Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 1, 14 August - 3 November 1914 - Part 3

Conflict:
First World War, 1914–18
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2208 2 ESACLEEESSDEEESEESSSA A SSS CaLADAaDDD AGE; DATE OF ADDRESS PARTICULARS OF SERVICE. Regiment NA MB R A NK BIRTH. TEEELEEEEEN N JALLEELLLLLLEEEELEELEEELLNEE ooDDDDD 2nd. Lieut. 2/4192.) 215194 1117164 Richmond T.T.PAINE, V.D.,; 41st. Infantry Lieut.-Col., Capt. 3rd. A.L.R. 2412 500. N.S.W. Ne107 4206. Inl. 2/1/3 ! Lt-Col 41st. Inf. 16/2/1913. WAR SERVICE N i 1. CCC 0000000 P1. Wallack Colonel, Commandant, 2nd, Military District. 151911914.
N. 8. m FOURE HFATRY BRICADE C. C. 8. 1t is atrongly urged that some permanent officers be taken with this Brigade, thus :- 1 Briende Lajor Head Guarters 1 Second-in-Command or Fach Battalion 1 Adjutant. This is meat important from the point of vies of the training particularly of the Officers and N.C.O's. - The Brigade is likely to contain a snaller proportion of experienced and trained Officers and N.C.O's than the Brigndes already enrolled. The work of training will be much heavier; and efficiency cannot be ensured in a reasonable time unleas there be, at the disposal of each Commander, an officer of experience in training such as a member of the A. and I. Staff, who can assist to organise and supervise such work. 1t is submitted further that, from every point of viex, the interests of the Brigade should in this matter be placed before those of the C. M. Forces remaining at the base. For favor of early reply. Colonel. Commanding, 4th Inf.Brigade, A.I.V. 15612914.
m- MATOR JESS DAMOOMM ADFL A 1 D F M.7 CONFIDENTLAL ARE VOU APPLICANT POSITION MY BRIGADE MATOR NoFAsN HEALGUARTERS 15191914.
M. 14. SID SUBIECT: C (AASSEPIAE DEPARTMENT OF DE r MINUTE PAPER.( (This side only to be written on.) A. L. F. FOURTH INFANTRY BRIGADE. C. G. So Recommended that the establishment of this Brigade Head Quarters be increased by the addition of One Staff Captain. I believe this has been already approved in the case of the lst, 2nd and 3rd Brigades. I am also given to understand that it is the usual course in the British and Indian Army when on service. The work of training a freshly raised Force being especially heavy, the Brigade Major should be relieved of some branches of administrative work to allow him more time to assist the Commander in training. The Brigade, until arrival and concentration at the European base, will be an independent force, and much work ordinarily cared for by the Divisional Staff, will fall upon Brigade Head-Quarters. SohnMonach Colonel. Commanding 4th Inf. Brigade. 15191924. 6.0. 4t. inf. boe. The Chief of the General Staff does not approve of the addition of an officer to the estallshment laid down. Additional staff will be provided for training in Australia. E.H. Reynolos. May Director of Military Operations 15.9.14
M. 14. TOURT HTINTRY BRICANE. C. Co So Recommended that the establishment of this Brigade Head Quarters be increased by the addition of One Staff Captain. I believe this has been already approved in the case of the lat, 2nd and 3rd Brigndes. I am also given to understand that it is the usual course in the British and Indian Army when on service. The work of training a freshly raised Force being copecially heavy, the Bricade Major should be relieved of some branches of administrative work to allow him more time to ascist the Commander in training. The Brigade, until arrival and concentration at the European base, vill be an independent force, and much work ordinarily caresfor by the Divisional Staff, will fall upon Brigade Head-Quarters. Colonel. Comnanding 4th Inf. Brigade. 15191914.
M 18. 18 M 19 TOURE HTITEY BRICADE C. C. So Recommended that Battalion Comanders of this Brigade be permitted to select Warrant and N.C.O's of the Instructional Staff for the following duties, If no trained members of citizen forces are available viz. :- Regimental Sergeant Major Quarter Master Sergeant Sergeant Machine Oun Section Sergeant Signalling Section Colonel. Commanding 4th Infantry Brigade. 16//1914.
M- 2 Copy of wire to 17/9/14 CAPTAIN JESS OWLEY BARRACKS ADELAIDE. S.A. N.22. YOUR G. 381 AM ANAITING MINISTERLAL PERMISSION EMPLOY PERNANENT OFFICERS WITH M FORCE BETORE MAKING SELECTIONS. MONASH.
M. 2. 60.3 No. COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALLA. Orror parR SEAM. Bostmaster Generals Department, Victoria. TELEGRANEHIHBSH URGEN oun This message has been received subject to the Post and Telesraph Act and Regulations Bcomlats to bo altraan to Milt to te Bonr ConnnrDON STATION FROM, NO. OF WORDS, AND CHECK. RCMNE Orth Na D) 5.15 19 Monash me &gsnelb $173 Your telegram in H of 14th ufficuld find Commander firm Character + good I regunental experience stop suitable s senior officers not volunteering stop major roberts 88th infantry now second in Command 11 batalion womorow senior not fit to sncacd stop Major Mansbridge $4th infantry now company commander sixteenth infantry provisionally not strong character or inttrative hough useful officer stop annot will Bridges
A0 6 2 OMAUOTRALLA CMONOSN Aoronts Depan o SEP 17 1914 TELEORAN URGENT This message has been received subject to the Post and Telesraph Act and Regulations. All complaints to be addressed in writing to the Deputy Postmaster General Dewenr STATION FRON, No, OF WORDS, AND CHECK. recommended but not desirable withoras him from tth as next senior not fit to sucaed stop Najor Mansbridge $4th infantry not company commander sixteenth infantry provisionally not strong Character or initiative hough useful officer stop cannot will Bridges
Aoa No OMSSIIONLL Bostmaster Benerals Department, Victoria. URGEN7 ELEGRAM. 88P 17 1914 o This message has been received subject to the Post and Telegraph Act and Regulations. Dato to to AArnd WMil to he Derit PontanFDonNN STATION FROM, No. OF WORDS, AND CHECK. AMNS recomment myself though 28 o Sconel Kyngdon did recommend me for elerenth & would recommeat for 16th slonel Agge I wired that I could not be spared perhaps you could ask for one Fommand t Bridges

