Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/66/1 - November 1916 - Part 6

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First World War, 1914–18
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himself scouting into romansland in 50 Prieres Chinself. or These unsuccessbl half succissfl attacks are th worse than any for tott ofofficers is enornous. There I saw the name of tw0D0 Barber who only ago as at the Corps case snden oking a pisoners. He almost mast have gone, straight into this lost - he is messng. fit bein I don't think the Hovestly 10 End Dwns are up to their old spirits - I don't think they have got over Poyuere yet. I told one of farmg generals today that I dropt believe men were ever quite the same after a frightful
58 bey such as Combardment get sometimes but the don't know what these Goops experienced. They were never in o near togieres in those days P. (through the Stoppage of my articles pirhap th knowledge of that battle never fot round. properly Tovember 20. General House over here. I am sure I know tpat all this means. Tey have been struck by the very bi numbers of Tench Fect Frenel some of our battalions foot is a stoppage of the araye circulition - it is caused Aman &wet the cold
58 a truck to his feet sitting in b 1 mad unable t mone or stang the ground (because to at once makes a morass & brenck is also almost too shallow for standing apree loses his circulation boot if laced normally is too tight. Patties shrenk in the wet & aid & act a a light bandage a 4 man gets no blood in feet & ty become inflame Swollen & sonetines mortify This can be stopper in dicent like hose at Yoes or Heurbaik 67 rations of dry socks provid every day, keeping ac oul one day in the pont leng set out to warnd then letters
o4 dry things in support live (5 go on w (same)t] o regularly tabbing on whate onl moving in the? 450 .Experience, good truhes discipline avoid it, t te Sermans have practically nore allten prisoners say50. the British were have been o we were at one it getter time 500my. evacuatio with trech a most feet fom the corps; S.D per of them will not be back cast sumner, I am told the till 3815 Camoft Glear Gast of the D.A. B. M.C. o saw So. The Str the army has sent rouma closely pried Theet of foolscag to have to be 16 all the with
60 Putlies are not to be worn Socks may be pulledovn the port howsers +I warm dry done elters in the sipport2 men take of their boots & rub their feet dry & put on dry socks at least tweee aday, this dry rubbing) men to mave) fep) down the bay of trunch what is the g00d of all this when your support Yis as bad as your front trunck your pont trench is like this thick that you pull your 50 boots offin it! What i the Goad of taken about the confortable shetters in support when 1 + reserve. &every for iles behind the firig tine is tence deep in meed The first thing is to get Engincern
For. 30 (atn at Angac are now bein Corlette enpuntes that dugouts ltts me the font tine. day in stores up & build decent do but they wont that because they say we are aot going to hold the I at least that is for lory the Wfanber offcers impression of the reason why the trunches are not impoved. Laty (vep. 25). As a matter of fact the are being amxoved. The train is right up to Longval his relieves the road traffic Enormanate an they say to in a short time we shall have the Decanville rly right down to Dactory Corner (at least to white toto Batter). well, they have clearly an urga conference ou have theSor Henry over all been away he Lawhnson
64 leave (or to confer) wh sappose means to the or present battle is to stop Birdwood dropped this wwark when I was ttea at the Chatian a coveret it up quickly & said he supposed no thin ought to be se about it. They are joing to provide hat coffee, & Sansage rolls, at canter right up near the Switch Line or Bailhend the 8 are incidentily oen to a lettle paper. the Redin C conbridges I was Sun has a press te Sugfection of the Even Harris Truce to New SYoSydney a little Jewish pressnan I down he + there Dd a 51 it a corp
65 periodical. We had a Ctel weating & I have andertaken to be Editor. white said Ied have Swart to France over on connection to this whole question o I distributey news Nov. 215. Spent too tday writing an article about Glasford & Howel Prici. These English take the was in a real Christian spirit some of them; & that is meant seriously. Sheldon, of the Roget Engineers (a cwelian who was in the Special Reserve & only a boy but a captain was taking over this the other day. We had a little south austiclan or Qucenslander
56 named Riley in n a Weitern Anshalian. He as i the 11Bn & he ws taking of the injostice of the Britiet & Bench causes on this war. Ae sawd the future his tonan ad blame us & not the germans. The fermans were perfectly right to sunk the Lusitania, t shoot miss Covell, & Capt. Fryatt (who had be pleasant atternative of litter being sunk or hanged, apparently) - we were to atrocious ones; te Permans wd make a reasonable peace now if we ad let them (hewdut give the details of it when I asked him if Enitraba wd give New Juinea
66A back - austiatia was mised into it by Britiin one edsee, tt ws his argument) & so on. He sd the fermans were perfectly justified in breaking treatees in war time & usiy gas & invading Belgmm& I was raty up & down his throat. You know its unfortuaate - I always seem to get into hat water over this, he sd, whereon I 60h He ws one of tore men who can always see the wrong in their own & because his own side people are not always right in what they say he must therefore exclaim that are utterly & wholly te

 

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^himself scouting into Nomansland in
Pozieres. By himself.
These unsuccessful or
half succcessful attacks are
worse than any - for the
toll of officers is enormous.
There I saw the name of
Barber who only two days 
ago ws at the Corps Cage
looking after ^German prisoners. He
must have gone ^almost straight into this
fight been lost - he is missing.
Honestly, I dont think the
1st & 2nd Divns are up to
their old spirits - I dont think
they have gotten over Pozieres
Yet. I told one o / army
Generals today that I didn’t 
believe men were ever quite
the same after a frightful xx
 

 

 

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bombardment such as they
get sometimes - but they
don't know what these troops
experienced. They were never
in or near Pozieres in those
days, & (through the stoppage
of my articles perhaps) the
knowledge of that battle never
probably got round.

November 20.
General Howse is over
here. I am sure I know what
all this means. They have been 
struck by the high very big
numbers of “Trench Feet” in
some of our battalions. Trench
foot is a stoppage of the
circulation - it is caused through
the cold & wet.  A man
 

 

 

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sitting in a trench w his feet
in / mud, unable to move
or stamp the ground (because tt
at once makes a morass & /
trench is also almost too 
shallow for standing upright)
loses his circulation. The
boot, if laced normally, is
too tight. Putties shrink in
the wet and mud & act as
a tight bandage. Xx a
man gets no blood in his
feet & they become inflamed,
swollen, & sometimes 
mortify. This can be stopped
in decent trenches, like those
at Ypres, or Fleurbaix, by
providing rations of dry socks
every day , keeping / men only

one day in the front line,
letting them get out to warmth
 

 

 
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& dry things in / support
line (& go in w / same); by
regularly rubbing in whale
oil - moving in the trenches, & so
on. Experience, good trenches,
& discipline avoid it, & the
Germans have practically none
— all their prisoners say so.
The British here have been
getting it; & we were at one 
time evacuating 500 men
a day, mostly with trench
feet, from the corps; 50 per
cent of them will not be back
till the summer, I am told - 
Gask of the 38th Casualty Clearing
Stn said so. The D.A.Q.M.G of 
the army has sent round on
sheet of foolscap closely printed

with all the things tt have to be
 

 

 

60
Putties are not to be worn -
Socks may be pulled over
trousers - in the front
trenches.

[Hand drawn sketch - see original document]

72  61
done - warm dry shelters
in the support trenches, men to
take off their boots & rub their
feet dry & put on dry socks
(at least twice a day, this dry
rubbing) - men to move up
& down the bay o / trench
[Hand drawn sketch - see original document]
- what is the good of all this
when your support 
trench is as bad as
your front trench.

& your front trench is like this
- so thick that you pull your 
boots off in it! What is the good
of talking xx about the comfortable
shelters in support trenches, when support
trenches & reserve trenches & every
trench for 2 miles behind the firing
line is knee deep in mud?
The first thing is to get engineering
 

 

 

62

X Nov. 30. ( later). Corlette, engineer
at Anzac, tells me that dugouts
are now being dug in the front line.

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stores up and build decent
trenches but they wont do
That because they say we
are not going to hold the trenches
for long - at least that is 
the the infantry officers impression
of the reason why the trenches
are not improved.
Later (Nov 25).
X [As a matter of fact they
are being improved. The
train is right up to Longueval
& this relieves the road traffic
enormously & they say tt in
a short time we shall have
The Decauville rly right
down to Factory Corner (at
least so White told Butler).]
Well, they have clearly
bn having an urgent conference
over all this. Sir Henry
Rawlinson has been away on
 

 

 

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leave (or to confer) wh I 
suppose means tt the 
battle is to stop for / present.
Birdwood dropped this remark
when I was at tea at the Chateau
& then covered it up quickly
& said he supposed nothing
ought to be sd about it.
They are going to provide hot
coffee, & sausage rolls, at the canteen
right up near the Switch
Line or Railhead; & they 
are, incidentally , going to run
a little paper - “The Rising
Sun” It was Col. Tonbridge's
suggestion - he has a press
run by Harris of the “Evening 
News” of Sydney - a little 
Jewish pressman - down
there & he has suggested tt
it shd be made a Corps
 

 

 

72  65
periodical. We had a
Ctee meeting & I have 
undertaken to be Editor -
White said I cd have Smart
over ^to France in connection w this
whole question o / distribution
of news.
Nov. 21st. Spent the whole day
writing an article about 
Glasfurd & Howell Price.
These English take the
war in a real Christian spirit,
some of them; & that is meant
seriously. Sheldon, of the
Royal Engineers (a civilian
who was in the Special Reserve,
& only a boy but a Captain}
was talking over this the other
day. We had a little South
Australian or Queenslander
 

 

 

72  66
named Riley in  - no,
a Western Australian. He
ws in the 11 Bn & he ws
talking of the injustice of the
British & French causes in
this War. He said the future
historians wd blame us &
not the Germans. The Germans 
were perfectly right to sink the 
Lusitania, & shoot Miss
Cavell, & Capt. Fryatt (who
had the pleasant alternative
of either being sunk or
hanged, apparently) - we
were the atrocious ones; the
Germans wd make a 
reasonable peace now
if we wd let them (he wdnt
give the details of it when
I asked him if Australia
wd give New Guinea
 

 

 

72  66A
back - if Australia was
misled into it by Britain
- one could see tt ws his
argument) - & so on. He
sd the Germans were perfectly 
justified in breaking all treaties
in war time & using gas &
invading Belgium - & I
was rather up & down his 
throat. “You know it’s
unfortunate - I always seem 
to get into hot water over
this,” he sd, “wherever I
go -” He ws one of those
men who can always see 
the wrong in their own 
side, & because his own
people are not always 
right in what they say he
must therefore exclaim that

they are utterly & wholly
 

 

 

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