Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/17/1 - September - October 1915 - Part 4

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First World War, 1914–18
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27 even if by painting it that way I could rouse the blood & make palse beat faster - I undoubted these men here deserve it peopled pulses shall beat for them. But War Correspts have so habitnaly exaperated t heroum of battles t people don't realise t real actions are heroie. If you say The live went forward & not one man came back to that i reall a thay th can very seldom be sd of any but I most magnificent troops - but people say. No of course they dedn't - they were Biitiah soldiers & Buliek soldien As a matter of don't run away fact everyove who has seen a batthe knows a soldiers do very often ran aways I soldiers even Anchalian soldiers, have someti to be threatened to a revolve to
28 make them so on – in individunt cases, I have seen it happen once to an Aush alian n&.O. whom Col. M Cay threalume to shool I know MacNaughton of the 4th Bn on Ap 26, Howell Prie of tn 3od Bn on Ang Same 8 & others have done & it has done what they woented it to do. Itahes The turk have to be treatined t machine guns from behind- I have see it in their divisional orders There is I case of two offinish fighters in I world, (Austialian possibly I very best in world) I turk (certainy one ofbest Then there is nonsense abt wounded soldiers wanting to get back from hospital to font. I have asked nurses I have asked I men, I have heard them discussi it
25 Everyone says - what everyone here knows - that it is not one soldier in fifty a wants to fo back to pont. They dread it. Nob very in any will actuall shoot their finges off to escape from I frond but even this is not uncommon even among Austial ians & it is probably less common to them than most. There are men who want to set back to front great stalwart true Anatialians but there are not in any like them in any arm There is plenly of heroum in war - it teems w it. But it has on so overwritten to of you write to a man did his job people say. Oh, but theres nothing herocc in that isn't there. You come here & see 1 job & understand it & getout your head nowsense to
30 is written about it. There is honor & beastliness & cowardia & treachen over all of which the writen anxious to please 1 public has to thnow his cloak - but I man who does his job is a bers and te actual trak is that though not all Anshalians, by any means, do thenr job there is a boyer proportion ofh men in 1 Anstiale ary totry to do it cheerfull & without the least show of fear than in any force or arm in Gallipoli that I have seen Theman who knows war knows it this is magnificant praise. The public can never know it. The was arrespondent is responible ost of ideas of battle wh 1 public for possesses. For example - 1 public thinks in black + white & nothing between think a rerreat or a rour is a matter of blie semple cowardic whereas if coir there ws a case of mixed motives 1ordmer retreat is one. A hundredmen so
37 forward of whom, in I bear of cases, perhaps twenty per cent wish were not pi forward at all when they start - & 80 per cet before try get there. The remaining to per cent are going to do gob or die-simply because they are. sort of men to whom life is not worth living except on those terms. as I enemys treck is reached, & some of 2opercutare keller, te enemys maching gwad find them n out, or perhaps Cay) no they serely f to not a quarty of their mumber are tere; os it may be they take I trench or ground & hang outs it eveny's tapnel finds them out. A moment comes when I weaker mew are ready to turn at all costs - thre are wounds men running back all I Aime One man starts to run back perhaps 2 or 3 on either side start to Eun with him. The others coming up see then running back
50 and have not I remotest idea why they are renving back. Perhaps (it exters their heads) they are runing away. Perhaps the truch has bu found impossible to take. Perhaps they we be ordered to retire. One man comeng up, or banging on shouts to I man who is gette up to run whats up. Bill Bill may answer. Thes is too blood at for me - or he way and often does answer word passed along to retire He order to retire is sometimes no doubt attributed to an officer who has on killed Captain Smith give the order to retire H goes along (live word passed to retire at once. every weakpiriled man - & tere is always a sprinkling of them. taking it up w especial velemence H needs a lot of guit in a man to say (especially if his oficer has bn killed] Retere be
23 danined: Who says were to retirn Pass along & ask who gave order, and yet strong men do that. They know the order to retire" is sometimes, an invention & the are not going to be cheated outd doing their job by any weak spirited being in 1force. The success of an army like ours cheifl depends on what proportion of here strong independent minded men here winit and in 1 Australin force I proportion is cinquestionably undoubledly high - may amount to 50per cent or move. I have seen them going ap against a rain of fere & weaker ones return very thro' them at same time - the two streams going in opposite directions & not takeng I famlest notice of one another. wel, this is true side of war but I wonder if anyone wa believe me outsede 1 army. Kth Ive never written higher paise of Australians than is on this pap. but I probability is & if I were to put it wte prent tonorrow. I tender
