Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/66/1 - November 1916 - Part 7

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First World War, 1914–18
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67 wrong. Nothing the formans have done can equal the atrocity of the Baratony he said case. well the Baratory case was a bital case, I & so was the repual think of tranler to led a bead to help the crew of the sinking Seppelin Tey c have found a way to do it without danger of being overpowered, if they had ticed. But there things were done by men who had been suffering the ferman poceedure fom beginning of was - seem women & children sunk & blown up by the hundred & civition & nentral saitors drowned. Of course we are not always right-
68 course our newspapers made sensational lying statements about the Passing effects of Lyddile in the Boer war, & of turpinite (wh never existed) in this; the newspopers adnt exis tto live tew rich proprictors pockets of they did not be the & exaggerate to the national determent & a foot ad not be a British goot. if it attempty to stop them. We are aot ad right - but t does utt wate no all togone to makes this sort of wect imagine to we are all wrong 0 The subject wt Skirtes & smit sd soneti wh
69 implied t any man who did not hate the germaus as in favour of them - wh is a common view a a certain type Auatralian & Englishman Do you think its necessary to hat the Genans. Sheldon ane said I I don't think its necessry to bat tem. I think you can fight this war like you play a game of football, 7 dont you. and tat is the attitude of many of these Englishmen. the bavest of them too. They witl not & do not hate the ferman - but they are oppose to his views of they will fight few people fight. him as very
Dr Boclcke the Ferman O aviator ws killed the other day collsion a another acropting 6 afr tiin bringing down, I believe, hes 40th Britiih, or cor Irench maching. The payiy A Corps droppe a wreath some days later for a gallent chivabious adversary expressing their deep sympal + regret" for his wife & family. That is quite gename - they feel it. Mayy people on London & sitting 62 then firesides at case think that it is all nowsense, & weakness. Well - if the flying coops had not privilege of deciding how it ws to regard Boelcke I don't know who had. They daily rest their
dexas 16 Iae hard hends 48 ants. crt at Buirg. m in when ofens were sleeping Incourt - Packed at a lins Montan Con 2 wnte malt acre 2 in dry dag out the tents wigher t finchadrocon ten you atoned oater coizn. Patter ( gotlin, 6odd drained water out miles for fatigus men wd carry or erar bits of wood. by the has vut out bey wintin Tenselues quite confortable 14e trunche his parts clising out Walker & man who lost my blordyoat! Ii sooking for my paits. Dw Nertdoor to as an e i t mans guard crowin w Pants & all £000 p Birdwood. Burnrs you had better knpaway - here's a war on Hyhevededand i piv 7 3rd last, Speabs. Fore glose f Morti Pidg 606 72 him be leves in fighten had tra to kil hundreds of them & had killed I suppose more than 50. of they have not I right to be g to make up their minds how heshd be triated, who has. No0 22 Moper's Birthday I wante to get along & see Fack but received a were that the Official plotonapher was going at last to arrive in Franch today & had to send the Car to Boulogue cet him Nov. 23od Took the Tholog apper, Baldwin up to Montauban. We oe plan in distinn to eight ape S.T3 crossig setof coward by vaster
our photograph took Last evening Baldwin in to Headein ilno 00 ats. Ar to the P at As we letty otinto pleass the there avm I was woy other men wonts take him the perfectly edeated, but not Hc is a good little chap with an of which I have adready tarned to respect. I did not take him. dinned here as I was not certiin how they would welcome him. The momend to got inside the doas it was: Hulls old man. Hows Bucharest? heo we see didn't I know you in constantinopte? where was it I vrew you last - Capee Phillip ibbs no Dunkerk Phillins of them seemet to 24 43 74 found te road better tha uaual, but the wet stoppy mud had [steffened [into stiff thickes than a steff cream, very hard to pull your books out of Caldwer got al photos of the traffic - I told him I wanted some yust mud pictures for record Pently we saw a horse & water cart strike of the road across track though a field of mid by the road side year Montanban Baldwin dashed after them. head ten of t plnged into the tack a head of them to git a phots He let one cart fo & was taken a second - a wayon with two horses. He trist wanted to shift his position to get this properly - but found he cdut move. I bought he wannt trying at first Then he pulled his oight lif out mry slowto tranting it with bott his hands But the procees stut his
