Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/57/1 - August - September 1916 - Part 2

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10 Jerman theor but Germaus have not once succeeded here against these "tough troops, as they call them. The general is aft to past a division at a place lake Poyieres & then talk of the unnec- essary loss of life being due to the Divl. Commander lesing a quite unnecessary number of troops.. My dear chap, to take on of these lightly held positis you dont want a great depth in tattack - you
3 dont need a bost of men all swarving over place to be shelled to hell next day. Quite a light time will do it. But I germans know trunch we get into & we do not; & unless we have mer so swarming to they Swarm into every part, we are apt to find omr thin line in parts of truck only. Eveny know Talleys tro wh to attack us & we knowing nothing at all
12 you went over pretty then, didn't you. Sen. Glasgon asket Harwood. Thin as tisine paper, ws I reply Harwood sd he wd tck it again anyday - but he did at know th he wd doso with 600 men. Lebt officers to follow heir own barreg to keep close up to it, "he sel. You may get a few fellows hit in I back to was bubits better to have a few hil th way them to have evemys of m. gs mowrn you down of youre slow.
13 We could have been up to Monjuet farm on July 22/3, I doresay, if I staff off army, had be prepared for it 5 & we cd certainly have had councelette on Aug 415. B0 The imagination of the staf doesn't seem equal to these occasions. They don't realise to when we break thio' a front here is asually nothig i - 0 t behind there is in ours more ta
if they only looked at the qiles of empty trunched go through to reach our own pout tine & consdered it it is probly the same w Isering Tey wight devise some plan of pustin this little offensives a great deal withen than My as it is we have to give up the theory th this battle is an attempt to fish thro! It becomes simply a by diversion a gigantec frint. Expensive but probably worth it
13 if it tees the fermans here Te only inritating consideration is + we did not sufer from such a poverty of brains we shod prot be able to make it a movevent wh wd create for more consternation awongt Germans - tcy wod be at their wils ends if we once really began to move; + I troops
16 opposit us to crumble The troops off. us are now, by the way part of the Kndguard Reserve Dion - come back for the 3rd time Aftr going a Glasgow to the 13th I. Amb. I went to Contay & awcens. At Amiens Beach - Thomas toto me to 1 plan of Lord Burnham & other propreetors t replace him, Gibbs, & Ferry-Robenson by Bartlett, Philips, & some
oker chap had been porponed for time Apparently this is due to Jen. Harg who put his foot down. The Press officers and was office to to me lot February to Bartlett never stood Slightest chance of ever getting any employment again in areas controlled by I was office The Conrespondents Pibbs, Rassell, Perry Rob. inson, & Beach Thomas took opportunity of telling me definitely to no
action had be taken by them what so ever to have my despatches interfered with. Gibbs sd further, to he had spoken to Col. Hulton Wilson, E Wilson had assured him to no correspt. had made any representation & to 1 action taken had be solely due to my despatches appear heade "Official a Captain" Bean. believe Jibbs absolutey & be other chaps - I do not
think they were so mean altho Robinson told me before to he thought one man hadad something to do with it. But I don't know tt I do believe H. Wilson Eiter he or Loyd George is romance bec. Ltoy) George gave this reason explicitly & enlarged on it. Where did be get it from Aug. 38S1 Weat to Raincheval fet some things at ordrance. & couldnt

 

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German theory but / 

Germans have not once

 succeeded here against

 these "tough" troops, as 

they call them.  The General 

is apt to push a division 

at a place like Pozieres 

& then talk of the "unnecessary

loss of life"  being

due to the Divl. Commander

using "a quite unnecessary

number of troops . . . My

dear chap, to take one

of these lightly held positions

 you dont want great 

depth in / attack - you
 

 

 

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dont need a host of men

all swarming over / place

to be shelled to hell next 

day.  Quite a light line 

will do it. . . . "

But / Germans know /

trench we get into & we

do not; & unless we 

have men so swarming tt

they swarm into every

part, we are apt to

find our thin line in

parts o / trench only, /

enemy knowing / alleys

thro wh to attack us & 

we knowing nothing at all.
 

 

 

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"You went over pretty

thin, didn't you?" Gen. Glasgow

asked Harwood.

"Thin as tissue paper"

ws /reply.
Harwood sd he wd tackle

it again anyday - but

he didn't know tt he wd do so 

with 600 men. "Get / officers

to follow their own barrage 

- to keep close up to it,"  he 

sd "you may get a few

fellows hit in / back tt way,

but its' better to have a 

few hit tt way than to have

/ enemys f m. gs mowing 

you down if you're slow."
 

 

 

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We could have been up

to Mouquet Farm on July 

22/3, I daresay, if / staff of / 

Army had bn prepared

for it; & we cd certainly

have had Courcelette on 

Aug 4/.5.  But The 

imagination of the staff

doesnt seem equal to

these occasions. They dont 

realise tt when we break

thro' a front there is

usually nothing in /

trenches behind - any 

more than there is in ours
 

 

 

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if they only looked at the miles
of empty trenches you go through
to reach our own front line &
considered tt it is probly the same w / Germs. 
They might devise some plan of pushing
this little offensives a great deal 
further than they go. As it is 
we have to give up 

the theory tt this battle 

is an attempt to push

thro'.  It becomes simply

a big diversion - 

a gigantic feint.  Expensive 

but probably worth it
 

 

 

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if it ties the Germans

here.                                                               

The only irritating

consideration is tt if 

we did not suffer

from such a poverty 

of brains w shd probly

be able to make it

a movement wh wd 

create far more

consternation amongst 

/ Germans - they wd 

be at their wits ends 

if we once really began

to move, & / troops
 

 

 

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opposite us to

crumble.

The troops opp. us

are now, by the way,

part of the 2nd Guard

Reserve Divn - come

back for the 3rd time.
——

After going w Glasgow to

the 13th F. Amb.  I went to

Contay & Amiens.  At 

Amiens Beach - Thomas told

me tt / plan of Lord Burnham

& other proprietors to replace

him, Gibbs, & Perry-Robinson

by Bartlett, Philips, & some
 

 

 

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other chap had been

postponed for / time. 

Apparently this is due

to Gen. Haig who put 

his foot down. The 

Press officers at / War

office told me last February

tt Bartlett never stood / 

slightest chance of ever

getting any employment 

again in areas controlled

by / War Office.

The correspondents -

Gibbs, Russell, Perry Robinson, 

& Beach Thomas 

took / opportunity of telling

me definitely tt no
 

 

 

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action had bn taken

by them what so ever to

have my despatches

interfered with. Gibbs sd

further, tt he had spoken 

to Col. Hutton Wilson, & Wilson

had assured him tt no

correspt.  had made any

representation & tt / 

action taken had bn solely

due to my despatches appearing

headed "Official" & 

"Captain" Bean.

I believe Gibbs absolutely

& the other chaps - I do not
 

 

 

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think they were so 

mean, altho' Robinson

told me before tt he thought 

one man had had a

something to do with it. 

But I don't know tt

I do believe H. Wilson.  

Either he or Lloyd George

is romancing, bec. Lloyd

George gave this reason

explicitly & enlarged on

it. Where did he get it

from ?

Aug. 31st

Went to Raincheval

to get some things at

ordnance & couldn't
 

 

 

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