Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/41/1 - March - April 1916 - Part 1

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First World War, 1914–18
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AWM3S Official History, 1974-18 War: Records of C E W Bean, Official Historian. Diaries and Notebooks Hem number: 3DR160614117 Title: Diary, March - April 1916 includes references to diary of Sir Carl Jess, Gallipoli and Lt Leonard Womersley's Suvla Bay Story. AWMISS-SDRLGOGIATH
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B. 4 March 23rd 1916 cond. Httte Lege had nothing to say when wte this was pointe out - but he am at the Army Corps - Hoave bardly an anchalion on (Arm Corps? he said. When did Australia underlake, to provide an army Corps staf? 3d White - The underlook to provide a divisional staff but the arrangement was t I was office shd provide (Army Corps staff & weve had notheng to do wt
Ex To Miss Evaleen Young. Should you pursue the ancient path by every poet sung Though you'1l be always Evaleen, someday you' 11 not be Young. But, MiSs, for you the future holds a different fate, I ween, That you’11 be always ever young but never Evalcen. 45 1
2 from & beginning b end. The little man has been knot enough to take me onto his staff to is what happened. But to as aparely voluntary action on his part & Legye knew to tis also was a fact, & har notnswer to make. Te other awkward ation is as to admines trate. The Austialian Emperial Force began as a little fice - Bridges & white made it - not 1 Defence Deptbut its own staff
work to do on top of training of troops but.I staff did it & everybod. says they did it well. 64 that is to say - the staf not only did work of a divisional staff but of a whole army organissty as well - laid down principles of promotion: when a man cd be temporarily promoted in place of a casualty - When acasualt had to go off I strength of his wnit what wa to be done w reinforcement oficers & nCo. (a most deffecult question) & To on. That 1s to say 1 staf of A1.F ditI work of a war office. Hws very have, When 1 force left Egyst for Gallipoli general Piizzes still administered it to this extent - to be lef
Tellhai behind as a sort of deligate, to settle minor matters; but he settled I biger matters of policy as to promotion tetc. The control ws recessaril abmost now existeent & Sellhein I believe considered himself absolutely free. But serws I am not clear as to when the authority of headd A 1.F in gallepsti wo really established Legge had it for a time; but this ws most inconvenient as be ws junior to Codlen yet controted +
walker Walker ws most unselfish. In I landing for example be knew to Skelaws man to e plan it & be I man to lead troops in fightin & so be completely efaad himself yen. Skeek did whole of work of Chief of staff - made hole plan & Wallser compli effaced himseff. Birdword knew Riss & at I landing gave him I first chance of leading troops up amongst 1 bullet where hews rerteels Lappy. promotions of parbo Godley’s force. When Leggr eent back to form 1 Secon dion & walker as put back tot F Dwn (be wrote a letter by 1671 asking Birdwood not to let him stand in 1 way of hegge - tt Legge as an Austialian officer ought to have I command o1 1st Din - & wanted to go on protestinn - just as be protisted in London it he cdn't expect to take back 1p aust. Drn from Chanvel - but he doped bed be given another & he is backnow in 115t Bron when aler backto
8 egypt it wo clear Soncove wd have to be 1head of Ad.E. on 1 spot & Birdwoodws, I favey for to reason Chasm. With white & Griffeths on his staf he had I confidence o Austialion people - in a way, no one else had & from them ore he has bu head at A.I.F& chief military adviser DL Defence ministeri matters of policy connicted t it. that is to say, for Australia, he has done, work of Robertson & of Haig, both; & white
9 work of cheef of staf in France & at twar office. Now the A.I.F. has grown into an army & it has become a very by job indeed. And I quisten 15 – when we go to g where we are going - what can be done. Well, white, thinking I ought to have tere facts in my head if I ws to understand 1 policy of A.L.E, pub et to me as follows. The A.1.t. is now rell an army - & not a Teries of separate corps or divesions. It has to be

AWM38
Official History,
1914-18 War: Records of C E W Bean,
Official Historian.
Diaries and Notebooks
item number: 3DR1606/41/1
Title: Diary, March - April 1916
includes references to diary of Sir Carl Jess,
Gallipoli and Lt Leonard Womersley's Suvla Bay
story.
AWM38-3DRL606/41/1

 

 