3 4h 90 9 te Hit an opner was If eart. just a & (3 to me not havin little ashamed of there todinner brought him is woked as is after all. tey were to snot in Constant. Baldwin was for Central New, before the war at Lale Burga them he wa sent to austa for the faneral of the Crown Prince? He ws in Belerade whin shot in (1) war (ws fird the first 0as from the Hustrian) shore across the Damte smipe a photo of the brotein getting The Servian fund tre bridge pits o sort of Shallew i to be Belgade Parks in those on the of the serviand day thingn days & took chans from a few holes bat the cafes & put them th the thert shots not & took that he was left lf so dup took his completely stuck.t photo of the way one Then at policin wp was riding by took his horse ah side of him & bid to bell with his strrig orwid him the horse's lait. Batwin cantong get hold of ther To four infantin men went in quictely & palled out him pcolos at tis Tirne we took where Hubertson was Ca wenton Gennan as tho Swite ao came truck. The pin which goes through the pont spoay of the can & hiis it to the axle, &one of the botd which does the sdute wer broken, & the asle had shifted back bodily about an such on (ter side. It was dart bt we had been waltes Suc 12 o Baldwin had ad
the across n of the war When went over. at England B. Has auth through France get whathe in Autwerp Witiston 4 whice he sethere & came aptike a why th in the same til l n te men o a where & one of the be ad hee ap4 Canchall th Churchets 50 di Hs notata (5 daresay an him was first question Nou correspondents are be d Jnnes ance have ever had y way was correspopdent shat You td ffit woked have funing, if thend that a coupts tr of years back Ay Cntial say man News tberth 78 much oting except a little beakfast so atl chap walked for his legs are short very same but to we got Herbertson let as have some biscuits I gain tea white he wote his report of the ponioner's examination 48. we took which 5 him Then we took he tar very slowly & Steadil DStoped Lome. of as Dernancourt to er Capt Sal (21Bns) account ft figtt at monqued up to t arranged to take hi when dry place inner commension Te Herbertson feinted 65 office ltinta examy twe betrayed Sappose Herbertson fatheslam
To over used to Baldein to england with his photos. when he came back he started scarching the worth of Fradee for his brotter. He had a by oficial letter saying that his parents had died & to his signation to some document was wante a tiansfer of property making sign cture. He letter only his brother in his as addressed to batters 11315 (or same such the place him from hewte & he British over the all peace bicycle on The address fon perfett Carrict the brother was the battir but the w5 in York in ws battery brother He chased this lines almost wto the terman Indeed at Huchy he wert into a public house othe cog you nead dont thenk no them to to me pacticaty you I didnr know before Inoticed The man sacd fee more Ant - you recived to know did about our trunshes than Express They of them aai about il this Espec dice Ta seen that Hens waps all perfect cus ar Ds a small scale the or Farm used at manquet all t ote our like 60 the to po. 5000 trust a Rech tlk so the wonder and have thandl same. alt pocsonit who ferman seen abbrost anythin not tett you will first desire His him you ask to by be istte but he soes on captured
8 proporitiess hurned alored a door & pat her fungers to 5he vay H535h her lips. there Allemands were 5 steeping tt his finesten Baldwin there wents fterwds t he teer the to we had captured tehlans later. He wo sent b Salonica tim to mesopotamia ther be arrived that when Kvt fell He came back to England; was going to enter the Flyn Cps when the idea of appliyen te present job struck him for hell do. A modest well little chap wh man not in his Cic. of them are 82 almost every ting - I have ssaben to many ceen mdny examined even the N.C.os with do this - nod often the officers It wonder your own men as trea 16a 6e to takk regularly will their o tes 100 the informationth five as e ask them the rontes t54 he cowe up tot the nights too Buth their relief tas pablishes a statement of the rehief wh with be happening behind cace ight part of Jerman time th when it with be happeng te ofthe best places to stoot at fietd fans best frews to thook with maching bit mates aas pot from the which wh with the 4

