Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/61/1 - October 1916 - Part 3

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First World War, 1914–18
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24 had beeen exceedingly kind in teleptoning all over London forme to find if he had returned Birdie painted out at once to what Haghes wante we clearly for him to give a lead to the soldeers. He never hesitated a moment. I too cd see at ona a reason for this. If the solders voted No- that ad kill the question the people at home ad never vote yes if their army here voted no. So it ara The Aushalian wote ws to be later atter the result of
4.1.F.3 22 know vote cos I fancy Haghes had a this thanking Arranger th A.6.F wdbe cartain yes. any way. to vote it was no ase Birdie Sendiy a message to Anstaba of the A 1E The thing to No do voted army to the Sit ws t Yes wote Birdin otd ane had seen Lloyd George while he ws here mardoc asked if he might come cno Mur dock wantio Birdword to send a message to Austratia
25 sloyd Grorp apud too to B. shd do this - antil Birdwood painter onl tt if he did it might be saidt apponents to hat he was Seca 00 much s advntha he had ordering the soldiers how to vote apedit Lt. Geo we decided not to do this; but Murdach Cot letters of introdastin to Hay & Joffre & started for Irance to sit messages fom Each them if possible. This shows how L. Seor hangs on the Anstiation attitude how amportant he thinks it
8 24 Bardword did lesitats He got me to sit down I dictation write to his a weas. 1to the men saying to he wanted them to vote by their conscience & ott inpuence them in cay way. But he added to he migh tell them to he probably nenew better than they di, the a need for reinforcemats. He was ad nos like to sare thay see any 01 wails w all hetoadations histon broken up. shee was a need for men. If effert of Austialia were the brave relaxed now, all sach before lives know
25 cod have on sacrifie an vain. The good had told them what exeuptions toa were to be - they maedas fear to 1brother left as hame t mand I busines wd be called to culist the men whom it ad soperiel get were I shubers who were at present filling all Inice fat bitets wh se wanted to see our men in on their return or their retations at her I wante The Soh cos to be tomorrow. arged to if possible this ought to & cd be wered But the A.U.F. tonight
50 8 Head ges ed it couldit I think still it could. However - Cot wright ed not. So B. asked if the stet edbe put of a day of two - woeght, who s anderson (who is managin the business of getting the vote taken se it coold. So 133 were asked them to pastsoning it. I don't know one but the effect of these steps. Tey are very risky I am sure I should have tried every way I could to have got
27 the wire across witout posponi 1 poll - but I didn't put my reasons strongly tho 13 cd see it to I wanted there 1t15 I hope it does the business. Inr I am suie conscriptioof right OOF16 Mond came Inververs train theg by night snow hills. Past great slyps in Crowartz Dirte a sort of rest cure forr say. tired ships, they Then to thurso But there Bitterly cold was naval captain o hearl to receive us Tthe had
12 28 asked the landlary to put bed. hot wate botold, in ever the toth us on Mues. Oct. 1714 a cistroger- tthe fan fleet a doive t the ough te grin demine scottel country to a gon repressed wtly seotest port There the Cin (5) own destraye the OakI was wanting to us. It was the first clecin in a wes afawful tta saidl. The Leant weather, thre Heriditz o stonted is Captain good hum ondyo instouations. from the wharf We quickt wit a picked up speed white hillock of wake piled up behind us trailes out a 20cket we like the track o
out from 29 I Saept the low down green & brown shores the norkermast end of this sland 800 miles in leag of the coast of surope as Rosssart (I think it i5. describer it thead was a low down brown a green island every Ross? I like Leados thought Cand the bills around the failway yesterdy were very like san Bair the cleery Lient. Commander they are all such adeery hearty chaps told us dogens of yorns of the fleet In te early days of twar there were some Jerman submarnes about 4
36 & a1ot of mestakes said used to be made. Destrogers were always fighten their own wake. You know a destroyers wake where it weats a current or a rip will thow up a little featter of foam just like that one (we had been likd a watcher a then cockatoos crest recu along the crest o wake some clestroyers alead of us in Scapa How wh were practising at torpedom the Iron Duke & her battle Squadyon.) It bok very abmarate maet like a sto -like the team indeed periscope make her XX

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had been exceedingly kind in
telephoning all over London
for me to find time if he
had returned.
Birdie pointed out
at once tt what Hughes
wanted ws, for clearly, for
him to give a lead to the
soldiers. He never
hesitated a moment. After
I too cd see at once a
reason for this. If the
soldiers voted No - that
wd kill the question;
the people at home wd
never vote Yes if their
army here voted No.
So it ws no The Australian
vote ws to be later -
after the result o / Sept
 

 

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Always A.I.F.'s vote ws known.
I fancy Hughes had
arranged this thinking tt
the A.I.F. wd be certain
to vote Yes. Anyway -
it ws no use Birdie
sending a message to
Australia if the A.I.F.
votes No. The thing to do
was to get the Army to
vote Yes.
Birdie told me tt he
had seen Lloyd George.
While he ws there Murdoch
asked if he might come
in. Murdoch wanted
Birdwood to send a
message to Australia. 

