Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/269/1 - 1918 - 1936 - Part 5

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Ldw. W. Wilson's terrific fight for h oN & to keep it hor being merch the instrument of Tr- but machiery to adjust I wortd thereafter not by interest but by right. He took its cousk from the Brit, L of N. Societies & commn set up by Govd (Dro A.V. Balloar) to draw up a plan- Cle ante chaimerty of Bewn Kitlere, reporlton c7 3. 180 the Parlicls ofis rept beans basie of L1/2. The anere te oe to feos ens ot fo n el th ae aot a ane e e te te e oe Puellmont an e e e ne se ne n e e e Tp18✓ redwvalont Court of Fashiaes ae e e o e ete e e onte ae e e ae e e e e mande o ereltes ante ande e n ete uside
wh oon recogn of her states as a St power, Baler 11/22y Sapan as only to into Co. of 4 When Eastera quodeic She wantd () cmplete reaga (also) in Coot of LJN. &(2) recogn of right to deal io Chinc unhamper by other powers The demanded former germ. concessas in Ohence to be disposed of solely betw her Wa5 14221 MW2SH 15t day Sap o thina present o Tap. presented demand miday Edops 3diese hadocosedwilan. 229 10sa: wo how gill med april! Feb 13 making introdd Equality clause But shelved, owig to strugles with France, until came before Lof D. Comn. On Ap 11.
under taunts of Fr. Polss Preads saurtiy Baker 1/291 Plenary Session Jan 28t sterted heaque. H.G. Ton 30 at Co. of 10 says Brit. accepted Mandats syot But held sex. & heated nite of Dellgn & got Primos to agoce to Crandate defurction Then on Jan 30 L9. came to Co of 10 & sd. Bulain Low accepted but Domin ious not whollyso, but were presd to acept as a o a reafu W. G. ti presnted resole for A BF. Cnondhe. Pocslt diont disagan but what hunry. Lape sad give mandates. 4 9. sd he cap halp saying tt 1 statment to wh they had just hoteed felled him w deopais. Wition ws ready to accept (propl suby to reconsider Jap. & authr both desptt. this as I first it struggle at Peace Coufee Hagles ws prest. on Jan 20. Quota in Bakw 1/275 is pove secret minutes of coufee. 31 Mar Meuis. Smito compensation for all damage dooe to I cwilian pople o vallies & to their pooply by aggreson of fy by land, by sea, & fom cai Reservu Nov 1918 607
Am schenc w sats princ as mandalon Jan 21 bilson tias to being on Eo Ndiea Jan 23. N.G. begins allugt to divide Brit. Colonies pd. Collmetters by discussed. Cllm. O Souning agree. P252 Divisinad cave all pties putig they had something depinits t Jan 25t ad Peenary sssion Cty to draft covenant. Jan 24 after: Go stee in oute room. As this safe 1 Dominiion 259 PYe endred soom. L.Ga buif statet showing G. Colrpoly had be bad Welm Agrees al opd to restoo of G colonics (?) 69 5adO1 internatle. 12) Ovenatie as mandalony (3) Annexn This Doms. wente at once & WG sappid. He ad like coufe to treat 1 teras ptof 57 Lomts wh had capld tem Tram Haghes. Neay, smate. All for annex. cast o beus- t now in pown seenity Watives Safegd. Borli spoke in suppt. Taps (oda Tape went ochow & rlys Exin Shanling Jan 27. wilson explains what he dears 9. 18 Jan 28. Smon for 10go land & Cameroous. Ltr Belfe, Italy, Portant We says, it and make Lof Na. (5 49. & chan 3 Jan 29. F. & Hyhes att. sinion for annexn stsayst, out. Cdig near to reepture. N.Sd whole disan willow orleds. go far a negn in dilall of Principl, Balf says no -Bit. accepts for Welson twrn on Hugres. Tan 30 cercel He we like time to think keep overs wilion protiets apt atts L/45 W. pit out to only Gr. B. had acceptes He sdud poulpne matter any More tha H.G. The date of his departure we set. Dom PMs. Japan, Chenc. &all there LI. G. Explains to be favours mandates but he dibnt thank Jan 27. a special excepta in favour of Doms. ad spoil whole cose 18. & Mo both ready to admel mandatis elewhere.
272 Being beaten on this But Eneg desided to try & fet what Separate rity of Bai Eng. delep & w pt Diffy Sst. it wanted insith Leaque. Premier to agree to giveror mandatory depenct. Yon 21 Eatan decitd io ceapt but not wholy Fan 30 4. G. annossed at Co. of to Doms prepd 5 accept doct. as a comprovese. He Iam presented resoh of mirk. tereties t Cutral Afrian bus. Bet G. SW. & Paafe ocepd by Don po in Cmantale prst aped, but wit peref themn nt yet. sep out to open doos mandates must wait for heape. H. G. s. of satund to ol thy and fie lihend filled him is drepain? Haghes's altimation Sons. 2n, dx. dipt
