Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/60/1 - September - October 1916 - Part 9

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88 The by car will be far move comfortable but I am at thei moment ashamed to take it. If it hadnt bu to Col Anderson had alreade war officed asker for the p1 car I shd have trud to get white to give me a permanent right to sidle in th Angac cars alto they are often not available & not near So convenient As Foote said to Smith in pont of an elderly major at Marseilles who was acting as landing officer couldad understand to St Angae CS a lnit Swik well win this war in spite beggars like that!
89 we made a raw on the Jernans last night & fot no identificate alto we were their trenches 13 menated 19th Br) a only two shell shallered Jermans were found Par Bounbt Caster 20 mens Ct 11.55 512.15 Th germans also raided -on two places close as together. One sais reashed ur trenhes but as the had bombarded them from 5p to 6.30 wehas witdrawn ( men down common to the planks all except m. go - the said ws easily beaten of possibly without enteriy. The other party ws caught by our mgs in crosseng Nomanslan
30 o sot half wa across, I went over with Buther, today, o Levy t dench alter tgis of the Intelligence of the 36th French Corps in Rosendael (Dubunt of Dungnergue). Their acreat photographic expert her has just cented the aerial stereoscopic photo -k two photos taken 100 welies apart in stead of at the distance of your two eyes oit is awonderful success the sanddunes stand out under it thethey wd took flat toe observer up there at 3400 wetres. The ent photograpt is better than their phobs at
31 13,000 feet are like ours at $2000. You can see men & guns in a phots taken at 13,000 fo. The posts ofa barbed wire cotanglement. Tese Ireach officers excecingly well anformed, a I noticed. Aoe lnch there crose gacation of what had happened on the British front last night - we raided near Betture & found proct no one at all in 1 trench there as no artiller reply or rifh fire. They kvew 7 + a lot more. Butler this had not heard of it. Their mapping arrangements are far more complete them ours, & then apparates vast
3s better so far as we co see. we went home by way of Dunkergue round the harbour where for the first time since leaving Eqyes we saw alarge montor & Several small oves The Sir Thomas More was in harbour & 3other by monitors gatside, com from the Work. we had tea on a Franch tea shop on delightfou cakes - & came Lome thro! Bergue - the ott green ramparts of which the moat, & belfries & towers, are the most romant beautiful picture I have Seen Montrenit since
93 The fermans had several shots at it, pom 13wite away, they say; & several couses including a corner cafe on the square near the betfry are messung or openedon like dollshouses & the same yan, Leay said, we the one wh fired on Dunkergi & hit the big church there We saw the church. Onr single shell had prett well smashed upthe whot in side of it. A6t Our raiks t the bones of them tave 62 follow
34 Ant t Dwn Racd abt Sept Maay wrote I had a raidiy team last night oh found Boas waiting for them on the parapet The team hoower, clared t y admirable, Kelling some 20 Bosches in hand to hand fiftt, & lting & orisoners, of whom two were obstincte & decided to stay in Domanslaw. The teais casnallies were.1off suightly W.. 200. wd & L os du fw The tean (sokn) is naluale very pleased itself today to my raid the right before foun th E cpty bath smashe but MV.14 by arti boylt back necessary idetifications takan be Tis wants with of course a salt little 95 CanC trough 18 Sept. Bnddring Commander congretilates and army on rebults from resent raids Army Commander adds ontinu al present tim a continuate of such manas ofinsin greatht be desired 15 While 15 terfor to ask t Each Dwn preparitis be made to any out as many raids as Will Dive Commdrs possible kind ty submit a programig accordigly Hast From Army (o 4x4 Div) Identification are reeded of enemy troops between Knined Farm o the Yores Omrnes Rl Sept 19 2nt Army say raids have shown tin most parts opp end army 6ot enemy 15 weak in nathers morale. Army Cound wished a series of rawds rather cimltancon on successivo nights in abt 10 days 5 ane
96 att 30SeS. 1et Dien proposed 2 paids, 75PBn at (2) L. 34. d. 30.72, & I 34. 6. 40. 04. But not at Hill 60 (bec there our own works are inan cnstabley condity & it will be some tiue before dy arein order (6) The evemy has too distincty teers Ffire (white thinks 3 &other reasons. white agreed artity proposed Den P raids his stent 1020 Sept arty stant 28 Sept. 2, 300m 5, 19.C. 2. 6. 40 men 18Bo without arty preparatu but "box after entry. No special were calt needed. (3) 15t Oct. 2am L24. d. 9½ 2. 70me 20 Bn aart & F.M. preparato. Were has to be sut. 8) 415 Oct. 12 pm. L 30 69. 8½ 50 men of 19B arty & F.H. also on Mr Sorrel. doubtful abt the Selent Ran white
97 arty to be turmd on as soon as saids enter to White doubts use of these we. to capture sentries- have Biit son capte on Somme ( to 30 lept). 29 heavy guns & hows. 92 Gieldpins & hows. 103 F. res. mg 39 41 1 (2) (3.) Kattent Divn to 257Sert. 03671 98 Di Boll propose 46 Enat Sept. 30.Hollandscheschuur Far Salient at N. 12.d. 3.1. Sept 30. 67 Bn at 07602 t 22 (hates 271) (Catu. O.8.A 4 71 Sept 27o0 28. 13 Bn. 62C3/2 Catu: Oed 77 Mater - 262) Sept 27 or 28 15 Bn No S crater Sept 26027 16B O369.1. in ton feist so of men abt 25 sine 106 15 in (3). 810 5) (2) to be a sebeet raid & (3)19)6) more like "cattin out expeditis o by strong patrols. (also sibent) White asks what is a cattin expedit? Also number seet a bil small. Also - had ke were bu considered He writed. Ar regards (E)) our to previous) experience has shown to a silent rait is a diffioul operation, the success of wh as largely dependent upon clanc & to and Drn our previous Exp has shown to such atlept are extrencly deffernt &depun for success upon eve being particularly puiet Danobervart as well as upon previous carefy reconnensance & preparato).
2a 20pamned 1ansac Pw. 2 rai. 99 2 Dw. a gaits & bwv. ra Vil Corps. 3rows latte &2) IX Coipo. 30 Du. 3 raids 7 Dis. arants II Ausac: SHart Din (15 Rd) 1 rait. 34 Dwvm Braid as from 36 Ow. 7 Div. Branks force possible Stokes Mertar boul on all ports 200 Esilts Sept. 10 ad Dm 25 16 Bn 102 pc0 10 men. were to big for our wire cutters, & new were placed then on trases Party got to within 15 or 20 y0s Stegan there o then bombed. cras. sdt have by hard. Signal for starting arty cdat be go by tlephone as this failed It we accly the 1st shot fire by our party german M. gs. fired on our pt pot art diversion in sapel one sayer cashalty 15 Bn Sept.

