Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/49/1 - July 1916 - Part 4

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35 bombardent& only oneman a live - who they killed. P the trenches were crowded bec of this thag's warning. If so, it in our favour. We want trethes crawded when we go over & when we bombard. Te details of all these raids, & notes of the daily occurences are in ohw notebooks) Ross + I were in homourlone an different meas Bmess, with Saythe, Cennedy, Seye, C Young Carrathers, Herbertson, Smith, Baker (the Carrist who acts as expert on Courtsmartice & a Belgian captain of the Belgian penadier guards - arealy nicl chep who ws in the Rece
36 of Antweep & retind last out of it, pretty well; & for 2 days wandered trough woods wit 200 picked new (te rest te had sent, I fam over Dotch fntiee to be interne) through woods, seattered at times parabel a ferman Avelry till tey reached Ostend. a griffits sd to me at dinner - Oh, I know you'll gocome along with us – a propos of Ross staying in Baillenl Is made me tink immediatly Halls - We must have order to go Bak! What I heard from N.E. Div. H.Q. the next day made we sare. Hastings (JR.OS -intelligence) sd. were particularly sorn to be out of it now - whase
37 it is particularly sad to leave just when here is ssmething doing? So that was what was in the dir. I went to while at once & asked about the permission to take photos. Af letter her arrived from Sellheim in England saying th I war office had sd to if I were given a Commission I albe allowed to be official Photapher itwelef Sellheim sent it on to the Corps to make me a Captain if they wished. I thought they wads it but ws not sure. Greffik eerrd it thought too - b when he had seen white he told he to While ws against it.
38 I had sagpected somehowt Whit Ds agsh it. It is a very hord poaite for me in some ways - I one to I hate. I did not all myself Captain Beau - ws partic careful not to alko Lonestly I shal have like raik bec it recognises (in a sorb of way) to one is doing ones dity for I county Orrawta+ not making money outo war & it gives one, undoubledly, i any privileges - it is a passport in [ British army, nothing less. However I'm not an officer & ws partiely careful not to callingself anything exc. Mr Bean until for a whole year the Commonwealth jost had put it at I head of admy letter & the war office had be written
39 to in to aame, & the general had ased it in orders. It ws no ase my standing out aget it. But I don't want ay bremies afterwos to say oh he called himself Captain as a rough rider calls himself "Popessor" I saw White - & hedd Ocourse We can give you a commission, Bean if to vill settle it – I think its cpt you shd take these photos. I have an idee I sd. If you mink it with in way too my hands if I bavt to criticise this force afterward or any members of it. well - that is the point, he said, I've a feeling to it is wrong in principle, & yet I do think it & iportant to you shd get to record. I sd. "I'e inclied to think with
40 you to it is better not. Aftir all it peson some satisfaction to think to one io making notn out of this war - I am working a I pay of an officer without its increasing - as it does with others. I get no promotion &to I can feep hosours; & I t thenk to I have been doing as muchor my country quite as public a service as if I had been in army - O course, all my inclinate is in favour of comsession undoubledly it carries priviteges wh are valuable; but if it is joing to be ones hands in wiiting this was it an't wort it. White sd. Well I'Ultettwhat I think will do. The little man (Bridwood) has exceedingly true ideas
41 on there subjects. Wi put it to him & th see what he says- we will go by what he says To it we lef at th A few days later after we came lout white told ane to Birdie ws agst giving me I commo if it ed be avoided. I too kink it is better, I told White I ws ready to lump my prid after all it is a personal matter- & what does it matter? But at ti long for the war to be over just to half falso get we oub of this position wh Wate. On July 50r7 white old. we here ws 2o immedial hurry about the photos. Our Artillery were stadity moving into the live about Ploegsteert - a little N.
22 Our 715 Bde had our out Experiens to our jas released some for the Dion next door (44t or 24th - 415t had relieved the Eft Fon mo Kemmet 43 of it & S. of Kemmel. The Fth Bde ws in & the 2nd Bde As moven in. Streams of our clattern arty erday down te lny Rue de Lille Tuly 8. I went with Butler & Casey to see our new line. We wentby motor to Hyde Park Corner & it was2 wet day - but we The trees let you mote up quite close in ts part - there wd a whole collection of moter cars standing under the dripping forcos. We clambered up in the rain between the tree trunks to a green open bit of hill top Britigh where ws one of survey posts very neatly day in to the
A hill 7 Entrance. 1 It had a little window wo a good telessope? The germans possibly bill aso being anO.P. suspected the for tem were several recent shell craters in prass around it in they may have bee ained for a French being du nearly. we wanted to get from there to the post his heldbe our wea in Ivalley. N one knew quite how it ed be done. The hift was full of our G.PS. & one of officers of our, arty tege gold us that he throught we cd get down by going along a truct near. by. I led as by namerous o:p
Kimnel Hit 45 (in the making) down auhward corners -from wh Messines Stood Up in a very naked way across valley Messues J init Our front him to our subsidiary line. There ws nobody in this ling. Manbays in it were so thickly overgrown w 184 nettles, to you ad see nothing whelever from the fire step. In passing others your whole lead & shoulders were exposed to view. We adnt fint a single commn running down towards our frond tine. At las the trenth ran into a battered blde near Dead Cow Farm. The

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alive - whom they killed. Possibly

the trenches were crowded bec. of

this chap's warning. If so, it

was ^acted in our favour.  We want

trenches crowded when we go over, 

& when we bombard.

[The details of all these

raids, & notes of the daily 

occurrences are in other

notebooks].