(Nolis from Easma Put. Lebrany Fhanysession of Lague 28 Ap 1919 accepted bot Smets paughpt e reversionaty of , dust. Beny, K. Pt eag Enpires saperon by lague or maudatories. Witson adds G. Alouils. in his draft. camoed appointed by plenary canfel, Anie Hunit-mitter diat. Ia fout reading dibate faps introl Irain sqnati Clouse Tiely raund by fass on day on wh lovt a op Oet 14 chap aot path. W went soon a dversen hext Coufle Mar22 Weat at mond to Coufle & heabe Sageps In Ws resit t ama he began to realint oppn to leat we ahons (rast, Lowell Elhe Root sot him to take up certain amend into 1 control of donectic suby& (oone) or Reseron of Monroe Dociin B) Proon for withdr from heapue. (one) (o) Treedom to repeso mandates fut necy Tix term for duin of League & lite faret. Require anauiit witeon prope amend to at andsession of LGW Com
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Ref. Vol & Chap. 22, pp. 27. 38. Personal Right Hon Sir John Lathan 13 November 1935 Chief Justice of Australia, High Court, Helbourne My dear Lathan. if you are not too busy) I wemer if you would again give me your help in connection with the history of the Versailles Peace Confarencs. Professor Scott's volune was sant time ago sent to Mr Hughes for hio connent, and he has just returned it with several interesting notes. Ons of these relates to the origin of the r class manlates. He Kindly called on me and gave me his version of the story, which, as far as 1 can remember it 1s shortly as follows: The British delegation-hnd or rather the far Cabinet- had aceided to claim the sovereignty of South West A Africa and the Pecifio Islands for the Doninions whose troops occupied then; but, in France, the attitude of President Wil- son, who finnlly threatened to leave the conference, caused Mr Lloyd George to withdraw his support from Mr Hughes in Ehis matter - all the rest of the British delegationnhad already withdrawn theirs. Lloyd George and Hughes had a heart to heart talk ever the matter - se talked to ene another, well, in Welsh.. said Hughes to me - and as the result it was leftte a connittee consisting of Bonar Law, Hughes, and Col. Lankey to draft an acceptable solution if they could find one. Hughes says that Bonar Law cidn’t come nuch into it, but Hankay drew up formula after formula and subnitted then to Hughes and each time Hughes turned then down until a suitable one was prolved. (Nov 1 understood that you drafted the actual formula that was approvad, and so I take it that, either you were left by Hughes to dal with Hankey as to the details, or else that, after Hankey had produced a formula that might suffice generaly you were acked to nake it suitable for ir Hughes. Anyway, to proceed with Billy's story - Hughes then asked Hankey;'Is this equivalent to a 999 years lease as compared with a freehold yr Hankey said that 1t was; and Hughes then agreed. B
6 Council of Ten Mr Hughes savs the solution was ne t brought be Ore Here Mr Hughes was asked it he agreed to the several Condit- lons, as to prohibition of arms, liquor, fortification, and as to access for missionaries, and, KhaExks on his acquiescance, President Wilson asked if this was Australia s ultimatum. M. Clemenceau intervened diplomatically, and the C chass mandate formula was approved. I should be grateful 1f you would give me your help an to this narrative, either confirming or modiffing or contro- verting it. Mr Hughes also tells me that Temperley's state- ment (Histery of Peace Conference, Vol VI, p.353) that Hughes ae demanded the refund of the whole of Australia's war costs, estimated at 2364,000,000 plus 2100,000,000 for pensions 10ss of property, etc., is an invention? - that he made no such demand then or at any other time. 1 should be grateful if you could throw any laght on this ils matter, 1 d8ft Eththk Temperley would Invent atement, and if he is wrong he is probably consusing as Slatewent of Austr- alia's loss with a damand for its repayment. Lour opinions however shortly stated -even a sentance or two 9 would be of great help. With Kind regards, Yours sincerely, (SsA) (Pwpea