Ate The Captain of Commicall Coh has comn to relieve Bacchants) was there; & it will he & his tathcent- gave us an apo batthe of Balkland 15. wh I relate further on. wed Sept 29. tonight two affaters came bock from G.H.Q with Barrett. I was writing in the Meas Ceat when they told me Bartlet was govy home. Lackybegas, Isel - & pret some meation came up of his return. well, as a matter of fact hes not returning they Idl. He's ptthe sacki Bartlett as in Nevinson's tent when I wentn a told me to stay. A was true. About a month ago be sot Mardock the Austalian Sun Correspt, who ws joing to London, to take home with him a letter to the Prime Minister putter. The state of thes here in a somethat crade light. It was a brillauth written letter - rather overstale I case as Bartlett always does; but a great deal of it us absolutely unanswerable & badly needs b understand It made two assumptions. () that the Savla-Sare Bair plan could note have succeeded & cd have accomplished noth if it had succeeded - which I think is false: it ws very difficult but contained a distinct chance of solid success & as for as Sari Bair is concerned was within an ace of success (at certain steps 34 Anstralian public, which only tolerates flattery & that in its cheapest form, would w howl me out of existence One has some satisfaction in sticking tob truk in spite of 1 prejabice against it – satisfaction of usmantke putting up a sort of fight. But I hevea suspicion to Ive spoild my chances for ever of being some day tolerable well News o a bis move in Drance. Monday Sept 27. Stayed in camp & wrote all day. I wonder how to by French move will affect our fortunes. May fightin Balgaria but probably 1 greeks are scrapping a hem abeady. The sreet is so vein of some supposed prowess to I people wd plange into wer as Bulgaria to a very light heart. Heer general staf docan't possess I same Muisions fortunately French ed to have brokin terman pont on a line of 50 Kelometre ourselves over 5 miles (& fone in 4000 yards); &f Rassians are holding them. Bazley still a drzac Mes. Sept 28. to Angac 6 wipeds boat. See opp paxe
Fighting at Kuthia & Ochi Bata Ap. 23. 6. 7.8. May 6.7.8. May 28 June 4155.6 June 12 tcahalk There were Ichief attacks at Kritia June 25 The French also July 6-12 made some on Haricot on other dates Aug. 6 at Heltes I hear from Col. Christian tt our 15t. Bath (regular Anetialian hoops) has bu maistay & ws kept as counter battery (10 for fortug on enemys juns) for 5 weeks & ws always given by blin any particularly diffecult piece of work Bendes workding theis guns our artallery men had to go into I trenches with their rifles on one occasion behind French - te Senegaleny broke right back one night and oftin went up to snipe by special request. Two men went off porn bryade daring last adack-deserted - to take part in an infantry charge wh they did Con Aay 8 & were bok killed On sume & Hay Ox abother times our artillery men light 12 pds naval guns wh used to be taken up to I trenches by might & dugen usually behind a spur, enfiladen enemy's truch or I ground across wh be wd have to counterattac. The gan wd sometimes be left there for a wke but alway had to be taken away in I end being shelledout b enemy or bec. it endught fire on Penemy. The Howitzer 6at 33 40 Somme Po. L00S. Berry to Bac. Megieres Fo Wotre Dame de Lorette, KIE. Maestricht, snows. Reason - nearest to Maestricht. Mason for 2-k out only his to Ven. secondly that a landin at Bulair I to wd have succeeded ohod still I succeed, wh is possible but is by no 04 means to be taken for grountd. The 1837 R.N.D. people who visiled Bulair 83on Ap.25-7 & only drew one shot from I concealed batteries there say it is very doubtful whether even whole force landed there cd have got across. They saw I place, a gentle even green I stope up pom 1 sea 8x something of S. Dsll this sort, as far as they cd see. $ wh al not possil sd have been faced. Iou t5. wd not fire a shot until troops actually o landed. What I troops did wt to to make a small fient landing betw 2 small islands on 1 opposite side 58 3of gulf - wh we absolutel unopposed & come of again. The whole corp i have lande there but o country between there & Balair 3 ws very difficult. 33 "05 In those two points - certain
36 on I first, I have always thought Bartelt ws quite wrong, + many people who are far better stiatzrsts tan I have I same ginion. However it is a malter of detail. Bartletts letter ws worth considerety of any man, & I ve ao doubt it will be considered in time. Several nembers Of cabit asked him to write to them privately wh ws not avery Coyal thing of them to do, but then potiticians are not tryal. He made one westake- I think - He ought to have taken I letter home himself after he had written all be wanted to about the battles of August. It ws difficult have bu It wa scarcely loyal to his employers togo home & leave I work here, & I don't know if hewd have bu allowed to return. unless he went I don't think I letter ed have br got through - I censors ad not have passed it. Ao be decided tt 1 object ws worth any means.