 

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LLoyd George agreed, too,
tt B. shd do this - until
Birdwood pointed out
tt if he did, it might be
said by opponents x ^that he was
seen too much like was.
advising tho’ he had ordering
the soldiers how to vote
Ll. George agreed - & it
ws decided not to do
this; but Murdoch
got letters of introductn
to Hay & Joffre &
started for France to get
messages from Each of
them if possible.
This shows how Ll.
George hangs on the
Australian attitude -
how important he thinks it. 

 

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Birdwood didnt hesitate.
He got me to sit down &
write, to his dictation,
a message to the men
saying tt he wanted them
to vote by their consciences
& not to influence them in
any way. But he added tt
he might tell them tt he
probably knew, better than
they did, the xx need for
reinforcements. He was
sure they wd not like to
see any o / units - w all
their traditions & history
- broken up. There was
a need for men. If
the effort of Australia were
relaxed now, all / good brave
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wd have bn sacrificed
in vain. The Govt had told
them what exemptions there
were to be - they neednt
fear tt / brother left at
home to mind / business
wd be called to Enlist;
the men whom it wd especially
get were / shirkers
who were at present
filling all / nice fat billets
wh he wanted to see our
men in on their return
- or their relations at home.
I wanted The poll
ws to be tomorrow - &
urged tt if possible this
ought to & cd be wired
tonight.  But the A.I.F.

 

 

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Headqrs sd it couldnt.
I think still it could.
However - Col. Wright sd
not. So B. asked if the
electn ^poll cd be put off a
day of two - Wright, who
ws under Anderson (who is
managing the poll business
of getting the vote taken)
sd it could. So B.
asked them to wire
postponing it.
I don't know one
bit the effect of these
steps. They are very
risky I am sure.
I should have tried every
way I could to have got
 

 

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the wire across without
postponing / poll - but
I didnt put my reasons
strongly tho' B. cd see
tt I wanted it.
There it is. I hope it
does the business. For I
am sure conscription is
right.
OCT 16.
Mond. Came to Inverness
by night train - thro'
snow hills. Past great
ships in Cromarty Firth
- a sort of rest cure for
tired ships, they say.
Then to Thurso.
Bitterly cold. But there
was a hearty naval captain
to receive us; & he had 

 

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asked the landlady to put a
hot water bottle in every bed.
Tues. Oct. 17th .  They took us on
a destroyer to the grand
fleet. a drive past the
through the grim demure
scottish country to a grim
repressed little Scottish port.
There the C. in C’s own destroyer
- The Oak - was waiting for
us. It was the first decent
day in a week of awful
weather, they said. The hearty
Captain Meredith - shouted us 
good humour and instructions.
from the wharf.  We quickly
picked up speed & with a
white w hillock of wake piled
up behind us & trailed out
like the track of a rocket we

 

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swept through out from the low
dour green & brown shores
- the northernmost end of
"this island 800 miles in length
off the coast of Europe" as
Froissant (I think it is).
describes it.
Ahead was a low dour
brown & green island. Very
like Lemnos - Ross & I
thought (and the hills
around the railway yesterday
were very like Sari Bair)
The cheery Lieut. Commander
- they are all such cheery
hearty chaps - told us
dozens of yarns of the fleet.
In the early days of / war
there were some German
submarines about - he

 

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said - & a lot of mistakes
used to be made. Destroyers
were always fighting
their own wake. You know,
a destroyers wake where
it meets a current or a
rip will throw up a little
feather of foam just like
that one (we had been
watching a thing like a
cockatoos crest racing
along the crest o / wake
of some destroyers ahead
of us in Scapa Flow, wh
were practising at torpedoing
the Iron Duke & her battle
Squadron.) It looks very
much like a destroyer submarine
indeed - like the foam
tt her periscope makes

 

 
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