L of N.
W. Wilson's terrific fight for L of N & to keep it from being merely
the instrument of Fr - but machinery to adjust / world
thereafter not by interest but by right.
He took its constn from the Brit, L of N. Societies &
common set up by Govt (thru A.V. Balfour) to draw up a plan - 
Ctee under chairmanship of Baron Phillimore, reported on 29.3.18. &
use 18 Articles of its rept became basis of L of N. The Amercn
"League to Enforce Peace" worked for same ideals, but it ws

the ^Phillimore rept, sent to America in May, on wh Wilson chiefly thought.

[*I/214-8*]
In June 1918 he started it. House (& Elihu Root) worked on this & added
International Court of Justice.
House draft also guaranteed to "territl integrity & political indepce" 

of L of N members. Wilson held in a strong, direct guarantee, basing this 
on the inspiratns drawn from American Constitn.
House folld the guarantee with clauses providing for
modificns e.g. (as he wrote) if Can. wanted to join ? U.S.A.
"Mandate" ws Saruto's inventn;

Presdt left out the internatl courts, & put in "armed force as a means
(besides blockades) of xxxxx punishing violation.

 

Baker 11/224 Japan, wh won recognn of her status as a gt power,
ws only tn into Co. of 4 when Eastern qns discd.
She wanted (1) complete recogn (also) in Covt of L of N.
& (2) recogn of right to deal w China  unhampered
by other powers.
She demanded former Germ. concessns in China to be
disposed of solely betw her
[*WaT JX2271
MW254 1*]
/229 1st day Jap & China present & Jap. presented demand
2nd day xxxx 3 Chinese Koo addressed Wilson.
? 10 Jan: No more till mid April!
Feb 13 Makino introdd Equality clause
But shelved, owing to struggles with France,
until came before L. of N. Comm. on Ap 11.

 

Presdt smarting under taunts of Fr. Press
Baker 1/271 Plenary Session Jan 25 started League.
Ll.G. Jan 30 at Co. of 10 says Brit. accepted Mandate Syst.
But held sep. & heated mtg of Delegn. & got Premrs to agree to
C Mandate definition
Then on Jan 30 Ll G. came to Co of 10 & sd. Bulair had
accepted but Dominions not wholly so, but were
prepd to accept xxxx a resln as a compromise.
Ll. G. then presented resoln for A B & C mandates.
Presdt didnt disagree but wdnt hurry. League
shd give mandates.
Ll G. sd "he cdnt help saying tt / statement to
wh they had just listened filled him w despair."
Wilson ws ready to accept / propls subj to reconsidn
Jap. & Austlia both disptd.
This ws / first gt struggle at Peace Confce.
Hughes ws prest. on Jan 30. Quotn in Baker 1/275
is from secret minutes of Confce.
Smuts 31 Mar Mins.
"Compensation for all damage done to
/ civilian popln o / allies & to their propty
by / aggressn of Gy by land, by sea, & from / air"
Reserve Nov 1918

 

Jap destd by Minotaur, Hampshire (& ? Newc.) Aug 12.

