Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/40/1 - February - March 1916 - Part 5

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First World War, 1914–18
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0 39 after it - & it as true news, + 6t &5th Dions to o as soon after them as possible, I believe. The secont has gone; the first is on its way; & caily there pass th ough Smailia cohma after colemn of infantry for I desert; dail others columns pass in . The N. Zealander went out last wh & they came back wot (the front crenches I believe, are now buried in sawd & only railhead are held). Today the 8th Bde the yellow brigade whose colours I had never seen before) passed this hospital. They seemed to me byg men & they mostly were I British belinet - but they warched worse than any
40 Anstialian or V.3 troops have ever seen - on I wron side of road - on 6oth sides & from side to side of it, without step or bearing. It had pobably been a long march, but it didn't seem to me like our first three divisons (1st end &NG there The work of creating a second corps has been done with extraorcinary rapedity - & it has had to be done manuly by White & Bordws especial to thite. He has had an extratordinarely comprehensing job - the creation of half the officers of an army was only the most obvious part of it. They foune the nucles of the brs by splitting the 1t and Fo 4t 141 N.3. Bdes into two & letting the man whom they appointe for O. choose wh half he wd have. That put the two halves upon an equality at once. All the new COs were not food men; but most of them are Smong all these promotion there is none happies to an Ag Gellebrand to the 6th Bde. He had done wonders w1 Bl Bn Gally as too unconventional for British army. White, who wa at I sat college a him, has told me to Jelly ws not known a bit to men there. He didn't ride; he didn't short; he didn't play games. But While got to know him & anyoin who knew him at all saw abouce
42 to be ws brew full of brains well - I dont think he of on over well in his bor -one of the manchesters 3o when it ws dispanded & he us told be cd take ap his rank in another bu but must lose his searorty be threw it up & started apple growing in his native Tasmania. He had two years or so of it & made no great success up to date - FI war broke out. White who happened to know where he was, & to he as acting as adjutant or secretary to I commandant in Tasmani os something, asked Bridges if be cd were to him, as he wanted. a D. A. G.M.S. 43 Birdges agreed. By I boat followan Iwire Selly arrive He walker wnto White's room apparently Exactl as he had left his occhard - baggy old towser soft white collar - or rather coller wh had once been white; & a gleam in his oth eye . White must have thought Goodness - have I made a wistake? What will Bridges think of my judgment but there as nothing for it but to take od felly in to 1 genl. Bridges tookes up – tooker first at fell & ten very hand at While - & while left gelle w him. Iem menates later, when felly came out, Bridgss white went in to Genl. Brdges
44 tooked up at him again. What regiment did you say he belonged to. be granted. White told him. Bridges sidUmpto! & that was all - but it ws not long before be knew to there was a very mat deal in Gelly Well, Tellibian ws kept back a good deal a 1 early days in gallipoti first by a row with Bridges over I don't know what Affiers of Mess of which Gells was president. CEwz. 18.5.25 & secondy by the fact is Gelly bold Bwhen spoken to some C ice att mes) that he 8 en 4 6 st an lax com R ee has 8 45 brains too). When the Frnd Aust. Den ws formed Jelle Ws under Blainey, who becaue Colonel. But there Le Sot t know him. And when the command of 12 n6 vacant & old Jell goe think Legge must him. To gell is he scarcely dared to to be colonel of a Its I end of n ambitions, in or he sd to me - we ever hope to fo me know en ecklessness 6 a y re ane to under Co r t
46 bkilled) & knowe t doctine ws t a colonel wo happens to comman a bo during a really by battle must be killes be told Cl. Brand S I was hoping agst hope to he ad get a brigade. and then, when the Stt Bde became vacant the appointeent lay chief with Oth Legge, who would took on gelly as a British officer rather than 1 Aushrahe be really was & Legge 15 very much incliner to cry out Austialia for Austialians on very small provocation – & felly's chanas 47 wight ut seem too good. But Lege, who usually, when skedto recommend an officer for a past, forwards a stron of a dozen names require only one on this cc: two names, I think it ws, were put before him & he ws Dr free to ch any others he cared to. But he chose gelly - & his letter picking him for 1 job came in Legges own Landwriting, which was rather an indication that hege dirst want any one else to see his choice or to it us he who made I. I think this may be anfues to Telley-15 I right man. Lesse. Caeb. l The other day be ws caller at D
48 on to panish a man of his bn who had ovn stayed his leave. The man came up at orderly room. Well - have you had a good time ?" sd Yes, Sir. Sd1 -- Selly astonisher man. Enjoyes "stayed out four days didn't you. asked gelt. Yes Sir! Did you enjoy them? Yes Sir. well, I suppose you dont object to paying for it says gelly No Sir said the man. you l have to pla a good bit you know d gell yes Sir sd Pman you don't rind that vo Sir 49 2 and felle made him pay 15 days screw on whatever it was -& the man wa quite content wo a Colonel like tat. The old chap has done wonders wI 12th Bn wh had become very slalk. nowhes a brigades ove may hope to bel survive war, because he is a most boyal valuable servants his county There is some tal going around as to white filling up the A.L.F with British Officers That talk ws bound to arise with everyone t his Eye on some post t he wants for himself in all this general post. But it i nota fair
51 Criticism. Legge came in to white 1other day & made it. While saw Now general, you say were patty in too man Brotish officers. In 1 first place what you wastet forget is to we are not a selfcontained firce & we cautac as of we were we have to go to them for ordnance stores, +we have to ask them for general staf officers for some of our dions - & if t15 so we can't have all take & no give. If they sayWe cant When wego. & ask him for a staff officer: We cant give 51 Seneor you a stef officer but wer a going chap here who would make a 15t Class battalion commander - we cant a lays rfose. They are doing a great deat for us & we have to go on asking them to do it we cant forget that and thn lets take the commands & see howmany of these British officers we have brought in. There are 60 bn commanders. Well- of those one is a british officer I'm not counting Roes who as an officer leat by England to Australia long before I was at our request Then take stip officers. In
52 our old dion - the 1st Aust. Dion - we have one British oficer, G.S.O.II. In the mr Aust. Din you were free to have any one you wished & you yourself have, two arfillery TenbagI So the first Austranian weon we had one British officer, Anderson, who ws lently Aushalia before 1 war.& we had an inqineer who ws bent before I war; you were free to chose an Australion for your Engineers but you chose an English officer & you have For 4 other English engineer officers with you you had a brigades vacant 1other day & you chose Gellebram to command it. 53 a Brilish officer- That quite silenced hegge. A fww days taker beg himself had a staff appointment - (G.S.O.2 Ithink) wh needed filling He came in & sd.: I want you to give me either Foster or (namery anothers Australian) sostep Both those mere had been grgenat one or two days before, as ccenbody hi, t other appointing Im sorry - You cant have Either of those two sd white. "Its a pit"sd Legge - I shd much hade preferred an Australian Oficer- Cleale there ws something coming. Is there any one else you wd especially care for. asked white well of I cant get either Disler or I shd like to get an
455 54 English officer) As white says. If Birdwood is otirly accused of favourin British officers it 1 most unfair. If I little man has a fault it is to be 15 always prepared to try an inferior Hustalian officer rather than a British officer who he knows wd be move compelent. As far as I am concernes, it doesat matter one way or other whether Im blaund or not; but I can honestly say to I've tried to hold he balance as fairly as it is withint power of man to do. And Im sure he has. An questionably he is right. 57 93.7 t M s d an y Aunt alianDeviacon gels, into a disactor thro uaiy inferior talent or in experiende it doent walles an 10ta that the in experiency or lalent wc Ausls alian what I me foundt in action ts competin, Pregerab Anshalian competence; but anythe rathe The reorganisaty no brought in another most diffecult question. The A.1. & has to be adminen on this side of water & who is to do it (manian of Campbell