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even if by painting it that wayI could rouse the blood & make pulse beat faster -& undoubtedly these men here deserve the peoples pulses shall beat for them. But  Cor respts have so habitually exaggerated / heroism of battles th people dont realise th / real actions are heroic. If you say“The line went forward ^ not one man came back" That is really a thing th can very seldom be sd of any but / most magnificent troops - but people say: "No of course they didn't - they wereBritish soldiers & British soldiers dont run away." As a matter of fact everyone who has seen a battle knows th soldiers do very often run away; th soldiers even Australian soldiers, have sometimes to be threatened w a revolver to 

 

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make them go on in individual  cases. I have seen it happen once to an Australian n.c.o. whom Co. McMay threatened to shoot  - - I know MacNaughton of the 4th Bn on Ap 26, &Howell Price of the 3rd Bn on Aug 8 & others have done / same & it has done what they wanted it to do. If the men The Turks have to be threatened w machine guns from behind - I have seen it in their divisional orders.There is I case of two o I finest fighters in I world, I Australian(possibly I very best in I world) &I Turk (certainly one o I best).Then there is I nonsense abt

wounded soldiers wanting to

get back from hospital to front. I have asked I nurses,

I have asked I men, I have 

heard them discussing it - &

                                  

 

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everyone says - what everyone here knows - that it is not one

soldier in fifty th wants to go back to I front. They dread it.

Not very many will actually shoot their fingers off to escape from I front but even this is not uncommon even among Australians& it is probably less common w them than ^w most. There are men who want to get back to I front, great stalwart true Australians-but there are not many like them i n any army.

There is plenty of heroism in war - it teems w it. But  it has bn so over written th if you write th a man did his job people say: Oh, but there's nothing heroic in that!

isn't there. You come here & seeI job & understand it & get out

of your head I nonsense th is written about it

 

 There is horror& beastliness & cowardice * treachery

over all of which the writer anxious to please I public has to throw

his cloak - but I man who does his job is a hero. And the

actual truth is that though not.all Australians, by any means,

do their job there is a bigger proportion of them men in I Australian

Army th try to do it cheerfully xxx & without the least show of

fear than in any force or army that I have seen ^in Gallipoli. The man who

knows war knows th this is magnificent praise. The public

can never know it.The war correspondent is responsible

for most o I ideas of battle wh I public possesses. For example - I public thinks

in black & white & nothing between - I public

thinks a retreat or a rout is a matter of simple cowardice; whereas if ever there

ws a case of mixed motives I ordinary retreat is one. A hundred men go

 

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forward of whom, in I best of 

cases, perhaps twenty per cent wish they were not going forward at

all when they start - & 80 per cent before they get there. The remaining 20

per They cent are going to do I jo or die simply because they ae I

sort of men to whom life is not worth living on these terms.

After As I enemys trench is reached, & some o I 20 per cent are 

killed, the enemys machine guns (say) or a man ^ find them out, or perhaps

they merely find realise th not a quarter of their members are there; or it may be they take I trench or Iground & hang onto it - I 

enemy's shrapnel finds them out.A moment comes when I weaker

men are ready to turn at all costs- they are wounded men running back all I time.The One man starts to run back -perhaps 2 or 3 on either side start to run with him. The others coming up see them running back - and have not the remotest idea why they are running back. perhaps

 

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(it enters their heads) they are running away. Perhaps the trench has bn

found impossible to take. Perhaps they've bn ordered to retire. One

man coming up, or hanging on, shouts to I man who is getting

up to run: What's up, Bill?"Bill may answer: "This is too bloody

'ot for me" - of he may and often does answer "word passed  

along to retire!" The order to retire is sometimes no doubt attributed

to an officer who has bn killed "Captain Smith give the orders

to retire." It goes along I line -"word passed to retire at once"

Every weak spirited man _ & there

is always a sprinkling of them - taking it up w especial vehemence.

