Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/279/1 - 1938-1939 - Part 1

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MST.NoIRat.. ..on DIARIES AND NOTES OF C H. W. BBAN VCERNING THE WAR OF 1914-1918 [HE use of these diaries and notes is subject to condiions laid down in the terms of gift to the Australan Wer Memorial. But, apart from those terms, I wish the following circumstances and considerauons to be brought to the nouce of every reader and wriler who may use them. These wrihngs represent only what at the moment of making them 1 believed to be true. The diaries were jotied down almost daly wih the object of recording what was then im the writers mind. Often he wrole them when very Hred and half asleep; also, not infrequendy, what he beleved to be tue was no' so – but à does not follow that he always discovered this, or remembered to correct the mustakes when discovered. Indeed, he could not always remember that he had written them. These records shoull therefore, be used wich great caudon, as relatag only what their author, a the Eme of wriüng, beheved. Further, he cannot, of course, vouch for the accuracy of statements made io him by others and here recorded. But be did by to ensure such accuracy by consuling, as far as possible, those who had seen or otherwise taken pant in the events. The conslant falsity of second-hand evidence (on which a large proporhon of wae stories are (ounded) was impressed upon him by the second or third day of che Calipol campeign, notwihstanding that those who passed on such stories usualy themsdtes beliered them o bte second hand evidence herein should be read wih tis in gusd es STAIUS 51 GJE W. BEAN. oylbotde DPE vresreeeeveeeee
Fihe Grk 4 IN REPLY OUO No. 507/201/1709 B s Je COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA. rirevjon: NAVY OFFICE CENTRAL 7185. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE. 5874 TELEGRAPHIC ADDRESS: "NAVY, MELBOURNE" MELBOURNE, Sc. . 24.MMAR1936 Dear Dr. Bean, Following on my letter of 20th January, 1939, I have pleasure in sending you some statements of the achievements of Royal Australian Naval College Cadets in their examinations in England etc. Yours sincerely, A Encl: (G.L. MACANDIE). Dr. C.E.W. Bean, M.A., D.C.L., Victoria Barracks, N.S.W. PADDINGTON,
5071201/1709 Sub-Lieutenants, R.A.N., who obtained ist Class Certificates in all subjects of examinations for Lieutenant. Name. Date of entry College Year. into College. H.B. Farncomb -1913 A.H. Spurgeon 1944. II. N.P. Morgan 1915 III C.G. Little D.H. Harries 1917 W.H. Martin C.H. Brooks 1920 R.J. Hodge. VIII A.W.R. McNicoll 1922 J.S. Mesley 1924 XII 1928 R.I. Peek XVI
507/201/1709 Sub-Lieutenants,R.A.N.,specially successful in any subject of examinations for Lieutenant. Date of entry Subject Name Place obtained College Year. into College. in group. ist - Gunnery W.L. Reilly 1913 J.A. Collins 2nd 3rd J.C.D. Esdaile ist - 46 F.E. Getting Torpedo 2nd - 46 J.A. Collins 2nd - 111 Greenwich J. Donovan 1916 IV ist - 30 Navigation H.J. Buchanan J. Donovan ist - 29 Torpedo 2nd - 29 E.F.V. Dechaineux 2nd - 28 H.J. Buchanan ist - 18 D.H. Harries 1917 Navigation 3rd - 19 C.R. Brooks 3rd - 17 W.H. Martin 2nd - 34 Gunnery C.H. Brooks ist - 20 Torpedo D.H. Harries ist - W.H. Martin 2nd - 18 T.A. Godsell 3rd - 18 C.H. Brooks ist - 19 H.M. Burrell 1918 Navigation VI 3rd- 31 Gunnery 1919 D.M. Hole VII 3rd - 19 Torpedo ist - 78 Greenwich R.J. Hodge 1920 VIII 3rd - 18 Torpedo 3rd - 22 1921 Navigation R.W. Rankin IX Jrd - 47 Greenwich O.H. Becher 1922 2nd -19 Navigation J.L. Bath 2nd best for- War Course L. Gellatly year. Essay 3rd A.W.R.McNicoll 5th A.E. Carr 1924 XII Greenwich J.S. Mesley 3rd - 49 Navigation 2nd - 15 ist - 13 Gunnery Torpedo 3rd - 15 XIII 1925 Navigation D.T. Gale Jrd - 19
College Year XIV XV XVI XVII XVIII Date of entry into College. 1926 1927 1928 1929 4930 2- Subject Greenwich Gunnery War Course Essay Navigation Gunnery Torpedo Navigation Gunnery Torpedo Gunnery Torpedo Greenwich (Part I Science) Gunnery Signals Name E.E. Mayo " G.F.E. Knox V.A. Smith G.F.E. Knox R.I. Peek " W.G. Wheeler I.H. McDonald G.L. Fowler R.J. Robertson R.J. Robertson G.L. Fowle G.L. Fowle Place obtained in group. ist - 53 3rd - 16 Rest for year 3rd - 23 3rd - 13 ist - 14 2nd - 19 ist - 17 ist - 17 3rd - 15 3rd - 13 2nd - 40 3rd - 40 ist - 13 3rd - 13 And - 13
507/201/1709 R.A.N. Officers awarded special prizes for subjects in examinations for Lieutenant and for Specialist examinations. Year of award. Why awarded. Prize. Officer £10 - Equivalent ist place in 1921 Lt. C. Farquhar-Smith examinations for to award of Torpedo Lieutenant Ogilvy Medal. ist place in £13 - Equivalent 1924 Lt. J.A. Collins examinations for to award of Commander Gunnery Lieutenant. Egerton Prize. 1926 Lt. N.P. Morgan ist place in examinations for Torpedo Lieutenant £10 - Equivalent to award of Ogilvy Medal ist place in final 1927 Lt. I.C.R. Macdonald Jackson-Everett examinations, Prize. Greenwich, in the qualifying course for Signal Officers 1928 Lt. E.F.V. Dechaineux ist place in £10 - Equivalent examinations for to award of Torpedo Lieutenant Ogilvy Medal. 1929 ist place in Lt. H.J. Buchanan s2o. examinations on completion of advanced Gunnery Course. 1936 Sub-Lt. (E) R.T. Obtained over 70% so Farnsworth. of marks in examin¬ ation for all groups of subjects for Lieutenant (E) Sub-Lt. R.J. Robertson 1937 ist place in Gunnery£20 - Equivalent Course in examin¬ to award of ation for LieutenantGoodenough Medal.
So7/2o1/1709. GOLD MEDAL AWARDED BY H.M. THE KING TO THE CADET MIDSHIPMAN WHO, DURINS HIS PERIOD OF TRAINING AT THE ROYAL AUSTRALIAN NAVAL COLLEGE, EXHIBITED THE MOST GENTLEMANLIKE BEARING AND GOOD INFLUENCE AMONG THE CADET MIDSHIPMEN. Ophisos IRAR. AwiRUED 10. W. L. Reilly II H.M. L. Waller III R. R. Dowling R. P. Middleton C. H. Brooks W.E. J. Kames VII J. C. Morrow VIII N. A. Mackinnon IX K. G. Whitford P.E. Carr II A.S. Storey XII C. J. Stephenson XIII W. S. Bracegirdle XIV J. K. Menary XV P. S. F. Hancox XVI S. St. V. Welch XVII I. H. MeDonald XVIII T.M. Synnot XIX (No College entry) G. J. B. Crabb X D. C. Wells xI W. G. Wright III G. V. Gladstone
HN füle brb QUOTE No. s Se COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA. ro: NAVY OFFICE, CENTRAL 7185. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE, TELEGRAPHIC ADDRESS: 1216 NAVY, MELBOURNE" MELBOURNE. sca 20th January, 1939. Dear Dr. Bean, With reference to your letter of 28th December, 1938, I have had the matter enquired into and am advised that as regards Year I of the Royal Australian Naval College lads the record of their achievements at the Naval Schools in England was as follows :- 2 Gunnery ist W.L. Reilly John A. Collins 2nd - Class of 75. 3rd J.C.D. Esdaile Tede ist F.E. Getting - Class of 46. John A. Collins 2nd I am sorry that I have been unable to obtain any further information on this point but if I can ascertain anything further I will let you know. Yours sincerely, d Dr. C.E.W. Bean, M.A.,D.C.L., Victoria Barracks, PADDINGTON N.S.W. e 8s
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AWM38
Official History,
1914-18 War: Records of C E W Bean,
Official Historian.
Diaries and Notebooks
Item number: 3DRL606/279/1
Title: Folder, 1938-1939
Covers various naval subjects and includes
correspondence between Bean and Count von
Luckner and statistics regarding Australian
Naval College cadets.
AWM38-3DRL606/279/1

