. 4th Bde H.Q
*Sender’s Number     Day of Month   In reply to Number     AAA
QE 84                                17th                        BM 1627
Password noted AAA could this
password be sent earlier so
we can get it around
to troops before dark AAA
Also No 1 SuB Section
dispositions arrive here too
late
FROM                  No 2 Sub Section
PLACE & TIME   1825

 

34

Beauchop's Hill
Nov 17/15
Confidential
N.Z. & A Div H Q
In reply to N.Z A.A. 531 of 16/11/15 - 
In as much as the interests of a number of officers in different
Divisions are involved, it is respectfully requested that the
question raised by me, and my several letters thereon may be
referred, for the favor of a ruling, to higher authority. -
In view of the letter under reply, may I be permitted to
add that even if the actions of the Federal Executive Council
were erroneous, it is submitted that Army order 35 of 1915
governs this case and, being of more recent data, overrides King's
Regulations S 224 (iii), - the date assigned respectively to the several
officers in the London Gazette of July 9/15 being the "date of appointment
or promotion" referred to in such Army Order, and being, in
fact, the date on which each of the officers referred to was first "appointed"
to the A.I.F. by the Commonwealth Government.
But I beg to point out that an Executive Minute by the Governor
General-in Council, of the Commonwealth is conclusive, & must be
taken to express the deliberate intention of the Commonwealth Government
to grant promotions in the A.I.F. in the order of precedence
stated. - Moreover, this action has been confirmed by
the promulgation of these promotions in A.I.F. orders, List No
10, of 14/11/15, so that they are actually in full force within
the Army Corps. -
John Monash
Brig. Genl.
Comdg 4th (Aust) Inf. Bde.

 

“A” Form.            Army Form C. 2121
MESSAGES AND SIGNALS       No. of Message
Prefix      Code      m
Office of origin and Service Instructions
Words   Charge
Sent
At       m.
To
By   
This message is on a/c of
             Service.
(Signature of “Franking Officer.”)
Recd. At            m.
Date
From
By   42
TO O.C. No. 3 Post
(c.o. 14th BN)
*Sender’s Number      Day of Month     In reply to Number     AAA
QA430                                17th                     ------
The attached file is forwarded for your
perusal.
1635
17/X1/15
DG Marks
Capt & adjt.
13th BN.
Perused and returned
Charles M. Lane
Major
CO 14th Bn  
II
G.O.C
From  4th Brigade
Place  Noted
Time   J m a Durrant
Major
CO. 13th BN
The above may be forwarded as now corrected.
Durrants Post
16/X1/15
Censor.
(Z) 
Signature of Addressor or person authorised to telegraph his name.
*This line should be erased if not required.

 

17/11/15
Dear Monash
You are I know
interested in the Boy Scouts.
Would you care to give me your
views on attached scheme to help
me to reply to B.P.
Yours sincerely
A Godley
17/11/15

 

“A” Form.            Army Form C. 2121
MESSAGES AND SIGNALS       No. of Message
Prefix      Code    m
Office of Origin and Service Instructions
Q.A. 429.
Words  Charge
Sent Copy No. 1
At       m.
To
By
This message is on a/c of
             Service.
To G O C 4th Bde
(Signature of “Franking Officer.”)
Recd. At            m.
Date
From  122
By
TO  Dispositions No. 1 Sub-section, night 17th/18th
November.
*Sender’s Number      Day of Month    In reply to Number   AAA
INFORMATION (1). (a) No. 2 Sub-section
(i) Patrol from Becks Bluff to GREEN KNOLL
1830 to 2100.
(ii) Wire fixing from 0230 to 0530.
(b) Canterbury Bn. Patrolling to
their front 0100 to 0400.
(c) Password - OXFORD.
INTENTION (2). 13th Bn. Patrol will leave barricade,
AGHYL DERE at 2000 and 0330 returning via right of
13th Bn. at 2230 and 0445 respectively, reporting to
O.C. No. 1 Post on return.
DGMarks
1/2apt.
A/Adjutant, 13th Battalion.
Issued at 1700.
Copy No. 1   Bde Hqrs.
                  2  Canterbury Bn.
                  3  O.C., No. 2 Sub-section
                  4  O.C. No. 1 Post
                  5.  O.C. No. 2 Post
                  6.  O.C. No. 3 Post  (14th Bn.)
                  7.  O.C., N.Z.E.
                  8.  File.
From
Place
Time
The above may be forwarded as now corrected.
Censor.
(Z) 
Signature of Addressor or person authorised to telegraph his name.
*This line should be erased if not required.

AUSTRALIAN
IMPERIAL FORCE
NOV 17 1915
4th Infantry Brigade.
No 2 SUB SECTION
AGHYL DERE
17-11-15
[*Req 1117
Recd 1610
17/11/15*]
16th BN
---1530---
Dispositions of No 2 SUB SECTION for
night 17 - 18 NOV 15
121
INFORMATION
PATROLS
(1) 16TH BN. is sending a patrol
3 men from BECKS BLUFF at
1830 returning at 2100 for
purpose of listening &
observation of GREEN KNOLL
WIRE FIXING
PARTY
(2) A wire fixing party of
six men will be out in
front of 16TH lines from
0230 to 0530.
Fourth Bde

162 do
CO 

No1 S Section
PAPaull.Capt adjt
16TH BN

 






















 

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