It needs a lot of grit in a man to say (especially if his 

officers has bn killed) "Retire be damned

 

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who says we're to retire.Pass along & ask who gave I order."And yet strong men do that. They know the "order to retire" is

sometimes an invention & they are not going to be cheated out of

doing their job by any weak spirited being in I force. The 

success of an army like ours chiefly depends on what proportion 

of these strong independent minded men there is in it. And in I Australian 

force I proportion is unquestionably undoubtedly high - may amount

to 50 per cent or more. I have seen them going up against a rain

of fire & I weaker ones retiringthro' them at I ^very same time - the two

streams going in opposite directions & not taking I faintest notice of one

another.Well, this is I true side of war

-but I wonder if anyone wd believe me outside I army.

that be I've never written higher praise of Australians than is on this page, 

but I probability is th if I were to put it into print tomorrow I tender

 

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Australian public, which only tolerates

flattery & that in its cheapest form, would

will me howl me out of existence.One has some satisfaction in sticking

old them to the truth in spite of I prejudice

against it - I satisfaction of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx putting up a sort of

fight. But I have a suspicion th I've 

spoilt my chances for ever of being some day tolerably well off.

News of a big move in France.Monday Sept 27. Stayed in camp

& wrote all day. I wonder how th big French move will affect our 

fortunes. May frighten Bulgaria -but probably I Greeks are scrapping

w him already. The Greek is so vain of some supposed prowess th

I people wd plunge into war as Bulgaria w a very light heart. Their

General staff doesn't possess I sameillusions, fortunately.

French sd to have broken German front on a line of 50 kilometres,

ourselves over 5 miles (& gone in 4000 yards); & of Russians are 

holding them. Bazley still at AnzacTues. Sept 28. To Anzac by I

torpedo boat. (see opp page)The Captain o I Cormerall (wh has come to

relieve Bacchants) was there: & it will he & his had Lieut. gave us an a/c o I

battle of Falkland Is. wh I relate further on.

Wed Sept 29. Tonight tow officers comeback from G.H.Q with Bartlett. I was writing in the Mess tent when they told me Bartlettwas going home. "Lucky beggar." I sd - & presently some mention came up of his return."Well, as a matter of fact he's not returning,"they sd. "he's go the sack!"Bartlett ws in Nevinson's tent

when I went in & told me to stay. Itwas true. About a month ago he got Murdoch the Australian "Sun" Correspt, who ws going to London, to take home with

him a letter to the Prime Minister putting the state of things here in a

somewhat crude light. It was a brilliantly written letter - rather overstating

I case as Bartlett always does, buta great deal of it ws absolutely

unanswerable & badly needs understanding.

It made two assumptions (i) that the Suvla-Sari Basin plan could never have

succeeded & cd have accomplished nothing

if it had succeeded - which I think is false: It ws very difficult but contained

a distinct chance of solid success &

as far as Sary Bair is concerned was ^ at certain stops within an ace of success;

 

 

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secondly that a landing at Bulair

wd have succeeded - & wd still succeed, whi is possible but it by

no means to be taken for granted. The 

R.N.D. people who visited Bulair on Apr 25-7 & only drew one shot

from I concealed batteries there say is

very doubtful whether even I whole force landed there cd have got 

across. They saw I place, a gentle

even green slope up from I sea

                  - something of

Sketch      this sort, as far

                   as they cd see-

                   wh cd not possibly

have been faced. The Ts. wdnot fire

a shot until I troops actually landed. What I troops did ws to

make a small feint landing bet w 2 small islands on I opposite side

o I gulf - wh ws absolutely unopposed-& come off again. The whole

corps cg have landed there but I country between there & Balair ws very difficult.

On those two points - certainlyFighting at Kuithia & Achi Baba

Ap 25. 6. 7. 8.May 6. 7. 8.    May 28

June 4th 5. 6 June 12 Turk attack

June 25 , July 6-12

Aug 6.

There were I chief attacks at Kuithia. The French

also made some on I"Haricot" on other datesI hear from Col. Christian ^at Helles th our 1st Batty(regular Australian troops) has bn his mainstay & ws kept as counter battery (i.e. for firing on I enemy's guns) for 5 weeks& ws always given by him any particularly difficult piece of work. Besides working

these guns our artillery had to go into I trenches with their rifles on one

occasion behind I French - the Senegalese broke right back one night - and often

went up to snipe by special request.

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