From xxx Ross and I were in

a different mess ^from our old one - B mess, with

Smythe, Kennedy, Seys, Capt. 

young Carruthers, Herbertson,

Smith, and a Baker (the barrister

who acts as expert on courts martial)

& a Belgian captain of the

Belgian Grenadier Guards - a really 

nice chap who was in the siege

 

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of Antwerp, & retired last out of

it, pretty well; & for 2 days wandered

through woods with 200 picked

men (the rest he had sent, I fancy,

over / Dutch Frontier to be interned),

through woods, scattered at times, 

parallel w / German Cavalry till

they reached Ostend.

It Griffiths sd to me at 

dinner- "Oh, I know you'll go come

along with us" - a propos of 

Ross staying in Bailleul.

It made me think immediately:

: "Hallo - we must have orders

to go South." What I heard 

from N.Z. Div. H.Q. the next

day made me sure. No

Hastings (G.S.O 3 - intelligence) sd:

"We're particularly sorry to be

out of it now - we shd have 

 

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it is particularly sad to leave 

just when there is something

doing."

So that was what was

in the air.

I went to White at once

& asked about the permission

to take photos. A letter had 

arrived from Sellheim in England

saying th / War Office had sd

tt if I were given a Commission

I cd be allowed to be Official 

Photographer - & it was left to .

Sellheim sent it on to the Corps

to make me a Captain if they 

wished. I thought they wd do it

but was not sure. But Griffiths

who referred it thought so too - but

when he had seen White he 

told me tt White ws against it. 

 

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I had suspected somehow tt White

was agst it. It is a very hard

positn for me in some ways - &

one tt I hate. I did not call

myself Captain Bean - was particly

careful not to altho' honestly

I shd have liked / rank bec. it

recognises (in a sort of way) tt

one is doing ones duty for 

/ country [and 2 make xxxx] &

not making money out of / war;

& it gives one, undoubtedly, many

privileges - it is a passport in / 

British army, nothing less. However

I'm not an officer & ws particly

careful not to call myself anything

exc. Mr Bean until for a 

whole year the Commonwealth Govt

had put it at / head of all my letters

& the War Office had bn written

 

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to in tt name, & the General had used

it in orders - It was no use my 

standing out agst it. But I don't

want my enemies afterwds to say

"Oh - he called himself 'Captain', much as

a rough rider calls himself "Professor".

I saw White - & he sd "Of course

we can give you a commission, Bean,

if tt will settle it - I think its

impt you shd take these photos."

I sd: "If ^I have an idea you think it will might in

any some way tie my hands if I

have to criticise this force afterwards

or any members of it - "

"Well - that is the point," 

he said, "I've a feeling tt it 

is wrong in principle, & yet

I do think it is important tt 
you shd get tt record."

I sd: "I'm inclined to think with

 

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you tt it is better not. After all

I have it gives one some satisfaction to think

tt one is making nothing out of

this war - I am working w / 

pay of an officer without its

increasing - as it does with others;

I get no promotion, & no 

honours; I the think ^I can feel tt I have 

been doing as much for my 

country as if quite as public a

service as if I had been in /

army - Of course, all my

inclinatn is in favour o / commission,

undoubtedly it carries privileges

wh are valuable; but if it is going

to tie ones hands in writing this

war it isn't worth it."

White sd: Well I'll tell what

I think we'll do. The 'little man'

(Birdwood) has exceedingly true ideas

 

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on these subjects. We'll I'll put it to

him & see what he says - & 

we will go by what he says."

So it ws left at tt.

A few days later after we

came South White told me tt Birdie

ws agst giving me / comm if it 

cd be avoided.

I too think it is better. I told

White I ws ready to lump my pride 

- after all it is a personal matter - 

& what does it matter? But at times

I long for the war to be over just to

get me out of this ^half false position wh

I loathe.

On July 6 or 7 White told

me there ws no immediate hurry

about the photos. Our Artillery

were steadily moving into the

line about Ploegsteert - a little N.

 

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Our 7th Bde had our only 

experience w our gas - 

released some for the Divn next

door (41st or 24th - 41st had

relieved the 9th)
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of it & S. of Kemmel. The 

7th Bde ws in & the 2nd Bde

ws moving in. Streams of our

arty passed clattered every day down the 

long Rue de Lille.

July 8. I went with Butler

& Casey to see our new line.

We went by motor to Hyde

Park Corner - it was a

wet day - but we also The 

trees let you motor up quite 

close in this part - there 

ws a whole collection of 

motor cars standing under

the dripping forest.

We clambered up in the

rain between the tree trunks

to a green open bit of hill top x

where ws one of our the British survey

posts very neatly dug in to the

[* x on Mt Kemmel *]

 

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hill.
Diagram - see original document
It had a little window w a good

telescope. The Germans possibly

suspected the ^hill as being an O.P. for there were

several recent shell craters in /

grass around it - they may

have bn aimed for a trench

being dug nearby.

We wanted to get from 

there to the front line held by

our men in / valley. No one

knew quite how it cd be done.

The hill was full of our O.Ps & one o /

officers of our arty there told us that 

he thought we cd get down

by going along a trench near

by. It led us by numerous o.ps.

 

Diagram - see original document

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(in the making) down awkward

corners - from wh Messines stood 

up in a very naked way across 

/ valley.

Diagram - see original document
to our subsidiary line. There 

ws nobody in this line. Many bays

in it were so thickly overgrown w

nettles ^etc tt you cd see nothing whatsoever

from the fire step. In passing others

your whole head & shoulders 

were exposed to view. We cdnt find

a single commn running down

towards our front line. At last

the trench ran into a battered bldg

farm near Dead Cow Farm. The 

 

 

 

 

 

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