 

HIST. NOTES - NAVAL. No. 279.
R.A.N. & Von Luckner.
1st SET.
DIARIES AND NOTES OF C. E. W. BEAN
CONCERNING THE WAR OF 1914 - 1918
THE use of these diaries and notes is subject to conditions laid down in the terms
of gift to the Australian War Memorial. But, apart from those terms, I wish the
following circumstances and considerations be brought to the notice of every
reader and writer who may use them.
These writings represent only what at the moment of making them I believed to be
true. The diaries were jotted down almost daily with the object of recording what
was the in the writer's mind. Often he wrote them when very tired and half asleep;
also, not infrequently, what he believed to be true was not so — but it does not
follow that he always discovered this, or remembered to correct the mistakes when
discovered. Indeed, he could not always remember that he had written them.
There records should, therefore, be used with great caution, as relating only what
their author, at the time of writing, believed. Further, he cannot, of course, vouch
for the accuracy of statements made to him by others and here recorded. But he
did try to ensure such accuracy by consulting, as far as possible, those who had
seen or otherwise taken part in the events. The constant falsity of second-hand
evidence (on which a large proportion of war stories are founded) was impressed
upon him by the second or third day of the Gallipoli campaign, notwithstanding that
those who passed on such stories usually themselves believed them to be true. All
second-hand evidence herein should be read with this in mind.
AUSTRALIAN WAR MUSEUM
ACCESS STATUS
OPEN
16 Sept., 1946.    C. E. W. BEAN.
AWM38 3DRL 606 ITEM 279 [1]

7185SDF 

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IN REPLY
QUOTE
NO. 507/201/1709
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.
TELEPHONE:
CENTRAL 7185.
TELEGRAPHIC ADDRESS:
"NAVY, MELBOURNE."
NAVY OFFICE,
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE,
MELBOURNE
S.C. 1.
5874
24.MAR.1939
Dear Dr. Bean,
Following on my letter of 20th
January, 1939, I have pleasure in sending you
some statements of the achievements of Royal
Australian Naval College Cadets in their
examinations in England etc.
Yours sincerely,
GL Macandie
(G. L. MACANDIE).
Encl:
Dr. C.E.W. Bean, M.A., D.C.L.,
Victoria Barracks,
PADDINGTON, N.S.W.

 

507/201/1709
Sub-Lieutenants, R.A.N., who obtained 1st Class Certificates in
all subjects of examinations for Lieutenant.

College Year. Date of entry
into College.
Name.
I 1913 H.B. Farncomb
II 1914 A.H. Spurgeon
III 1915 N.P. Morgan
C.G. Little
V 1917 D.H. Harries
W.H. Martin
C.H. Brooks
VIII 1920 R.J. Hodge
X 1922 A.W.R. McNicoll
XII 1924 J.S. Mesley
XVI 1928 R.I. Peek
 

507/201/1709

Sub-Lieutenants, R.A.N., specially successful in any subject
of examinations for Lieutenant.

