Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/264/1 - 1914 - 1938 - Part 11

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First World War, 1914–18
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EXTRACT FROM WARVING FORI "B' ISSUED TO CAPTAIN H.J. KELL, MASTER OF S.S, "WIMMERA" BY CAPTAIN F.H.C. BROWNOW, R.A.N., DISTRICT NAVAL OFFICER, SYDVEY, an 177h JUNE 1918 :- RoF DURIK TRADE ROUTFS DURING WAR - SPSCTAT O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The Master of the S.S. "WIMMERA" on his voyage from Sydney to Auckland leaving Sydney at r.m. on the 17th instant will adopt the following route at a speed of 13 knots. He expects to arrive at Auckland about a.m. on the 21st June 1918. Leave Sydney at right angles to Coast and keep To NEW ZEALAND: outside the 130 Fathom Ete wherever possible on any Coast. in FOR WELINGTON and THROUGH COOK STRAIT:- Keep. 30 miles clear of West Haven Inlet and Cape Farewell Spit. FOR AUCKLAND AND PORTS ON EAST COAST:- Keet to Northward of Three King Island and keep outside the 130 Fathom line and not to approach within 30 miles of Great Barrier Island except in daylight and then keep close watch for Floating Mines. . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. (Original to be eigned by the Master and retained by D.N.C.) H.J. KEUL. Date. 17th June 1918. (sgi) Master S.S. "WIMMTRA". . . .... . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Deaprtment of the Navy MEUBOURNE, 15th July 1916. that SENIOR NAVAL OFFICER, WELLINGTON, reports on 26/6/1918 "WIMMERA" sunk by mine 5-15 a.m. Wednesday 26th Hopper Point, bearing S.E. half East magnetic 24- miles. According to calculatiche in Hydrographic Braach (21/10/26; the" HEERA", when struck by mine, was several miles within the 130 fathom line. "WIMERA" was on the return journey to Sydney and would have been in possession of Route Orders issued by the New Zealand Naval. These would, however, be in agreement with those issued at Sydney. As "WIMMERA" was sunk in the New Zealand area all investigations as to her being inside prohibited areas were carried out by the New Zealan d Naval Authorities.
Sec/VW. October, 1926. Dear Macandie, Could you please supply any documents which would enable Bean to check the following paragraphs in Jose's Volume:- "Furthermore it must be here emphasised that P.10. neither the Cumberland nor the Wimmera would have been lost if their masters had obeyed orders and not taken short cuts through prohibited areas. In relation to the wireless messages, sent by the Matunga to Rabaul, which led to the steamer's capture: "Donaldson broke the regulation and doubled the P.11. risks by sending a second (message) to the same station at 9 a.m. on the 30th." "About the 15th (August, 1917) the possibility P.15. of raider action began to dawn on the searchers, and attention was called by the Director of the Radio Service to Donaldson's fatal message of the 29th of July - especially to his unauthorised use of the vessel's call-sign; Yours faithfully, Bar G.L. Macandie Esq., NAVAL BOARD.
-2597 2698 TELEPHONE Nos. TELECRAPHIC ADDRESS COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA. Tensr. 287 "AUSWARMUSE" 2ee) HOME AND TERRITORIES DEPARTMENT. COEMUNCAoN to es Apbassso vo "T OIAEcos." aeav Puzass oto AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL. 1215/126 EXHIBITION BUILDINCS, MELSOURNE. 6th December, 1926. Dear Mr. Bazley, In the Sydney "Bulletin" of 12th August we noticed a pangraph in which it was 2 that a statement describing the mine-laying activities of the German raider "Wolf" in New Zealand waters had been released by the Minister for Defence. We asked the New Zealand Government Agent to obtain a copy for us. This we have just received in duplicate. I am sending a copy herewith as it may be of interest to you in connection with the Naval Volume. As we have the original copy, the duplicate sent herewith may be treated by you as a spare. Yours sincerely, iise Mr. A. W. Bazle C/o. Official Historian Victoria Barrack SYDNEY. M.S.w.