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wrong. "Nothing the Germans
have done can equal the
atrocity of the Baralong
case. . . . " he said.
Well the Baralong 
case was a brutal case, I 
think, & so was the refusal 
of trawler - - - - . to lend a hand
to help the crew of the sinking
Zeppelin - They cd have found
a way to do it without danger
of being overpowered, if they
had tried. But these things
were done by men who had
been suffering the German
procedure from / beginning o /
war - seeing women & children
sunk & blown up by the hundred
& civilian & neutral sailors
drowned. Of course we
are not always right - of
 

 

 

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course our newspapers
made sensational lying
statements about the gassing
effects of Lyddite in the Boer
War, & of "Turpinite" (wh
never existed) in this; The
newspapers wd nt exist to
line their rich proprietors
pockets if they did not lie
& exaggerate to their the national
detriment - & a Govt. wd not
be a British Govt. if it 
attempted to stop them. We
are not all right - but
tt does not make us all
wrong. tt makes this
sort of insect imagine tt we
are all wrong . . . . . 
The subject ws skirted
& Smith sd something wh
 

 

 

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implied tt any man
who did not hate the
Germans ws in favour of
them - wh is a common
view w a certain type of
Australian & Englishman.
"Do you think it's necessary
to hate the Germans?" Sheldone
said ^quietly "I dont think its necessary
to hate them - I think you
can fight this war like you
play a game of football,
dont you?"
And that is the attitude 
of many of these Englishmen -
the bravest of them too. They
will not & do not hate the
German - but they are opposed
to his views & they will fight 
him as very few people fight.
 

 

 

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Boelcke, the German
aviator ws killed the other day
by collision w another aeroplane,
after killing bringing down, I 
believe, his 40th British or
French machine. The ^Royal Flying
Corps dropped a wreath some 
days later for "a gallant
& chivalrous adversary,"
expressing their "deep sympathy
& regret" for his wife &
family. That is quite
genuine - they feel it. Many
people in London & sitting by
their firesides at ease think
that it is all nonsense, & 
weakness. Well - if the flying 
Corps had not / privilege of
deciding how it ws to regard
Boelcke I dont know who
had. They daily risk their
 

 

 

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The hard heads [shorthand] the dixies
4 [shorthand] autos.
out at Buire
Fricourt - Packed them in when / officers were sleeping
[sketch-see original document] Montaubun - 200 at a time
[shorthand] whole bde in abt ½ acre
[Diagram see original document] had dug out the tents in dry
weather to give head room.
Patted them round
stopped water coming in, drained water out - got tin, wood,
men wd carry sacks of coal 2 miles for fatigue
or great bits of wood. By / time they went out they were thinking
Themselves quite comfortable.
Walker & man who lost his pants digging out the trenches 
my bloody oath! I'm looking for my pants.
Mans dugout slipped in on him. G Div. next door to us
Guards drowned
Pants & all
A good bde
The mud
& photographer
Butters Birdwood.
[shorthand]
You had better keep away - There's a war on. 3rd Div. They have declared war at last.
Jacobs. Fore slope of Shorties Ridge [sketch-see original document]

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lives in fighting him - he
has tried to kill hundreds
of them & had killed I suppose
more than 50. If they
have not / right to be generous
to him make up their minds
how he shd be treated, who
has?
Nov 22. Mother's Birthday - I
wanted to get along & see
Jack but received a wire
that the Official photographer
was going at last to arrive
in France today & had to
send the car to Boulogne
to meet him.
Nov. 23rd. Took the
Photographer, Baldwin,
up to Montauban - We
——————
away to right open plain. Ts crossing it in distance anor man carried up / water bottles.
Dead man's ridge.
Set of cowardly bastards. [shorthand]
 

 

 

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[Diagram - see original document]
Last evening I took Baldwin ^our photographer in to
Amiens to the Press Headquarters.
As we got into the pleasant sitting
room there I was wondering how 
the other men would take him.
He is not perfectly educated, but
a good little chap with an opinion
which I have already learned to
respect. I did not take him to
dinner there as I was not certain
how they would welcome him. The
moment he got inside the door it
was: "Hullo old man - How's 
Bucharest?" "Let me see, didn't 
I know you in Constantinople?"
"Where was it I saw you last - Calais
no - Dunkirk?" Phillip Gibbs,
Phillips - all of them seemed to 

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found the road better than
usual, but the the wet sloppy mud
had stiffened into stuff thicker than a 
stiff cream, very hard to pull
your boots out of Baldwin got
several photos of the traffic - I
told him I wanted some typical
mud pictures for record. Presently
we saw a horse & water cart
strike off the road ^on a across a
track through a field of mud
by the roadside near Montauban.
Baldwin dashed after them, headed
them off & plunged into the track
ahead of them to get a photo.
He let one cart go & was taking
a second - a waggon with two
horses. He tried wanted to
shift his position to get this
properly - but found he cdnt
move. I thought he wasn't
trying, at first. Then he pulled
his right leg out very slowly,
hauling it with both his hands
But the process sent his
 

 

 