College Year. Date of entry
into College.
Subject Name Place obtained
in group.
I 1913 Gunnery W.L. Reilly 1st - 75
J.A. Collins 2nd - 75
J.C.D. Esdaile 3rd - 75
Torpedo F.E. Getting 1st - 46
J.A. Collins 2nd - 46
IV 1916 Greenwich J. Donovan 2nd - 111
Navigation H.J. Buchanan 1st - 30
Torpedo J. Donovan 1st - 29
E.F.V. Dechaineux 2nd - 29
H.J. Buchanan 2nd - 28
V 1917 Navigation D.H. Harries 1st - 18
C.H. Brooks 3rd - 19
W.H. Martin 3rd - 17
Gunnery C.H. Brooks 2nd - 34
Torpedo D.H. Harries 1st - 20
W.H. Martin 1st - 17
T.A. Godsell 2nd - 18
C.H. Brooks 3rd - 18
VI 1918 Navigation H.M. Burrell 1st - 19
VII 1919 Gunnery D.M. Hole 3rd - 31
Torpedo  "  " 3rd - 19
VIII 1920 Greenwich R.J. Hodge 1st - 78
Torpedo  "  " 3rd - 18
IX 1921 Navigation R.W. Rankin 3rd - 22
X 1922 Greenwich O.H. Becher 3rd - 47
Navigation J.L. Bath 2nd - 19
War Course
Essay
L. Gellatly 2nd best for
year.
A.W.R.McNicoll 3rd "  "
A.E. Carr 5th "  "
XII 1924 Greenwich J.S. Mesley 3rd - 49
Navigation  "  " 2nd - 15 
Gunnery  "  " 1st - 13
Torpedo  "  " 3rd - 15
XIII 1925 Navigation D.T. Gale 3rd - 19
 

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College Year. Date of entry
into College
Subject Name Place obtained
in group.
XIV 1926 Greenwich E.E. Mayo 1st - 53
Gunnery  "  " 3rd - 16
War Course
Essay
 "  " Best for year
XV 1927 Navigation G.F.E. Knox 3rd - 23
Gunnery V.A. Smith 3rd - 13
Torpedo G.F.E. Knox 1st - 14
XVI 1928 Navigation R.I. Peek 2nd - 19
Gunnery  "  " 1st -17
Torpedo  "  " 1st - 17
XVII 1929 Gunnery W.G. Wheeler 3rd - 15
Torpedo I.H. McDonald 3rd - 13
XVIII 1930 Greenwich
(Part I -
Science)
G.L Fowle 2nd - 40
R.J. Robertson 3rd - 40
Gunnery R.J. Robertson 1st - 13
G.L Fowle 3rd - 13
Signals G.L Fowle 2nd - 13
 

507/201/1709

R.A.N. Officers awarded special prizes for subjects in examinations
for Lieutenant and for Specialist examinations.

Year of award. Officer Why awarded. Prize.
1921 Lt. C. Farquhar-Smith 1st place in
examinations for
Torpedo Lieutenant
£10 - Equivalent
to award of
Ogilvy Medal.
1924 Lt. J.A. Collins 1st place in
examinations for
Gunnery Lieutenant
£13 - Equivalent
to award of
Commander
Egerton Prize.
1926 Lt. N.P. Morgan 1st place in
examinations for
Torpedo Lieutenant
£10 - Equivalent
to award of
Ogilvy Medal
1927 Lt. I.C.R. Macdonald 1st place in final
examinations,
Greenwich, in the
qualifying course
for Signal Officers
Jackson-Everett
Prize.
1928 Lt. E.F.V. Dechaineux 1st place in
examinations for
Torpedo Lieutenant
£10 - Equivalent
to award of
Ogilvy Medal.
1929 Lt. H.J. Buchanan 1st place in
examinations on
completion of
advanced Gunnery
course.
£20
1936 Sub-Lt. (E) R.T.
Farnsworth.
Obtained over 70%
of marks in examination
for all
groups of subjects
for Lieutenant (E)
£10
1937 Sub-Lt. R.J. Robertson 1st place in Gunnery
course in examination
for Lieutenant
£20 - Equivalent
to award of
Goodenough
Medal.
 