COPY. Minister's Office Defence Department, Wellington. 12th November, 1926. MEMORANDUM for : Agent for New Zealand Government, 59 William Street, MXLBOURRE. Referring to your letter of the 4th October last, I forward herewith for transmission to Major J. L. Treloar Director ofthe Au stralian War Memorial, two typewritten copies of an article which appeared in the New Zealand "Times" of 20th July, 1926, on the subject of the operations of the German raider "Wolf". It should be explained that the article in question was written up by a local journalist and is official only to the extent that the data on which the article is based was supplied by the Navy Office. Actually, the whole of the information in the article had appeared in the press a few year before at different times, but no comprehensive statement on the subject had appeared previously, and that is all that is meant by the full statement that "the full story –– has just been released by the Minister of Defence". (Sgd.) F. D. Rolleston. Minister of Defence.
44 2op192b. EXTRACT FRON TT "NEN TALAND T HE FLOATING DEATH MINEFIELDG ROUND DOMINION STORY OF RAILER'S WAR-TIME SOWING SELDS OF DISTRUCTION. - From Germany, through well-policed waters there came in 1916 a mystery She was on a world-wide cruise and her ship on an errand of destruction. sailing meant the loss of ships and lives to New Zealand. A few days ago, in a speech made in London, Sir James Allen referred The raider was to a minefield laid in Cook Strait by a war-time raider. the notorious Wolf and the full story of her war-time activities has just been released by the Minister of Defence (Hon. F.J.Rolleston). The Wolf laid some sixty mines round the New Zealand coast in two line north and south, off Cape Maria Van Diemen and the western entrance to Cook The object, of course, was to catch traffic from and to Australia Strait. and the two fields were spread as far out as possible. The German raider came out from the North Sea round the Cape of Good Hope, then to Ceylon and India, capturing another vessel and setting her off in turn as a mine-layer and then passing through Bass Strait, south of Finally, she came down Australia, up towards the centre of the Pacific. towards New Zealand, where she brought two minefields into being. There were about 25 mines in the northern field and some 35 in the southern one. In the field off Maria Van Diemen the C. and D. liner Port Kembla and the small coastal ship Kerrima were sunk, while the Wimmera struck two mines and went down with heavy loss of life. Both north and south the Navy soon commenced operations to attempt to clear the trade routes from danger and three small steamers were converted into mine-sweepers. These were the Nora Niven, which was brought down from Napier, and the Simplom, which now acts as a tug in Auckland. Later they were joined by The task was dangerous, as will be realised when it is the Mananui. known that the Admiralty lost something like 250 sweepers in the North Sea alone during the war. TILES AND WINDS. In the northern minefield the sceepers caught il mines, in the The hunt for the mines was helped by the fact that southern 9 mines. effective minelaying is restricted to a depth of 100 fathoms, for in water over 200 feet deep it is impossible to be sure that mines will hold their It did not affect them near at home, places, and the Germans knew this. for the whole of the North Sea is of a depth less than 200 feet. But round the New Zealand coast was another matter, and the sweepers were Still, a good number of the mines aided by the knowledge of this fact. were not located, but the tides and winds were with the searchers. During 1918 an increasing number of mines were reported to be washed Two were found in Queen Charlotte Sound, one near Foxton, one ashore. between Cape Farewell and West Haven Inlet, one at Otaki, and others six miles north of Manawatu, off Rangitik beach, at Manawatu, 1y niles from This Bulls, and at Truarangi Point, which killed three Maoris. In 1919 others were found on Olansu represented the "bag" of 1918. beach, near the Ohau River, near Tory Channel, and at Manakau. Two blew up in the minefield, one was sunk by rifle-fire from the Waimea - in these days all small coasting vessels were provided with a rifle and ammunition for the purpose of sinking mines - one was seen to blow up on a reef, one was exploded at Awahio, one was sunk by the Waverley 15 miles from Patea, one was heard to explode from Charig, and one was towed into Wellington and sunk in deep water. The......
