Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/271/1 - 1917 - 1938 - Part 5

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First World War, 1914–18
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Fim an Anbanmor 12nd Wee Dear Mt Bay le I have to thank Capt. Bean &you goodself for letters of 30 2 uck Mesch pecel/4/00. Canyou) may e Thursday 3. 12/20/ please ppone At Blacs Carlson insident. I discussed the will several at Fosday night's Committiel meeting. I had also writhen out to find particulars re Johnson of HC who was concerned in the insident I suggest you write Mr Rubhon 4 Barshy Av Rogarah. M madegan S.N. 35 "Biamt newcasble. Wharbous address as known tour was Eashwood. Lundeshand he is a sceence mache
Makeygon was highty ertecned herenpont the B. As a soldier + a man & is a famtariu knowledge for all tings appentaing Whly Second Please ask have to continue be navrative up taincencng Bullecount Lavis was amothers of the 2nd Bi pabs who could not get promition or a comfcuy in 1918 willar new got furder than permanet S.I in 1818 although a Captain tein. Lave was only mcale temp Caft in 1919 as a finendel ait after he had leeen A D.C. to the Wen Commander At Campbill Shanks Iwonld b glad to be present. You enguiries no Brew & Arnstron I abbact thse parbiculars. Bullecount hubbon informs me that Ll. Whasho recommended Sg. Nobly Clarke of the h 1M1. for his wook at Bullicount. SS. McPlee I om mann is reforted to have gon to t land with Sgt McPhee. Perhaps he him knows has present address. Will een write If I can help in any oer was yu tou please advise lay for.
undere the Edncation Beft. M. S. Clatterham was a stretcher beares at the lnun tombe him do Mr Rubhon. It should also be possible to interview Mr Carlson. According to the "Pictorial he is residnn at Rozelte Mr Morgan's narrative appears very clear & correit on many othe incidents &a he handaged up the wounded Carlson be may have got the personal stong from the man. My memory of the hearsay at the time was that there was no white flug used + knowng milligan + his very high shandard of soldierng borgans shonss to be taken as possible. Again wharton was ver leadl bealled & neliable. get he could be wrong Lt. S. Letper was prevent at Bullecout hir address is Argyle St millers I Sdn 7 Set. Barker 35 Repos S Redfery
E was also present as Levers. Sin Sg the Cabe Rt- Hillman was R. G. Officer chouge &1 give you a good narrative. It weell be best to see most- of these men as ke an generall no good on paper. Lavers Ston Thanks for this. I will topy t Hrcknan St. Hoyan dente no touh. Lave is encorrect where he refers to Milla as Caft. Millar, like the other 3 Cor Commander were only kbs. Pavior was wounded he was the) office but on the head by a rebirn him up on the nailwa embankment. Malcolm Patterson Lt. was the Ofc of the C.Co platoon abbartied to H. as foe Bn oferation Od 407. Donaldson could give you a good sbory of ou ccened find him. He was in gon a few month. ago - but is a floabig quartle The madian have neferr to is thie C.BM madean abbartied to the 35th Bir Aantf Newcasble. He was the man who di to long + so well when the 2nd Bn Cosb a lunk of yas at gpne in 1916
733. PA antslto Cy Sec Campbell EBn Bulleer (Notes of interview with , OConnell & Murphy at Tred Tagbio, As 2 Bn wentnp there were a so of lawing man bhind T (ields go) abt 12 shettering behind or T. go shot them as they tried to get in. whartou's recdm. At Parlson, When S/p killed Carton saed spot stood on bank waved white plag & cand dn saged at stopped, & waved white flay Ead bearer went out Carlson dionst stop but mottoued again to cease fire. Carton as presently shot in thigh) He put plain dmans drap hand & te in. He o 2 SBs carry in lot man across io when one SB wo.k. tender v fore Carlson dasher to 1 spot stood on a bank wavry white flag fioe ceased & then cared in the wd man C. Ae went back 80& across of still nover mfire taking do his c him back 40 whern m fire became too inlense. He tron clubed up on a were stay & waved plag to one hand & motioued to cease fire w 1 other. When firing cased be returned to ad man & carrid him to safety. After a minutes rest be went back across is still coldy & determined to rescue anor man 1008 distant Each time