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RANK

NAME

Regiment

AGE

DATE OF

BIRTH.

ADDRESS

PARTICULARS OF SERVICE.  

Lieut.-Col., J.J.PAINE, V.D., 41st. Infantry 50 2/12 
years
11/7/64 Richmond, 
N.S.W.
2nd.Lieut. 2/4/92, Lt.1/5/94 
Capt.3rd.A.I.R.24/12/94 
Major "          "   1/7/1906 
  "     41st.Inf.    1/7/1912 
Lt-Col  41st. Inf. 16/2/1913. 
WAR SERVICE    N i l.

E.I. Wallack  Colonel, 
15/9/1914. Commandant, 2nd. Military District.

 

M - 8 
M.  8. 
A. I. F. 
FOURTH INFANTRY BRIGADE   0/9 
  
C. G. S. 
It is strongly urged that some permanent officers 
be taken with the Brigade, thus :- 
Head Quarters           1 Brigade Major 
Each Battalion           1 Second-in-Command or  
1 Adjutant. 
  
This is most important from the point of view of the 
training particularly of the Officers and N.C.O's. - The Brigade 
is likely to contain a smaller proportion of experienced and 
trained Officers and N.C.O's than the Brigades already enrolled. - 
The work of training will be much heavier: and efficiency  
cannot be ensured in a reasonable time unless there be, at the 
disposal of each Commander, and officer of experience in training 
such as a member of the A. and I. Staff, who can assist to 
organise and supervise such work. 
It is submitted further that, from every point of view, 
the interests of the Brigade should in this matter be placed 
before those of the C. M. Forces remaining at the base. 
For favor of early reply. 
Colonel. 
15/9/1914.   Commanding, 4th Inf.Brigade, A.I.F.

 

M-7 0/22 
MAJOR JESS 
HEAD-QUARTERS 
A D E L A I D E 
M.7  CONFIDENTIAL ARE YOU APPLICANT POSITION MY BRIGADE MAJOR 
  
M O N A S H 
HEAD-QUARTERS 
15/9/1914.

 

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE 
  
M. 14.          MINUTE PAPER    9 
(This side only to be written on.) 
C.4765.                                    
  
SUBJECT: A. I. F.  
FOURTH INFANTRY BRIGADE. 
  
C. G. S. 
Recommended that the establishment of this Brigade 
Head Quarters be increased by the addition of One Staff Captain. 
I believe this has been already approved in the case 
of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Brigades. 
I am also given to understand that it is the usual 
course in the British and Indian Army when on service. 
The work of training a freshly raised Force being 
especially heavy, the Brigade Major should be relieved of some 
branches of administrative work to allow him more time to assist 
the Commander in training. 
The Brigade, until arrival and concentration at the 
European base, will be an independent force, and much work  
ordinarily cared for by the Divisional Staff, will fall upon 
Brigade Head-Quarters. 
  
John Monash 
Colonel. 
15/9/1914. Commanding 4th Inf. Brigade. 
  
C.G.S. 
A 15SEP.14 M 
RECEIVED 
  
C.O. 4th inf. bde. 
The Chief of the General Staff does not approve of the 
addition of an officer to the establishment 
laid down. 
Additional staff will be provided for training 
in Australia. 
15.9.14.    E.H. Reynolds. Major 
Director of Military Operations 
J.M.