-2. The vessel which did this was the Kamona, which encountered the mine The Navy Office in a smooth sea just as the light was failing. viewed this feat with great approbation and increased its usual grant The Union Steamship to the crew for the destruction of the mine. Company was also written to and informed that the naval authority considered that Captain J. Rankine had shown considerable resource in the matter. In the northern field one mine went ashore as Russell, two on the west coast, and one on the Great Barrier. HELPED EY CHARTS. When the Armistice was signed a naval condition was that Germany should supply charts of all minefields laid during war-time and though the minefields had been reported clear in July, 1919, the Admiralty sent out sweepers to New Zealand, as they did everywhere else. These vessels were the Marguerite, the Geranium and the Mellow and they swept over the whole area twice and failed to find any mines. The Germans had sown tens of thousands of mines during the war years, and the same safety procedure was followed everywhere. Thus it will be seen that a number of mines have never been located, but the Navy Office announces that the time which has elapsed since the Wolf set the mines afloat is sufficient to justify the belief that they have perished, or else have drifted ashore on obscure beaches long ago. In the event of another such occurrence the Dominion will not The Wakakura, which has been purchased for the New be unprepared. Zealand navy, and which is to be used as a training ship in mine sweeping is now on her way to the country. --------
a Telegrsphie Addrese: Auswarmuse. COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA. a TELETNONE NOS IS5 4. HOME AND TERRITORIES DEPARTMENT. IN REPLV FLEASE QUOTE AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL. wo.2/4/170. EXHIBITION BUILDINGS, MELBOURNE. 21st January, 1927. Dear Mr. Bazley, Recently we asked Colonel Hughes to make some enquiries into the possibility of obtaining relics of the A.E.2., as we understood that salvage operations were being conducted at the Dardanelles, He found it necessary to write to Admiral Sir Roger Keyes and forwarded to me a copy of his reply. In this the Admiral stated "......there were no Australians in A.E.2., although the submarine belonged to the Royal Australian Nav, She went out to Australia with a Royal Navy crew while I was Commodore of the Submarine Service....... For various reasons I thought that the statment that there were no Australians in the A.E.2, was incorrect, although I realised that the members of ths ship's company now in Australia may have taken up their residence here since the war, To make certain however I wrote to Commander Haggard. In his reply Commander Haggard stated that 40% of the crew consisted of Australians, From memory he stated that the proportion was ten Australians to twelve R.N. Ratings, and added that the Australians were specially picked young seamen and stokers who were in England for some time previous to the commissioning of the A,E.2, and received a full submarine training at the Submarine Depot in Portsmouth, My reason for mentioning this to you is that the fact a highly placed R.N, officer such as Sir Roger Keyes, is under a misapprehension as to the extent to which the submarines were manned by Australians, suggests that this is a detail which might be mentione in the history, I realise however that it hastd aalreazy deen adequately noted. The information supplied: by Commander Haggard is sufficient for the purpose which I at present have in mind If however it would be of any interest to you to have exact details I will write to the Navy Office and get a statement showing how many of the crews of the A.E. 1 and 2 were R.A.N. Ratings. S Yours sincerely, 109/2 " Eng. /0 Official Historian, Victoria Barracks, ULDUTI.
Extract from The Times. Monday, Sept. 21, 1914. AUSTRALIAN NAVY LOSS. Submarine A.E.1. SUNK. Two Officers & Thirty-two Men on Board. The following communication was issued from the Admiralty yesterday morning:- The Secretary of the Admiralty regrets to state that, according that, according to a telegraphic communication received from the Commonwealth Naval Board of Administration, Melbourne, the following officers, petty officers, and men were members of the crew of H.M. Australian Submarine A.E.1. which is reported lost:- Besant, Thomas F., Lieutenant Commander. Scarlett, Hon. Leopold F., Lieutenant R.N. Barton, Sidney Charles, Leading Stoker 309518. Dance, George, Signalman. 230063. Dennis, Frederick George, Able Seaman 220438. Gough, Henry Joseph, Stoker lst Class 204767 Guilbert, Thomas Martin, Petty Officer, 208663. Guild, James, Stoker lst Class 302880. Guy, William Elliott, Leading Stoker 290601. Hodge, Henry, Petty Officer 196497. Hodgkin, George, Able Seaman. 226508. Lowe, Thomas Frederick, Chief E.R.A. 2nd Class. 271421. Marsland, John Albert, E.R.A. 1st Class. 270573. Meek, John, Acting Leading Stoker, 218676. Stretch, Harry, Chief Stoker. 278358. Tribe, William, Petty Officer. 191329. Wilson, Joseph William, Chief E.R.A. 2nd Class. 270296. Woodland, Frederick Wm., Able Seaman 208916. R.F.R. Portsmouth B5589. In addition to the foregoing the following ratings of the Royal . Australian Navy are also reported to have been on board:- Baker, Cyril, Telegraphist (?) Blake, Ernest, Stoker lst Class. Bray, John, Stoker lst Class. Corbould, Gordon, Leading Seaman. Fettes, James, E.R.A. Fisher, Arthur Henry, Able Seaman (?) Holt, Richard Baines, Stoker lst Class. Jarman, Jack, Able Seaman. Maloney, John, Stoker Petty Officer. Messenger, John, E.R.A. Reardon, John, Able Seaman. Small, Robert, Petty Officer. Thomas, James Benjamin, A.B. Waddilove, William, Stoker Petty Officer. Wilson, Pertry, Stoker lst Class. Wright, Charles Frederick, Stoker Petty Officer. Lieutenant Commander Thomas Fleming Besant entered the Navy as a cadet in January, 1900, and attained the rank of a Lieutenant in 1905 and that of Lieutenant Commander in December last. He was appointed to the command of Submarine A.E.1. in September last. Lieutenant the Hon. Leopold Florence Scarlett, R.N. brother of Lord Abinger, was born on March 17, 1889, as the sixth and posthumous son of the late Lieutenant Colonel Leopold J.Y.C. Scarlett, Scots Guards. One of his brothers, the Hon. Lawrence J.P? Scarlett, R.N. WAS LOst while serving on H.M.S. Victoria in 1893. REAR ADMIRAL PATEY'S REPORT Melbourne. Sept. 19. Rear Admiral Sir George Patey reports that 35 officers and men were on board the submarine. She was last seen in the afternoon of the l4th returning from patrol work. No wreckage has been seen and it is supposed that the disasterwas the result of an accident.-Reuter.