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The big car will be far 
more comfortable; but I 
am at this moment ashamed 
to take it. If it hadnt bn 
tt Col. Anderson had already 
asked ^the war office for the  £11 car I shd 
have tried to get White to 
give me a permanent right 
to ride in the Anzac Cars,
altho' they are only often not 
available & not nearly so 
convenient.
As Foote said to Smith 

in front of an Elderly Major 

at Marseilles who was 

acting as Landing Officer &

couldnt understand tt 

1st Anzac  ws a "Unit": " Smith 

we'll win this war in spite 

of beggars like that!".
 

 

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We made a raid on the 

Germans last night & got no 

identificatn altho we were in 

their trenches 13 minutes

(19th Bn). A Only two shell 

shattered Germans were found.

Our Bombt lasted 20 mins

(at 12 (11.55 to 12.15.)

The Germans also raided 

us -in two places close 

together. One raid reached 

our trenches, but as they
 had bombarded them from 

5pm to 6.30 we had 

withdrawn / men down 

Commn Trench & to the flanks, 

all except m.gs - & the 

raid ws easily beaten off 

possibly without entering. The 

other party ws caught by our 

m.g.s in crossing No mans land.
 

 

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& only got half way 

across.

I went over with

Butler, today, & Lėvy, to 

lunch at the Hqrs of the

Intelligence of the 36th French

Corps in Rosendael (Suburb 

of Dunq kerque). Their aerial 

photographic expert there 

has just invented the aerial 

stereoscopic photo - the 

two photos taken 100 metres 

apart instead of at the 

distance of your two eyes-

& it is a wonderful success;

The sand dunes stand out 

under it tho' they wd look 

flat to the xxx observer up

there at 3400 metres. The

French photography is better 

than ours - their photo at
 

 

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13000 feet are like ours 

at 2000. You can see men
& guns in a photo taken at

13000 ft, & the posts of a 

barbed wire entanglement.

These French officers 

are exceedingly well informed,

I noticed. At lunch there 

arose question of what 

had happened on the British 

front last night - we raided 

near Bethune & found practically 

no one at all in / trench & 

there ws no artillery reply 

or rifle fire. They knew 

this - & a lot more. Butler 

& I had not heard of it.

Their mapping arrangements 

are far more complete than 

ours, & their apparatus vastly
 

 

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better so far as we cd 

see. We went home by way 

of Dunk erque - round 

the harbour where for the 

first time since leaving Egypt 

we saw A large monitor

&  several small ones.

The Sir Thomas More was 

in harbour & 3 other big 

monitors outside, coming 

from the North.

We had tea in a French 

tea shop on delightful 

cakes - & came home 

thro' Bergue - the old 

green ramparts of which, &
the moat, & belfries &
towers, are the most romantic

beautiful picture I have 

seen since Montreuil.
 

 

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93

The Germans had several 

shots at it, from 18 miles 

away, they say; & hit 

several houses including 

a corner cafe' on the 

square near the belfrey 

are missing or opened out

like dolls houses. The same 

gun, Levy said, ws the 

one wh fired on Dunkerque 

& hit the big church there.

We saw the church. One 

single shell had pretty 

well smashed up the 

whole side of it.

Oct 6th Our raids- 

the ^dry bones of them - have 

bn as follows:-
 

 

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5th ^Aust Divn Raid abt 17 Sept.