 Original DIARY NO.41
AWM38 3DRL 606 ITEM 41 [1]
DIARIES AND NOTES OF C. E. W. BEAN
CONCERNING THE WAR OF 1914 - 1918
The use of these diaries and notes is subject to conditions laid down in the terms
of gift to the Australian War Memorial. But apart from those terms, I wish the 
following circumstances and consideration to be brought to the notice of every
reader and writer who may use them.
These writings represent only what at the moment of making them I believed to be
true. The diaries were jotted down almost daily with the object of recording what
was then in the writer's mind. Often he wrote them when very tired and half asleep;
also not infrequently, what he believed to be true was not so - but it does not
follow that he always discovered this, or remembered to correct the mistake when
discovered. Indeed he could not always remember that he had written them.
These records should, therefore, be used with great caution, as relating only what
their author, at the time of writing believed. Further, he cannot, of course, vouch
for the accuracy of statements made to him by others and here recorded. But he
did try to ensure such accuracy by consulting, as far as possible, those who had
seen or otherwise taken part in the events. The constant falsity of second-hand
evidence (on which a large proportion of wat stories are founded) was impressed
upon him by the second or third day of the Gallipoli campaign, notwithstanding that
those who passed on such stories usually themselves believed them to be true. All
second-hand evidence herein should be read with this in mind. 
16 Sept., 1946. C. E. W. BEAN
AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL 
ACCESS STATUS 
OPEN

 

B. 4           1
March 23rd 1916 cont.
XXthe Legge had nothing
to say when XXX this
was pointed out - but
he came at the Army
Corps - "You've hardly an
Australian on / Army
Corps -" he said.
"When did Australia
undertake, to provide an
Army Corps staff?" sd
White - "She undertook
to provide a divisional
staff but the arrangement
was tt / war office shd
provide / Army Corps
staff & we've had
nothing to do w it

 

6/41
 

To Miss Evaleen Young.
Should you pursue the ancient path by every poet sung
Though you'1l be always Evaleen, someday you'11 not be Young.
But, Miss, for you the future holds a different fate, I ween,
That you’11 be always ever young but never Evaleen.
C.E.W.B.

 

2
from / beginning & end. The
little man has been kind
enough to take me onto
his staff - tt  is what
happened. But tt ws
a purely voluntary
action on his part "_
& Legge knew tt this
also was a fact, & had
no answer to make.
The other awkward
question is as to /
administratn
The Australian Imperial
Force began as a little
force. Bridges & White
made it - not /  Defence
Dept but its own staff.
 

 


 4
That is to say - the
XXX staff not only did /
work of a divisional staff
but of a whole army organisatn
as well - laid down / principles
of promotion:,- when a man
cd be temporarily promoted
in place of a casualty - when
so on a casualty had to
go off / strength of his unit - 
what ws to be done ws
reinforcement officers & ncos.
(a most difficult question)
& so on. That is to say
/ staff o / A.I.F did  / work of
a war office. It was very hard  * work to do on top of

training troops but / staff did it & everybody

says they did it well. * 
when / force left Egypt
for Gallipoli General Bridges
still administered it to
this extent - tt he left
 

 
 

5
Sellheim behind as a
sort of delegate, to settle
minor matters; but he
settled / bigger matters
of policy as to promotion
etc. The control ws
necessarily almost
now existent & Sellheim
I believe considered
himself absolutely free.
But he ws I am not
clear as to when the
authority o / head o /
A.I.F in Gallipoli
ws really established
Legge had it for a time;
but this ws most
inconvenient as he
ws junior to Godley
& yet controlled /

 

6
Walker.
Walker ws most unselfish.
In / landing for example he
knew tt Skeen ws / man to
plan it & be ^himself / man to lead
troops in fighting & so be
completely effaced himself
gen. Skeen did 1 whole o /
work of Chief of staff - made
/ whole plan, & Walker completely
effaced himself. Birdwood knew
this; & at / landing gave him / first chance
of leading troops up amongst / bullet where he ws
perfectly happy.
7

promotions of part of
Godley’s force. When Legge
went back to form / second
divn & walker ws put
back to / 1st Divn (he
wrote a letter by / bye
asking Birdwood not to
let him stand in / way
of Legge - tt Legge as an
Australian officer ought
to have / command o /
1st Divn - & wanted to go
on protesting - just as
be protested in London
tt he cdn't expect to take
back / 1st Aust. Divn from
Chauvel - but he hoped he’d
be given another].
& he is back now in / 1st Divn
- when walker came Legge went back to
 

 

8
 Egypt it ws clear
someone wd have to be
/ head o / A.I.F. on /
spot & Birdwood ws, /
fancy for tt reason,
chosen. With White &
Griffiths on his staff he
had / confidence o /
Australian people - in a
way, no one else had;
& from them on he has
bn head o / A.I.F. &
chief military adviser
to / Defence Minister in
matters of policy connected
w it.
That is to say, for Australia,
he has done / work of Robertson
& of Haig, both; & White /
 

 

9
work o / chief of staff
in France & at / war office.
Now the A.I.F. has
grown into an army &
it has become a very big
job indeed. And  / question
is – when we go to - where
we are going - what can
be done.
Well, White, thinking /
ought to have these facts
in my head if  / ws to
understand / policy o /
A.I.F, put it to me as
follows,
The A.1.F. is now really
an army - &  not a
series of separate corps
or divisions. It has to be 

 

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