 

Amrn scheme w Smuts princ. as mandatory.
Jan 21 Wilson tries to bring on L of N descn
[*p252*]  Jan 23. Ll.G. begins attempt to divide Brit. Colonies
Props Col. matters be discussed. Clem. & Sounino agree.
Division wd have all pties feeling they had something definite. All delegns to send in claims in 10 days.
Jan 25 2nd Plenary session. Ctee to draft Covenant.
[*254/*]   Jan 24 aftn: Gt stir in outer room. As this stage / Dominion
PMs entered room.
Ll.G. made brief statement showing G. Col. poly had bn bad
Wilson .Agreed all oppd to restorn of G colonies (!)
Ll.G. suggd (1) Internatln
(2) One nation as mandatory
(3) Annexn
This Doms. wanted at once & Ll G supptd.
"We wd like / confce to treat / territories as pt o /
Dom's wh had captd them"
[*257/*]

Then Hughes, Massey, Smuts. All for annexn.
Cost & bases - tps now in possn
Security
Natives safegdd
Botha spoke in suppt.
Jan 27. Japs (& French?) Japs want Kracochow & rlwys bk in Shanlong.
Wilson explains what he means
Jan 28.  Simon & G. Is. for Togo land & Cameroons. Later Belg., Italy, Portugal.
W says, it wd make L of N imp.(to Ll.G & Clem)
Simon for annexn straight out. Came near to rupture. W. sd whole discn
so far a negn in detail of Principle. Balf says no - Brit. accepts for
herself. He wd like time to 
think things over.
W. p is out tt only Gt B. had acceptd
He wdn't postpone / matter any 
more than Ll.G. The date of his 
departure ws set.

[*? Jan 29. Fr. & Hughes att.
Wilson outside.*]

[*I/275*]   Jan 30 Wilson turns on Hughes.
Wilson protests agst atts.
Jan 27. Dom PMs. Japan, China, all there

Ll.G. explains tt he favours mandates but he didn't think
"a special exceptn in favour of / Doms. wd spoil / whole case."
H. & M. both ready to admit mandates elsewhere.

 

Being beaten on this Brit Emp decided to try & get what
it wanted inside Leaque.
Separate mtg of Brit Emp. delegn. & w gt diffy got

Premiers to agree to general mandatory definitn.
Jan 30 Ll.G. arrived at Co. of 10

[*272/*]

Gt. Britan decided to accept but ^Doms not wholly.
Doms prepd to accept doct. as a compromise.
He Then presented resoln re Turk. terrties &
Central African lands. But G. S.W. & Pacific
- occpd by Dom tps - in "C." mandate
left out the "open door."
Presdt agreed, but wdnt parcel them out yet.

Mandates must wait for League.
Ll. G. sd "/ statement to wh they had just listened
filled him w despair."
[*275/*]

Hughes's ultimatum.
Doms. Fr., Jap. dispptd.

 

(Notes from Tasmn Pub. Library)
Plenary session of League [[28?]]Ap 1919 accepted Govt.
Smuts pamphlet:
League to be reversionary of Germ. Aust-Hung, R. Turkish
Empires
Supervn by League or mandatories.
Wilson adds G. colonies. in his draft.
Commn appointed by plenary confce. Considd Hurst-Miller
draft.
In first reading debate Japs introdd racial equality
clause.
Finally raised by Japs on day on wh Covt adopted.
Feb 14 draft Covt publd. W went soon to America
next Confce Mar 22.
[[?natials/]] summoned to Confce & made suggns
In W's visit to America he began to realise tt
oppn to Covt ws strong (Taft, Lowell &
Elihu Root got him to take up certain amendments)
(1) Control of domestic subjs (Done)
(2) Reservn of Monroe Doctrine
(3) Provn for withdrl from League. (done)
(6) Freedom to refuse mandates (not neg)
Fix term for durn of League & of limitn of armt.
Require unanimity.
Wilson propsd amendts  at 2nd session of L of N Commn.