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have fore gathered with 
him in some corner of the
earth. It was an eye opener
to me - & I was just a 
little ashamed of not having
brought him there to dinner;
after all, it looked as if I
were the snob & not they.
Baldwin was in Constantinople
before the war for Central News,
& ws at Lule Burgas -
Then he ws sent to Austria for
the funeral of the Crown
Prince. He ws in Belgrade when
the first shot in / war ws fired
from the Austrian shore - & ws
sniped at across the Danube
getting a photo of the broken
bridge. The Servian Guns used
to be in sort of shallow dugouts pits
in the Belgrade Parks in those
days; & the Servians dug themselves
a few holes & took chairs from
the cafes & put in them & sat
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left leg so deep that he was
completely stuck. He took his 
photo of the waggon. Then a policeman
who was riding by took his horse
along side of him & tried to help
him with his stirrup, or with
the horse's tail. Baldwin couldnt
get hold of these - so four infantry
men went in quickly & pulled 
him out.
We took Some photo at the
prisoners cage where Herbertson was
examining a German - went on
as far as the Switch trench &
came back. The pin which goes
through the front spring of the car
& ties it to the ^fore  axle had shifted
back bodily about an inch
on that side. It was dark
- but we had been walking
since 12 & Baldwin had had
 

 

 

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enemy across the river.
Where he heard of the war
in England B. went over,
through France, & was sent to
get what he cd in Antwerp.
While he ws there, Winston Churchill
came up like a whirlwind & stayed
in the same hotel. The central
news men wanted to find out
where our Naval Brigade was,
& one of them said he wd see
Churchill & ask him.
He did so & Churchill turned
on him - (I daresay not at the
first question) - "You war
Correspondents are a _____
nuisance," he sd; "if I
had my way I'd have every
war correspondent shot!"
"You'ld have looked a bit
funny, if they'd tried that a couple
of years back!" said the Central
News man.

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nothing except a little French
breakfast - poor ^the little chap walked
very gamely for his legs are short
- so but we did got Herbertson to
let us have some biscuits & jam
& butter & tea while he wrote his report
of the prisoner's examination -
which we took to H.Q. for
him. There we took the car very
slowly & steadily home. I stopped
off at Dernancourt to get
Capt Gale (21 Bn's) account of the
fighting at Mouquet Farm; &
arranged to take him up to the
place when dry.
The German non-commissioned 
officer when Herbertson had finished
examining him today said: "I
suppose I have betrayed my
fatherland". Herbertson said : '- I
 

 

 

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Baldwin used to go over 
to England with his photos.
When he came back he started
searching the North of France
for his brother. He had a big
official letter saying that his
parents had died & tt his signature
was wanted to some document
making a transfer of property
- only his signature . The letter 
was addressed to his brother in
the 113th (or some such) battery -
& he hunted him from place to
place all over the British
front, on a bicycle. The address
was perfectly correct - the brother
ws in the battery; but the
battery ws in York.
He chased this brother
almost into the German lines.
Indeed at Auchy he went
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dont think you need worry
- you told me practically nothing
I didnt know before!'
The man said: " Yes - I noticed
that - you seemed to know more
about our trenches than I did -"
They many of them express
surprise at this - especially at our
trench maps; them's that I have seen
are by no means perfect & all
on a small scale - the prisoners
at Mouquet Farm used all to say
tt they had nothing like our big
1 in 5000 trench maps.
I wonder they talk so freely
all the same. I have hardly even
seen a German prisoner who
will not tell you almost anything
you ask him. His first desire
is to tell you why he ws
captured - but he goes on to
 

 

 

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proprietress hurriedly closed
a door & put her fingers to
her lips. "Hsssh! " She said
"Allemands!" - and there
were 5 sleeping Uhlans in
there. Baldwin finished his
beer - ^& went, afterwds he heard
tt we had captured the
Uhlans later.
He ws sent to Salonica &
then to Mesopotamia where
he arrived just when Kut fell.
He came back to England;
& was going to enter the Flying
Corps when the idea of applying
for the present job struck him.
Well - he'll do. A modest
little chap, wh very many
of them are not, in his line.
 

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almost everything - I have
spoken to many & seen many
examined. Even the N.C.Os
will do this - not often the officers.
I wonder if our own men are
ready to talk in this way. We 
regularly kill their mates thro
the information they give us.
We ask them the routes by wh they
come up to / trenches & the nights of 
their reliefs; & today Butter has
published a statement of the reliefs 
wh will be happening behind each
part o / German line, the night
when it will be happening, & the
best places to shoot at - & the
best guns to shoot with (field guns
& inactive guns) - every bit of
which was got from the mates of
the men who will be coming
 

 

 

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