2. THE BOAT'S VOYAGE TO SYDNEY. The A.E.l. and her sister boat the A.E.2. the first two submerines of the Royal Australian Navy, were built at Barrow by Messrs Vickers last year. It will be remembered that in the earlier part of the present year both boats made the voyage of about 12,500 miles from this country to Australia under their own power, the longest journey ever undertaken by this class of vessel. The A.E.1. which was launched at Barrow on May 22, 1913, had a length of 176 ft., with a beam of 22ft. 6in., her displacement when submerged being about 800 tons. The propelling machinery consisted of two sets of the Vickers heavy oil engines, each capable of developing over 800bh.p. According to the design these gave a surface speed of 15 knots. The A.E.1. was armed and fitted with a number of tubes for launching the latest Whitehead 2lin. torpedoes. She left Portsmouth on March 2, with a crew of 29, including nine Australians, under Lieutenant Besant, and on the way to Sydney called at various ports. Sydney was reached on May 24.
AMM No. 7/4/170. xxxxxxxxxx F. 4151 1698. 27 January 1927. Dear Mr. Treloar, Meny thanks for your lotter of January 21 relating Kr. Bean is vory glad to the ststement of Admirol Kayes. thet you brought the matter to his notico, and he cill certainly include - if Mr. Joso has not already done so - a note in Volume IX showing the respective strengths of R.N. and R.A.N. nersommal in the Australian suhmarines. As wo af now preparing a list of questions for the Navy Office to answer, we shall nod this one to it. Admiral Kayes' view is undoubtedly a mistakon one. For exomple, I havo bofore mo an extract from the London Timas concerning the loss of tho AEl, in which tho names of This list the A.N. and R.A.N. mombers aro given separotely. shove that sixteen ratings, out of a total of 2 officers and Recounting tho AEl's maide 32 men, belonged to the N.A.N. voyngo from England to Australia, Tho Timeg goes on 6o oay: "She left Portsmouth.... with a crewor 29, including 9 Australians ..... Yours sincorely. AU Nr. J.L. Treloar Australian Wer Moporial, Box 214D, C.P.O., Helbuurnd.

EXTRACT FROM WARNING FORM "B'
ISSUED TO CAPTAIN H.J. KELL, MASTER OF S.S, "WIMMERA",
BY CAPTAIN F.H.C. BROWNLOW, R.A.N., DISTRICT NAVAL OFFICER,
SYDNEY, on 17th JUNE 1918 :-
TRADE ROUTES DURING WAR - SPECIAL COURSE FORM.
The Master of the S.S. "WIMMERA" on his voyage from Sydney to
Auckland leaving Sydney at p.m. on the 17th instant will adopt
the following route at a speed of 13 knots. He expects to
arrive at Auckland about a.m. on the 21st June 1918.
To NEW ZEALAND: Leave Sydney at right angles to Coast and keep
outside the 130 Fathom Line wherever possible on any Coast.
FOR WELLINGTON and THROUGH COOK STRAIT:- Keep. 30 miles clear
of West Haven Inlet and Cape Farewell Spit.
FOR AUCKLAND AND PORTS ON EAST COAST:- