Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/62/1 - October 1916 - Part 1

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AWM3S Official History, 1974-18 War: Records of C E W Bean, Official Historian. Diaries and Notebooks Hem number: 3DR160616217 Title: Diary, October 1976 Discusses howitzers and artillery and reters to Sir Keith Murdoch and the Dardanelles Commission. AWMISS-3DRL6061621/
ON HER MAIESTYS SERVICE AWM3E 382 3021 60 1 This deary is in afragile state Diaoy No 62 ill fitting cover, pages loose etc Placed in this envelope for safe keeping SC 1f not delivered within 7 days, return to AUSTRALLAN WAR MEMORIAL P.O. BOX 345, CANBERRA CITY, A.C.T. 2601 3
Feretr te er e e ree enteweet 3ORL 606 ITEM 68 DWM3 DIARLES AND NOTES OF C. E. W. BEAN CONCERNING THE WAR OF 1914- 1918 THE use of these diaries and notes is subject to conditions laid down in the terms of gift to the Australian War Memorial. But, apart from those terms, I wish the following circumstances and considerations to be brought to the notice of every reader and writer who may use them. These writings represent only what at the moment of making them I believed to be true. The diaries were jotted down almost daily with the object of recording what was then in the writer's mind. Often he wrote them when very tired and half asleep; also, not infrequently, what he believed to be true was not so —but it does not follow that he always discovered this, or remembered to correct the mistakes when discovered. Indeed, he could not always remember that he had written them. These records should, therefore, be used with great caution, as refating only what their author, at the time of writing, believed. Further, he cannot, of course, vouch for the accuracy of statements made to him by others and here recorded. But he did try to ensure such accuracy by consulting, as far as possible, those who had seen or otherwise taken part in the events. The constant falsity of second-hand evidence (on which a large proportion of war stories are founded), was impressed upon him by the second or third day of the Gallipoli campaign, notwithstanding that those who passed on such stories usially themselves believed them to be true. All second- hand cridence berein, should be read, with shis, in mind. 16 Sept, 1946. C. E. W. BEAN. ACCESE STATUS SSSSEEKEKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESS, TTTEEEEEEEEEETSSTSEES SSTTETTEEEEEEEEN EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES g to a d
Repulse priple gur Eang Fine3 seamin canlim baths haran 177 Repulse. 62 tearspite. 144 4 Compani ptt pinncs. 3762 6 115.1 33 2. 36430 fon 15 1310 2 10 barspite &8.- 24- Marlboro 117n 0.1 620 it is dongerous steff. The German & we are bok after a good delay action pse to delay the burst until are deep down inside have oI but neither 6 6 perfect shell yet a (written at time & So C 20 of place) From Turness Abbey Hotel in tkers cars to Barrow Wordenfett 1887 del Saw of t class subman sab acie a sleamer of $40,000 bere 6weeks a0 lef tons wh sen 24 kn. do trial. for two finils to fold t Ein cam 2 wth er anot s0 N. slice Howitze Beprs Tin
64 was are heary How. in 3 wouths. Now I 9.2 Naw every days 91 of them in last 92 days. f 6.in hows The Tt fines lof of 225 C208 gone todate of ordered yusty for russie to be shipped tought - most begand $12.26 bed to put diffrecnt composito in ter buffers for Kuisia - To detayed a few hours. 0 tonight on a train with official from menistry of Manitions on train 7.2 Hows 220 in Kont e Was lot of 28 will riw be gone on with after that in 75 andtha lotimproved guns new lot heges charge ti gdo range aga 10000 8000 most come This ly sun is facd. now. man Then wito 8 in Howshop Thi is a new improved gun 85.00 yds range - it is the saen we came me Liw
heavcest gan on wheet The 92 las to be taken off carnage for moving, but 8u is sumple draped abt or its own wheets. Has a 90 degres traverse -45- sach way (is this possible? or ded I mis understand it - surely it ad topphy its wheels over) 20 hows in all ba supplied so far I tk ws (figure] 208 6 in how ate ad in Faron These by to wear 1000 l and 50od 4,000 shots - wrich move than Expected. war ofice has arranged for extra guns to be ade to replace te- cicolition is sekeep is gens for replaceet going to France, old gans awoys returning to lng tbery refitted goeont gai fors of the bin The out curs were turnd out 12 months 240. have 4 on sunt by Vickers previouly to Kussia that pasis contract for Sublet the fris This wake parts are outiede places assoubled in tickers Vichers night to 6 & fiish the tee test As n 7 ao 2/4 none week finishe Cost how at3000 16000 610,000 9000 H 4 Evid wa the ho till on latily but the are tak its place as the n 8 Then cant 2 the
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Marimum spied thy expect to conti 4 a year. interested me bec. This dr 181 Itnor how witall tumporting this gun 4 to field Tt a pt fiut order 866 filld gune at Vickers last to now in. They were turning out 30awt at one time. they will now so or new tyse with air recuperators. take te Bench 754aot sponys like ours 250 oftse have be ordered also then are getting the old field guas in Fance - 2000 of them. fitted in herm with anr bufters wstead of the sorings. The
who. X ti Nov2 oooper ovrwoe 60aOr 9.2 63 6 bords 28 5 sor Hope X 10 vick agr last Je for 186 shell 12/ Cost acts from X wie be 7500 2166 wome at Cast at 5$20 pri Ma £2p some paces 64 & Solden 16 Filli Toc0 2000 Co I believe work to be don't of the bases in Bance Vickers will ship the cylinders over there- To our field ans arebing 44 st a ao 9
10 brought into rwalry art the 75 all thie does give one hopes the I daresay thy are short of explosives, for gretua freen, the Soot gunt hers factory is comcentraty on explosives at first Fleaven oter ty till Cater. Tae we cave to 15i guns & a huge turnet for the Ramillies. There is a spliater chield now put round the Carrel af gun itself inside tet to prevent splbers fetting tro the fun port in Farmour T care also 18 Ms being made somewhere to ome ships - prob the Turions courageous + other Hust sleepy bugh dcrases una not unlike the Repalse & Renesn

AWM38

Official History,

1914-18 War:  Records of C E W Bean,

Official Historian.
Diaries and Notebooks
Item number:  3DRL606/62/1
Title:  Diary, October 1916

Discusses howitzers and artillery and refers to

Sir Keith Murdoch and the Dardanelles

Commission.
AWM38-3DRL606/62/1

 

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DIARY NO. 62.

AWM38
3DRL 606 ITEM 62 [1] 

DIARIES AND NOTES OF C.E.W. BEAN

CONCERNING THE WAR OF 1914-1918

THE use of these diaries and notes is subject to conditions laid down in the terms
of gift to the Australian War Memorial.  But, apart from these terms, I wish the following circumstances and considerations to be brought to the notice of every
reader and writer who may use them.
These writings represent only what at the moment of making them I believed to be
true.  The diaries were jotted down almost daily with the object of recording what
was then in the writer's mind. Often he wrote them when very tired and half asleep; 

also, not infrequently, what he believed to be true was not so - but it does not 

follow that he always discovered this, or remembered to correct the mistakes when

discovered.  Indeed, he could not always remember that he had written them.

These records should, therefore, be used with great caution, as relating only what 

their author, at the time of writing, believed.  Further, he cannot, of course, vouch  

for the accuracy of statements made to him by others and here recorded.  But he

did try to ensure such accuracy by consulting, as far as possible, those who had 

seen or otherwise taken part in the events.  The constant falsity of second-hand 

evidence (on which a large proportion of war stories are founded) was impressed 

upon him by the second or third day of the Gallipoli campaign, notwithstanding that 

those who passed on such stories usually themselves believed them to be true.  All 

second-hand evidence herein should be read with this in mind.

16 Sept., 1946.

C.E.W. BEAN.

AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL

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Repulse [shorthand]
Triple guns

Enormous    Fire protection for seamen

canteen 

baths

hot air

[shorthand] 

Hand drawn diagram – see original document

Repulse

Warspite   62

14+4

Campania & split funnels

3 months german have been at 15 17

fired better [shorthand]. A battle [shorthand] pattern are

[shorthand ]. We cannot spot a [shorthand ]

we possibly

can get there within 48 hours.

from Turk we cannot see which new ships are lost

there is

Warspite vessel short gunnel are [shorthand]

24 [shorthand]

Marlboro gun situation at 17 km

oil

Navy does not under rate germans.

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it is dangerous stuff. The 

Germans & we are both after

a good delay action fuse

- to delay the burst until

they are deep down inside

/ ship - but neither have
a perfect shell yet.

Aug Oct 20. (written at time & so
out of place).

From Furness Abbey Hotel,

in Vickers cars, to Barrow.

Saw model of 1887 Nordenfelt

submarine, & of K class submarine

cruiser ordered - a steamer of 40,000

tons. wh left here 6 weeks ago

for her delivery trials. 24 km.

to accompany the battleship. Two funnels

wh let fold 2. 4 in guns

& an aeroplane gun.

Howitzer shop. New since

war before order

 

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was one heavy How. in 3 months.

Nov 1 9.2 How every day; 91

of them in last 92 days. Just finishing
they are just finishing
[* 6 .in*] lot of 225. Of 6 in hows 208 gone to date

8 ordered yesty for Russia to be
shipped tonight - most urgent (i.e. 216)

Had to put different compositn in

their buffers for Russia - so

delayed a few hours. Go off

tonight in xx train with official

from Ministry of Munitions

on train.

[*9.2*]

9.2 Hows - 225 in first order first order 

New lot of 28 will then be gone
on with - after that, 75 in

another lot; improved guns 

in new lot - higher charge &

10,000 yds range against 8000.

This gun is most commonly

manufacd now.

[*8 in*]

Then into 8 in How shop.

This is a new improved gun,

8500 yds range - it is the

 

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heaviest gun on wheels. The 

9.2 has to be taken off carriage

for moving, but 8 in is simply

dragged abt on its own wheels

Has a 90 degrees traverse - 45 each

way (is this possible? or did I 

mis understand it - surely it

wd topple its wheels over).

[620 hows in all bn supplied so far, I think

tt ws / figure]

208 6in hows already in 

France. These beginning to wear

out - stood 3000 to 4000 shots - much

more than expected. War

office has arranged for extra

guns to be made to replace 

these - Circulation is set up,

new guns for replacement

going to France, old guns

always returning to Eng

& being refitted & going out

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again.  The first of the 6 in

guns were only turned out

12 months ago. 4 have

previously bn sent by Vickers

to Russia.

Contract for these guns is

sublet - as new other firms

make parts. They are

assembled in outside places;

brought to Vickers. Vickers

test them and finish them off.

As many as 24 in one week

finished.

Cost of 6 in how:  abt £5000 - £6000

               9.2 ₤9 000 to ₤10 000

Then we come to

Evidently 6 in was the how. till

lately but now the 8 in & 9.2 are

 taking its place as the main heavy

gun . I 

Then we came to the 12 in

 

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how. wh goes on a heavy

steel mounting but not on

a rly truck necessarily. The

gun is lifted off and packs on its

transport for removal

The present 12in how is

Mk IV & has for 3000 to 4000

yds more range than the

previous pattern - i.e. will

throw 12000 to 14 000 yds.

The first plans for the

modern heavy hows were

delivered in Sept 1914. The

first gun ws ready for testing

in Feb. 1915. Continuous

orders were not given delivered till

Sept 1916.

The works have just

abt reached their

 

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maximum speed - they

expect to continue it for

a year.

18 pdr. This interested me bec.

I know how vitally important

this gun is to infantry in the

field.

They are just finishing

an order of 866 field guns

at Vickers - last 10 now in.

They were turning out 30 a wk

at one time.

They will now go on  to a

new type with "air

recuperators" like the French

75 - not springs like ours. 

250 of these have bn ordered.

Also they are getting the old guns

field guns in France - 2000 of them -

fitted in turn with air buffers

instead of steel the springs. The

 

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Lancaster Notes

Nov [shorthand]

over 100,000 per wk

9.2. 60 [shorthand]

This stand are the more [shorthand]

60pdr 6 in     9.2 

wks. 6516 1128   4012

(new shop)     300 increase a week 

to 7500

Hope to get

10,000

(managed by Vickers)

[[Aqr]] last July were paying 21/6

for 18 pdr shell

brought back to 12/6

Cost accts from 10 factories to manufacture

every month.

 

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women ₤1 at least

up to ₤2.05 premium

men ₤2/5 in some places - up to

₤4.

Hand drawn diagram – see original document

←soldered & pegged

Filling. Spread personnel when in similar stands

3000 [shorthand]

2000 men

52. [shorthand]

25 order sund.

3½ days mentioned held

work I believe is to be done

at the bases in France -

Vickers will ship the cylinders

over there -

So our field guns are being

 

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brought into rivalry with the 75.

All this does give one great hopes -

tho' I daresay they are short of

explosives, for Gretna Green, the

great new ∧Govt factory is concentrating

on explosives at first & leaving

other things till later. 

Then we come to 15in xxxx 

guns & a huge turret for the

Ramillies. There is a splinter

shield now put round the barrel

o / gun itself inside the turret

to prevent splinters getting

thro the gun port in / armour.

There are also 18 in guns

being made somewhere for

some ships - prob. the Furious

Courageous and other "Hush ships"

huge unarmoured cruisers

not unlike the Repulse & Renown

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