 

Note from Mr 

Hughes - abt

meetings of Co. of Ten

Jan 23-30 1918

Hughes
Orlund
Makino

Clem [shorthand]

Botha spoke
for S. Africa. 
2 - [shorthand] 

Koo spoke [shorthand] 
Hughes [shorthand] first

[shorthand] 
[shorthand] ws left alone.

[*Ll. G.  [shorthand] C of 4 abt 11.45*]
[*Drafting done by
Hankey.*]

Clem
Pichou
Wilson
Lansing ?
Orlando

Sounino
Makino
[Chinta?]
Wellington Koo &

a Chinese
Bonar Law
Hughes

 

Ref. Vol XI Chap. 22, pp. 27. 38.
Personal
13 November 1935

Right Hon. Sir John Latham,
Chief Justice of Australia,
High Court,
Melbourne.
My dear Latham,
if you are not too busy, I wonder if you would
again give me your help in connection with the history of the
Versailles Peace Conference.
Professor Scott's volume was some time ago sent
to Mr Hughes for his comment, and he has just returned it with
several interesting notes. One of these relates to the origin
of the "C" class mandates. He kindly called on me and gave me
his version of the story, which, as far as 1 can remember it
is shortly as follows:

[*A*]
The British delegation-had or rather the War
Cabinet- had decided to claim the sovereignty of South West
Africa and the Pacific Islands for the Dominions whose troops
occupied them; but, in France, the attitude of President Wilson, 

who finally threatened to leave the conference, caused
Mr Lloyd George to withdraw his support from Mr Hughes in this
matter - all the rest of the British delegationhad already
withdrawn theirs. Lloyd George and Hughes had a heart to
heart talk over the matter - "we talked to one another, well, in
Welsh.." said Hughes to me - and as the result it was left to
a committee consisting of Bonar Law, Hughes, and Col. Hankey
to draft an acceptable solution if they could find one. Hughes
says that Bonar Law didn’t come much into it, but Hankey drew
up formula after formula and submitted them to Hughes and each
time Hughes turned them down until a suitable one was evolved.
(Now I understood that you drafted the actual formula
that was approved, and so I take it that, either you were left
by Hughes to deal with Hankey as to the details, or else that,
after Hankey had produced a formula that might suffice generally,
you were asked to make it suitable for Mr Hughes. Anyway,
to proceed with Billy's story - )
[*B*]

- Hughes then asked Hankey; "Is this equivalent to a
999 years lease as compared with a freehold?" Hankey said that
it was; and Hughes then agreed.

 

2

[*B*]
Mr Hughes says the solution was next brought before the / Council of Ten
Here Mr Hughes was asked if he adreed to the several conditions, 

as to prohibition of arms, liquor, fortification, and
as to access for missionaries, and, xxxxx on his acquiescence,
President Wilson asked if this was Australia's ultimatum. M.
Clemenceau intervened diplomatically, and the "C" class mandate
formula was approved.
I should be grateful 1f you would give me your help as
to this narrative, either confirming or modifying or controverting 

[*C*]

it. Mr Hughes also tells me that Temperley's statement 

(History of Peace Conference, Vol VI, p.353) that Hughes he
demanded the refund of the whole of Australia's war costs,
estimated at £364,000,000 plus £100,000,000 for pensions,
loss of property, etc., is an "invention" - that he made no
such demand then or at any other time.
I should be grateful if you could throw any light on this
matter ^also. I dont think am sure Temperley would ^not invent a statement, and
if he is wrong he is probably confusing an statement estimate of Australia's 

loss with a demand for its repayment.
Your opinion (however shortly stated -even a sentence or
two -) would be of great help.
With kind regards,
Yours sincerely,
(Sgd) CEW Bean

 
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