507/201/1709.

GOLD MEDAL AWARDED BY H.M. THE KING TO THE CADET MIDSHIPMAN WHO, DURING
HIS PERIOD OF TRAINING AT THE ROYAL AUSTRALIAN NAVAL COLLEGE, EXHIBITED
THE MOST GENTLEMANLIKE BEARING AND GOOD INFLUENCE AMONG THE CADET MIDSHIPMEN.

COLLEGE YEAR. AWARDED TO.
I W. L. Reilly
II H. M. L. Waller
III R. R. Dowling
IV R. P. Middleton
V C. H. Brooks
VI W. E. J. Eames
VII J. C. Morrow
VIII N. A. Mackinnon
IX K. G. Whitford
X P. E. Carr
XI A. S. Storey
XII C. J. Stephenson
XIII W. S. Bracegirdle
XIV J. K. Menary
XV P. S. F. Hancox
XVI S. St. V. Welch
XVII I. H. McDonald
XVIII T. M. Synnot
XIX (No College entry)
XX G. J. B. Crabb
XXI D. C. Wells
XXII W. G. Wright
XXIII G. V. Gladstone
 

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IN REPLY
QUOTE
NO.
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.
TELEPHONE:
CENTRAL 7185.
TELEGRAPHIC ADDRESS:
"NAVY, MELBOURNE."
NAVY OFFICE,
DEPARTMENT OF DEFENCE,
MELBOURNE,
S.C. 1.
1216
20th January, 1939.
Dear Dr. Bean,
With reference to your letter of 28th
December, 1938, I have had the matter enquired into and am
advised that as regards Year I of the Royal Australian
Naval College lads the record of their achievements at the
Naval Schools in England was as follows :-
1920.
Gunnery.
W.L. Reilly 1st
John A. Collins 2nd
J.C.D. Esdaile 3rd - Class of 75.
Torpedo.
F.E. Getting 1st
John A. Collins 2nd - Class of 46.
I am sorry that I have been unable to obtain
any further information on this point but if I can ascertain
anything further I will let you know.
Yours sincerely
GL Macandie
Dr. C.E.W. Bean, M.A.,D.C.L.,
Victoria Barracks,
PADDINGTON,
N.S.W.
[*Acknowledged*]
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Corrections Vol IX
Count von Luckner, 18 June 1938.
I asked him to check Jose's a/c in Vol IX.
Bayley & I went aboard the "Seeteufel" in Neutral Bay.
The following are the corrections to be made in Vol IX:
Seeadler has no torpedo tubes.
Caught in all 18 vessels.
A Danish ship the Viking, found to be a training
ship, he let go.
He knew tt copra was needed - no Brit. captain was responsible 
for the information
At 1 am he left £2 to pay for the stores.
Hills threatened "ordered" its crew to surr., threatening it with empty
revolver etc. Lf etc. Actually Von Luckner ^who was & his men were in civilian
clothes was well aware of the bluff; but he was in
civilian clothes
£1000 was captured with him ^(or rather £998). He heard
later that £500 was said to have been handed
over, but he was not so definite about this - he
was certain as to the £998 — £ 2 had been left at
Lau.
The account in the British Naval History is correct.
He had that history on board.
Journey round world in aux schooner Seeteufel, 1938.
As to his present journey - 1938 - "I always
said 'my greatest pleasure - that will be to
see the world in a house of my own - I take
my own ship, I see what I want, I stay at
each place as long as I please, & of I when I have finished I
go when I please & where I please. I take my

house with me, like a snail. I hav
[*Jx227t*]
"The first thing, it was to get a ship. I
said I will get a ship from the men who know
ships, who live in them — the fishermen. You
know each ship has a soul. I said ' I want
a ship with a soul.' So I went to Iceland &

 
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