M'Cay wrote: I had a raiding 

team last night wh found Bosches 

waiting for them on the parapet.

The team, however, cleared the trench 

admirably,killing some 20 

Bosches in hand to hand fight,

& taking 4 prisoners, of whom 

two were obstinate & decided to 

stay in Nomansland. The teams 

casualties were: 1 offr. slightly 

w., 2 o.r. wd & 1 o.r. died of w.

The team (30Bn) is naturally 
very pleased w itself today
My raid the night before found
the trenches empty & badly smashed 

by Arty & M.T.M., but 

brought back the necessary 
identifications-"

[This wants to be
 taken with a little salt, of course].
 

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C. in. C, through

18 Sept. 2nd Army Commander 

congratulates 2nd army on 

results from recent raids. Army Commander 

adds: Continuation "at / present time a 

continuatn of such minor offensives 

is greatly to be desired"

White is "therefore to ask tt in

Each Divn preparations be made to 

carry out as many raids as 

possible.  Will Divl Commdrs 

kindly submit a programme 
accordingly". 

From Army (To 1st & 4 ^Aust Div.) " Identificatns 
are needed of enemy troops 

between Ruined Farm 

& the Ypres Comines Rly.

Sept 19.  2nd Army says tt
raids have shown tt in most 

parts opp. 2nd Army 

enemy is "weak ^both in numbers

& morale."

Army Commdr wished a 

series of raids either simultaneously

or on successive nights "in abt 10 days time"
 

 

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1st Divn: proposed 2 raids, abt 30 Sept, 7 & 8 Bn at
I.34.d.30.72, & I 34.b.40.04.
But not at Hill 60 bec there
(1) Our own works are in an
unstable conditn & it will be some
time before they are in order.
(2)  The enemy has two distinct tiers
of fire (White thinks 3)
& other reasons.
White agreed.

2nd Divn. Proposed 34 raids & artillery
stunt.

(1) 26 Sept arty stunt

(2) 28 Sept. 2.30am. J.19.c.1/2.6.

40 men 18 Bn without 

arty preparatn but "box"

after entry. No special 

wire cutting needed.

(3) 1st Oct. 2am. I24.d.9 1/2 2.

70 men 20Bn w arty &

T.M. preparatn. Wire has 

to be cut.

(4) 4/5 Oct. 12p.m. I.30.b9.8 1/2

50 men of 19 Bn. arty & T.M.

- also on Mt Sorrel.

White is "doubtful abt the Silent Raid".
 

 

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X Arty to be turned on as soon
as raids enter trenches

.White doubts use of these exc. to capture
sentries -

Brit. Now have captd on Somme (:to 30 Sept):
29 heavy guns & hows.

92 field guns & hows.
103 T.Ms.

397 M.G.


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98

?Div

4th Bde propose

(1) Sept. 30 ^46 Bn at Hollandscheschuur Farm

Salient at N.12.d.3.1.

 

(2) Sept 30. 47 Bn at 0 7 b 0 1/2 to 22.

*{(3) Sept 27 or 28. (Later 27th) 13  Bn O 2 C 3 1/2 1 (Later. O.8.a 1/4 7 1/2)
*{(4) Sept 27 or 28 (later-26th) 15 Bn No 5 Crater (later 0 2 d 77)
*{(5) X Sept 26 or 27. 16Bn O 3 b 9.1.

[* X altered by  Divn to 25th Sept. 
03 b 7.1.*]No of men abt 25 eacht time in two first,
& 10 to 15 in (3). (4) & (5).

(2) to be silent raid & (3) (4) (5)
more like "cutting out expeditns"

by strong patrols. (also silent)
 (White asks what is a "cutting 

Expeditn"?  Also numbers seem
a bit small. Also - "has the 

wire bn considered?"
He writes: As regards (2), our 

x previous experience has shown
tt a silent raid is a difficult 

operation, the success of wh
is largely dependent upon chance".

& to 2nd Divn: "Our previous
exp. has shown tt such attempts 

are extremely difficult & depend
for success upon / enemy being 

particularly quiet & unobservant
as well as upon previous careful 

reconnaissance & preparatn).
 

 

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2 Army / Anzac. Programmes.

1 Div. 2 raids

2 Div. 4 raids 

4 Div. 5 raids

VIII Corps 3 raids (altered to 2)

IX  Corps. 36 Div. 3 raids

7 Div. 4 raids

II Anzac. 5 Aust Divn (15Bde) 1 raid
               34 Divn. 3 raids

{as from 36 Div. 7 Div. Franks Force
                  if possible.

Stokes Mortar. bombt on all fronts.
 
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Results 

25 Sept. 16Bn. at 10 p.m

.1 off. 2.ncos 10 men.

Wire too big for our wire cutters,

& new wire placed there on trestles.

Party got to within 15 or 20 yds 

stopped there & then bombed.

Cries sd to have bn heard

.Signal for starting arty cdnt 

be gn by telephone as this failed.

It ws accly the 1st shot fired 

by our party.

German m.gs. fired on our 

arty diversion - so pty got 

in safely w one slight casualty.

26th Sept. 15 Bn

 

 


 










 

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