 

M.  14.                               
9/18 
A. I. F. 
FOURTH INFANTRY BRIGADE. 
  
C. G. S. 
Recommended that the establishment of this Brigade 
Head Quarters be increased by the addition of One Staff Captain. 
I believe this has been already approved in the case 
of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Brigades. 
I am also given to understand that it is the usual 
course of the British and Indian Army when on service. 
The work of training a freshly raised Force being 
especially heavy, the Brigade Major should be relieved of some 
branches of administrative work to allow him more time to assist 
the Commander in training. 
The Brigade, until arrival and concentration at the  
European base, will be an independent force, and much work 
ordinarily cared for by the Divisional Staff, will fall upon 
Brigade Head-Quarters. 
  
Colonel. 
15/9/1914. Commanding 4th Inf. Brigade.

 

M. 18. 
M-18 
A. I. F.     14/19 
FOURTH INFANTRY BRIGADE 
  
C. G. S. 
Recommended that Battalion Commanders of this 
Brigade be permitted to select Warrant and N.C.O's of the  
Instructional Staff for the following duties, if no trained 
members of citizen forces are available viz. :- 
  
Regimental Sergeant Major 
Quarter Master Sergeant 
Sergeant Machine Gun Section 
Sergeant Signalling Section 
  
Colonel. 
16/9/1914. Commanding 4th Infantry Brigade. 
CGS

 

M-22 
7/61 
Copy of wire to 
17/9/14 
CAPTAIN JESS                                                     
UNLEY BARRACKS 
ADELAIDE.  S.A. 
  
M.22.  YOUR G. 381 AM AWAITING MINISTERIAL PERMISSION EMPLOY PERMANENT 
OFFICERS WITH MY FORCE BEFORE MAKING SELECTIONS. 
  
MONASH. 
  
Bde S Pers

 

E.T. No. 3. 
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.                                  No. ........................ 
Postmaster-General's Department, Victoria.                    OFFICE DATE STAMP. 
URGENT TELEGRAM.                                                              SEP 17 1914                                                           
C.4960  This message has been received subject to the Post and Telegraph Act and Regulations. 
All complaints to be addressed in writing to the Deputy Postmaster-General. 
  
STATION FROM, No. OF WORDS, AND CHECK.       REMARKS. 
                     
Perth Wa       107 8/9          5.15 
  
Monash Gnrl Hqrs Melb 
X 1/3 Your telegram on H of 14th difficult 
find Commander firm character & good 
regimental experience stop suitable 
senior officers not volunteering stop 
major roberts 88th infantry now 
second in Command 11th battalion 
JM 
[*NOTE- The figures at the bottom represents the time lodged at 
Sending Station and time received at this Office respectively*] 
  
xxxxx 
senior not fit to succeed stop 
Major Mansbridge of 4th infantry 
now Company Commander sixteenth 
infantry provisionally not strong 
character or initiative though 
useful officer stop cannot well 
  
[*NOTE-The figures at the bottom represents the  
Sending Station and time received at this Office*] 
  
Major Bridges

 

E.T. No. 3. 
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.                                  No. ........................ 
Postmaster-General's Department, Victoria.                    OFFICE DATE STAMP. 
URGENT TELEGRAM.                                                              SEP 17 1914                                                           
C.4960  This message has been received subject to the Post and Telegraph Act and Regulations. 
All complaints to be addressed in writing to the Deputy Postmaster-General. 
  
STATION FROM, No. OF WORDS, AND CHECK.             |                REMARKS. 
  
recommended but not desirable 
withdraw him from 11th as next 
senior not fit to succeed stop 
Major Mansbridge of 4th infantry 
now Company Commander sixteenth 
infantry provisionally not strong 
character or initiative though 
useful officer stop cannot well 
  
[*NOTE-The figures at the bottom represents the  
Sending Station and time received at this Office*] 
  
Major Bridges

                                                                                         

E.T. No. 3. 
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.                                  No. ........................ 
Postmaster-General's Department, Victoria.   OFFICE DATE STAMP. 
URGENT TELEGRAM.                                                      SEP 17 1914                                                           
C.4960 3  This message has been received subject to the Post and Telegraph Act and Regulations. 
All complaints to be addressed in writing to the Deputy Postmaster-General. 
  
STATION FROM, No. OF WORDS, AND CHECK.           REMARKS. 
  
recommend myself though 
Colonel Kyngdon did recommend 
me for eleventh & would I 
recommend for 16th Colonel legge 
wired that I could not spared 
perhaps you could ask for one 
to Command 
Major Bridges 
  
[*NOTE-The figures at the bottom represents the  
Sending Station and time received at this Office*]

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