 

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after it - & it ws true news; & /
4th & 5th Divns to go as soon after 
them as possible, I believe. The 
second has gone; the first is on its 
way; & daily there pass through 
Ismailia column after column of 
infantry for / desert; daily other 
columns pass in. The N. Zealanders 
went out last wk & they came 
back xxx yesty (the front trenches, 
I believe, are now buried in 
sand & only / railheads are held).
Today the 8th Bde - (the yellow 
brigade  [Sketch- see original scan] whose colours I
had never seen before) passed 
this hospital. They seemed to 
me big men - & they mostly 
wore / British helmet - but 
they marched worse than any

 

 

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Australian or N.Z. troops I
have ever seen - on / wrong 

side o / road both sides &
from side to side of it, 

without step or bearing. It had probably
been a long march, but it 

didn't seem to me like our
first three divisions (1st 2nd & N.Z ).
There The work of creating 

a second corps has been
done with extraordinary 

rapidity - & it has had to be
done mainly by White & Birdwood 

- especially White. He has had
an extraordinarily comprehensive 

job - the creation of half the
officers of an army was only the 

most obvious part of it. They
formed the nuclei of the bns ’

by splitting the 1st. 2nd 3rd 4th &
 

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N.Z. Bdes into two & letting the 

man whom they appointed for 

C.O.  choose wh half he wd 

have. That put the two halves 

upon an equality at once.