he ws suyd at he slopped; chmbed to a prominent postion & motioned to cease fire. On reachig I wd men he slooped & bandaged him. Anot bearer then went to help hima they placed him on the stretcher but en bearer ws shot dead. Carlson never fluched but stood bott wright on a wound & motioned to cease fire. Then taking wounded man on his back & placery I flay in his hand Carlson walked back towas 1Y. Saying rrecomeed & C ws shat thaso the taigh. There he lay for several santes & crawled out again & plages pey ote ne te te pene toe by are & dys tin al way oech to 129 sal inter foue. The wod man ws shot again tn t proces. I reper to be can but by bere & crawle aloy 121 W0. fualy cared ont in a state of atter extention. All the I witnessed myself & such a example of cold delibeate & inspiring courage ws inpering to handnt wharton the wihend Davy 2 Bn
OCounell ACoy. Is were rfef. from at post from house. 2.9. got onto them. German offe ws there derecting. distribl man. Oc tired to get him to rifle & ws shot in process. This us in first show. In second show O'C. ws shot in arm- A Moyealso ws wd in this alt I BSwain ws shot in this sows. Plenty of bombs but go were outranging us & we were short of rods for refle grevades A cay had to get close in & they were v troublesong The Bu had plenty of Coubo- Marphy had demp of bombs in O92 there when they got in. Sentup in panniers. Rod oan short but were replased. Bombin pts well alead on o behiend it in wh J.Courts bell. Westbrook k andtme in by shell at month of 67
Iloy. The Marshall 435. During taking Og annu com of both sectious of bombers whon bomby sergt k. (ift of leaden bombin team 2335 Sgt S. N. Telfer - onpatrots Wharton in Og1 on may &. 80xup 2 s encountered preparing to att. Telper sent back to giee alarm - promptt adww comand of all men in vismity as relief was b process. He derected nffire atc s0 th a wave of go folly bouly at ws quietg despersed. (Book intercay relief - These in prolly tss alt OC.) eitt Casted abt The. Telfer contd to fight in foremost squad of bombers durng D Coys subseget advance of 500x ap OC.6. titl wd when ally last SpP. & whih passing to rear chaid men. D.C.RS. A.T. grant fet. No12gr. & w. D Coyin 1245 OG.1 during Gl/a - got them going overland Norres & wherton w D Coy. Aloye sot m.C.
Bullecourt. May 6 &at 2Bud R Morgan (IBrs diary on Bnaysg op ohen 2bm we moning to te second time into the lin at Bullecourt A ferman bavinge caught him. Ihe Inbampment the Gn passes it. In the Pronier was being shelles, but t a fatigue party was wet going out i the ty was clatie, Hbored in plecon wit heads poten down to shells Passing was slow & difficult & wo seen by I fermans. When the two purties were pasing a heavy stelling discended. The scene to me is indescribable roar of bursting: shels, screems of dying men finits & suoke Lackih Major Soukey kept this tead n caking to ns t folow hims lef T Sasing at regt angted reached a onte ae e o tite e e Looking back one could ong for meales se a hige cloed of enthe t ne ate a fepere would everyt fom it nernny and leome t please as fard ag: tey cout fo. Teae fer virates contien for we more exeitenng ton I hore lxfenend ting al les a po P40
Apt upbell 102B0 Capt. Wisken us an offi then of 2Ba in OG.1 but he was not in proper Control of the bombirg E. OG.1. Campbell, who had been ie O.G.2 with went roandD Mages & lonvell found that the men in Of. I were not so for ahead. key were siting down rabe dispondcl with no officer in charge. He sent repot to the Colonet who sent up apt. George Mann. In the meantim Campbell himself took charge in Of. & led the boabing, Io & is moved on again. Our bembers were well in with the ferman bombs bursting behind them & doing littledamp except filling the place with smoke & swell, And bits of tin. Moys & OConvett were proctically stripped for it was a very hat doe to the waist 5 Campbell, when Mann arrived, was leading him alway the brnch. when they overran a ferman, whom Campbell but on the head with a bag of boubt, & killed. 0