All the new C.O.s were not good men,

but most of them are.

Among all these promotions 

there is none happier than that of

Gellibrand to the 6th Bde. He 

had done wonders w / 12th Bn. 
Belly  ws too unconventional for

/ British Army. White, who ws at

/ staff college w him, has told me
 tt Gelly ws not known a bit to /

men there. He didn't ride; he didn't
shoot; he didn't play games. But 

White got to know him & anyone
who knew him at all saw at once
 

 

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tt he ws brim full of brains 
Well - I dont think he
got on over well in his bn 
- one of the Manchesters; &
when it ws disbanded & he 
ws told he cd become take up
his rank in another bn but 
must lose his seniority he
threw it up & started apple 
growing in his native Tasmania.
He had two years or so of it 
& made no great success up
to date - & / war broke out.
White who happened to know
where he was, & tt he ws 
acting as adjutant or secretary
to / Commandant in Tasmania 
or something, asked Bridges
if be cd wire to him, as he 
wanted. a D.A.Q.M.G.
 

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Bridges agreed. By / boat
following / wire Gelly arrived.He walked into White's room
apparently exactly as he had left his orchard - baggy old trousers,
soft white collar - or rather collar wh had once been
white; & a gleam in his old eye. White must have thought
"Goodness - have I made a mistake? What will Bridges
 think of my judgment" - but there ws nothing for it but to
take old Gelly in to /Genl. Bridges looked up – looked
first at Gelly & then very hard at White - & White left Gelly w
him. Ten minutes later, when Gelly came out, Bridges White
went in to / Genl. Bridges
 

 

 

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Looked up at him again."What regiment did you
say he belonged to?"  he grunted. White told him.
Bridges said: "Umph!" & that was all - but itws not long before heknew tt there was a verygreat deal in Gelly.Well, Gellibrand ws kept back a good deal in / early days in Gallipoli first by a row with Bridges over I don't know what;[*[Affairs of Mess of which Gelly was president. C.E.W.B. 18.5.25]
Gelly toldB.(whenspoken to abt mes)that he hadn't come to Gpoli Gallipoli as a mess President - or something of the sort]*]& secondly by the fact tt
some officers o  / Australian staff,  like Blamey, were senior to him (Blamey has
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brains too). When the 2ndAust. Divn ws formed Gelly

ws  under Blamey, who becameColonel. But there Legge got
to know him. And when the command o / 12 Bn became
vacant & old Gelly got it Ithink Legge must have missed
him. To Gelly it ws a hopehe scarcely dared to entertain
- to be Colonel  of a battalion."Its  / end of most soldiers
ambitions, in ordinary times"he sd to me - "we none of us
ever hope to go much further."I, knowing his utter
recklessness for his own safety(he ws hit in / second week
by refusing to eat his lunch- under cover, & ws nearly in tt beastly [[?ofr]]
original 1st Divl H.Q. where I saw White hit too, -
 

 

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- & ws nearly killed) & knowing tt his doctrine ws tt a Colonel who happens to command a bn during a really big battle must be killed(he told Col. Brand so) -I was hoping agst hope tt he wd get a brigade.And then, when the 6th Bde became vacant,the appointment lay chiefly with Gen. Legge, who would look on Gelly as a BritishOfficer rather than /Australianhe really was & Legge is very much inclined tocry out Australia for Australians on very small provocation – & Gelly's chances
 

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might'nt seem too good. But
Legge, who usually, when asked to appoin recommend
an officer for a post, forwardsa string of a dozen names
only forwarded required one on this occxxxion: Three or twoTwo names, I think it ws,were put before him & he wsfree to choose add any others he cared to. But he choseGelly - & his letter picking him for /job came in Legges own handwriting, which was rather an indicationthat Legge didnt want anyone else to see his choice or tt it ws he who made it. XGelly is / right man.The other day he ws called[* X I think this may be unfair toLegge. C.E.W.B.He may not have wantedBlamey to see the letter.*]
 

 

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on to punish a man of his Bn who had over stayed his leave. The man came up at orderly room. " Well - have you had a good time ?" sd Gelly. "Yes, Sir." Sd  /astonished man.Enjoyed "Stayed out four days didn't you?"asked Gelly. "Yes Sir.""Did you enjoy them? Yes, Sir.""Well, I suppose you dont object to paying for it"says Gelly."No Sir" said the man."You'll have to pay a good bit you know. sd Gelly.
"Yes Sir," sd / man,"You don't mind that""No Sir" -

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 and Gelly made him pay 15 days screw on whatever it was -& the man ws quite content w a Colonellike that. The old chap has done wonders w /12th Bn wh had become very slack.Now he's a Brigadier one may hope t he'll survive / war, because he is a most loyal valuable servant o his country.There is some talk going around as to White filling up the A.I.F with British Officers.That talk ws bound to arise with everyone w his eye onsome post t he wants for himself in all this general post. But it is not a fair
 

 

 

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criticism. Legge came into White / other day &
made it. White said Now General, you say
were putting in too manyBritish officers. In / first
place what you mustnt forget is t we are not a
self contained force & we cant act as if we were.We have to go to them for
ordnance stores, &  we have to ask them for General
staff officers for some of ourdivns - & if tt is so we
can't have all take & nogive. If they say "we cant
when we go & ask them for a staff officer: We cant give
 

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you a ^senior staff officer but we'vea young chap here who would
make a 1st Class battalion commander - we cant
always refuse. They are doing a great deal for us & we have
to go on asking them to do it -
we cant forget that."And then xxxx lets take
the commands & see how many
of these British officers we have
brought in. There are 60Bn  commanders.  Well - of
those one is a British officer (I'm not counting Ross who
ws an officer lent by England to Australia long before / war
at our request)."Then take staff officers. In
 

 

 

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our old divn - the 1st Aust.Divn -  we have one Britishofficer, G.S.O.II. In the 2ndAust. Divn you were free tohave any one you wished& you yourself have two.Then as to the Artillery -So the first Australian Divn we had one British officer,Anderson, who ws lent byAustralia before /war; & we had an Engineer who
ws lent before /war; you
were free to chose an Australian
for your Engineers but you chose an English officer &
you have 3 or 4 other EnglishEngineer officers with you.
You had a brigade vacant other day & you chose
Gellibrand to command it -
 

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a British Officer -"
That quite silenced Legge.A few days later Legge himself had
a staff appointment -( S.S.O.2I think) wh needed filling.
He came in & sd.: "I want you to give me either Foster or. . . . .  (naming another Australian)"Both those men had been together posted
one or two days before, asxxxxxx everybody knew, to other appointments
"I'm sorry - You cant have either of those two" sd White.
"Its a pity" sd Legge - "Ishd much have preferred an
Australian Officer" -Clearly there ws something
coming. "Is there any one else youwd especially care for?" asked White
"Well if I cant get either Fosteror —— I shd like to get ——" an
 

 

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English officer.)As White says: If Birdwood ismost unfairly accused of favouringBritish officers it is most unfair.If / little man has a fault it istt he is always prepared to try aninferior Australian officer rather than a British officer who he knows wd be more competent. As far as Iam concerned, it doesnt matter one way or / other whether I'm blamed or not; but I can honestlysay tt I've tried to hold the balance as fairly xxxx as it is within /power of man to do." And I'm sure he has. Unquestionably he is right.[[Bgs?]] ought to be initialised before sent.Write Cassells & Smart.Acq.R.NZ. Sent to - N.Z. Paymaster
 
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If ^ an Australian Division gets into
a disaster thro using inferiortalent or inexperience it doesn't matter an iota that theinexperience or / talent wasAustralian. What /  [[?]]in action is competence, PreferablyAustralian competence; but anything rather than the incompetence; but anything[[?]]
The reorganisatoin has brought in another most difficult question. The A.I.F. has to be administered on this side o /water -& who is to do it?(Murray  & Campbell).[*Australia didnt undertaketo provide Army CorpsStaff.*]
 

 

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