Immarna
[[Arbarinon?]]
12nd Dec
Dear Mr Bazley
I have to thank Capt.
Bean & your good self for letters of
29 & 30th inst.
Next Wed 14th Dec Can you make it

Thursday 15th. If so please phone me

at Slade's.
Carlson incident. I discussed this with
several at Friday night's Committee
meeting. I had also written out
to find particulars re Johnson of A Coy
who was concerned in the incident.
I suggest you write Mr Lutton 14
Barsley Av Kogarah. Mr Maclagan S.M
35th Bn AMF Newcastle. Wharton's
address as known to us was Eastwood.
I understand he is a science master

 

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Madigan was highly esteemed throughout the Bn
as a soldier & a man & is a fountain of
knowledge for all things appertaining to the Second.
Please ask Laver to continue his narrative
up to & including Bullecourt.
Laver was another of the 2nd Bn Subs who
could not get promotion or a company in 1918.

Millar never got further than permanent S.I.C
in 1918 although a Captain then. Laver was
only made temp Capt in 1919 as a friendly
act after he had been ADC to the Divn
Commander.
Lt Campbell Thanks I would be glad to be present.
Your enquiries re Brew & Armstrong
I attach these particulars.
Bullecourt Gibbon informs me that Lt Wharton
recommended Sgt. Nobby Clarke of the L. TMB
for his wook at Bullecourt.
Sgt. McPhee - Sam Mann is reported to have
gone to Q'land with Sgt McPhee. Perhaps he
knows his present address. Will you write him.
If I can help in any other way
please advise.

Yours truly
Taylor

 

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under the Education Dept. Mr S. Clutterham
was a stretcher bearer at the time. Write 
him c/o Mr Lutton. It should also be
possible to interview Mr Carlson. According
to the 'Pictorial' he is residing at Rozelle.
Mr Morgan's narrative appears very clear
& correct on many other incidents & as
he bandaged up the wounded Carlson he
may have got the personal story from
the man. My memory of the "hearsay"
at the time was that there was no white
flag used & knowing Mulligan & his
very high standard of soldiering Morgan's
story is to be taken as possible. Again
Wharton was very level headed &
reliable. Yet he could be wrong.
Lt. S. Telfer was present at Bullecourt
His address is Argyle St Millers Pt Sydney.
Sgt. Barker 35 Kepos St Redfern

 

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was also present as Lewis Gun Sgt.
(the late Lt Hillman was L.G. Officer) & should
give you a good narrative.  It will be
best to see most of these men as they are
generally no good on paper.
Laver's Story Thanks for this. I will
copy it & return it to you but not tonight.
Laver is incorrect where he refers to Millar
as Capt.  Millar, like the other 3 Coy Commanders
were only Lts.  Pavior was wounded - 
he was the officer hit on the head by a returning
him up on the railway embankment.
Malcolm Patterson Lt. was the O/c of the C. Coy
platoon attached to A. as per Bn Operation Order No 7.
Donaldson could give you a good story if you
could find him. He was in Sydney a few months
ago - but is a floating quantity.
The Madigan Laver refers to is the CSM
Madigan attached to the 35th Bn AMF Newcastle.
He was the man who dug so long & so well
when the 2nd Bn lost a bunch of officers at Ypres
in 1916.

 

[*See Campbell*]
2 Bn Bullect
(Notes of interview with Mann, O'Connell & Murphy
at Fred Taylors, Oct 1929)
As 2 Bn went up there were a no of 
men behind T. (incldg Gs) abt 12 sheltering
behind a T. Gs shot them as they tried to get in.
Wharton's recdn.

[*1733. Pte 

Arthur ^ Leslie Carlson*]
A L Carlson, When S/B killed Carlson
dashed to spot, stood on bank, waved
white flag, & carrd wd man. Sniped at, stopped, 
& waved white flag. 2nd bearer went out
Carlson did not stop but motioned again
to cease fire. Carlson ws presently
shot in thigh. He put flag in wd man's
hand & carrd dragged him in. He had
2 SBs carry in wd man across Nomansland when
one SB ws. k. Under mg. fire Carlson dashed
to / spot, stood on a bank waving white flag
fire ceased & then carrd in the wd man
C. then went back 80x across Nomansland still under
mg fire & taking wd man on his shoulder carrd
him back 40x when mg fire became too
intense. He then climbed up on a wire
stay & waved / flag w one hand & motioned
to cease fire w / other. When firing
ceased he returned to wd man & carrd
him to safety. After a minutes rest he
went back across Nomansland still coldly &
determinedly to rescue anor man 100x distant
Each time

 

he ws sniped at he stopped; climbed to
a prominent position & motioned to cease
fire. On reaching / wd man he stooped &
bandaged him. Anor bearer then went to
help him in x. They placed him on the stretcher
but 2nd bearer ws shot dead. Carlson
never flinched but stood bolt upright on
a mound & motioned to cease fire.
Then taking wounded man on his back
& placing / flag in his hand Carlson
walked back towds / trench. Sniping
recommenced & C ws shot thro the
thigh. There he lay for several minutes
& crawled out again & placing
/ flag in / other man's hand he grasped
him by / arm & dragged him all 
/ way back to / trench still under fire.
The wd man ws shot again in /
process. C refused to be carrd
out by / bearers & crawled along
/ trench 100x, finally carrd out in
a state of utter exhaustion. All this
I witnessed myself & such an example
of cold deliberate & inspiring
courage ws inspiring to / hundreds
who witnessed it.

H Wharton
D Coy 2 Bn

 

OConnell A Coy.
Gs were rfcg. from rt front from house. L.G.
got onto them. German offr ws there directing -
distribg men. O'C. tried to get him w rifle
& ws shot in process. This ws in first show.
[*A*]

In second show O'C. ws shot in arm -
Moye (C) also ws wd in this att. (?)
[*D*] B. Swain ws shot in this show.
Plenty of bombs but Gs were outranging us
& we were short of rods for rifle grenades.
A Coy had to get close in, & they were v. troublesome.
The Bn had plenty of bombs -
Murphy had dump of bombs in OG 2 -
there when they got in - Sent up in panniers.
Rods ran short but were replaced. Bombing
pty well ahead in the Nomansland behind it in wh G. bombs
fell.
Westbrook k 2nd time in by shell at mouth of [shorthand].

 

D Coy. Pte Marshall 4351. During taking of
OG 1 assmd commd of both sections of
bombers when bombg sergt k. (in/c of leading
bombing team).
2336 Sgt S. N. Telfer - on patrols w
Wharton in OG 1 on May 4. 80x up trench
Gs encountered preparing to att. Telfer sent
back to give alarm - promptly assumed
command of all men in vicinity as relief was
in process. He directed mg fire etc so tt
a wave of Gs follg bombg att ws quickly
dispersed. (Probly inter coy relief - These
were probly tps attg O'C.) C/Att lasted abt
½ hr. Telfer contd to fight in foremost
squad of bombers during D Coy's
subseqnt advance of 500x up O.G. 1.
till wd when attg last S/P. & while
passing to rear [[cheered?]] men.

[*D.C.M.*]
4295. ^ A.T. Grant L/Cpl. No 1 L Gr. xx w D Coy in 
O.G. 1 during G c/a - got them going overland.
Norris & Wharton w D Coy.
Moye got M.C.

 

Bullecourt. May 6
2 Bn R Morgan (S/Br)'s diary.
On 6 May 1917 when 2 Bn ws moving for
the second time into the line at Bullecourt
a German barrage caught them. The Embankment
was being shelled, but the trench was xxxxxx the Bn passed it. In the Pioneers Trench
a fatigue party was met going out; the trench was
shallow, floored in places with dead, broken
down w shells. Passing was slow & difficult
& ws seen by / Germans. When the two parties
were passing a heavy shelling descended.
"The scene to me is indescribable -
roar of bursting shells, screams of dying men,
fumes & smoke. Luckily Major Southey kept
his head, & calling to us to follow him, left /
trench & running at right angles reached a
bank where we took shelter & rested for a

few minutes.  Looking back one could only
see a huge cloud of smoke & now & again
a figure would emerge from it running away
from / place as hard as they could go. These

few minutes contain for me more excitement

than I have experienced during / whole campaign."
P.T.O

 

Capt Campbell 10. 2 Bn
Capt. Wisken ws an offr. then of 2 Bn in OG. 1 but he was
not in proper control of the bombing in OG. 1.
Campbell, who had been in O.G. 2 with
Moyes & Connell, ^ went round & found that the men
in O.G. I were not so for ahead. They
were sitting down rather despondently 

with no officer in charge. He sent a
report to the Colonel who sent up Capt.
George Mann. In the meantime
Campbell himself took charge in OG 1
& led the bombing, In & it moved on
again.
Our bombers were well in
- with the German bombs bursting
behind them & doing little damage
"except filling the place with smoke
& smell, and bits of tin." Moy's &
O'Connell were practically stripped
to the waist, for it was a very hot day.
Campbell, when Mann arrived, was
leading him along the trench when they
overran a German, whom Campbell hit on
the head with a bag of bombs, & killed.
[*Meanwhile*]

 
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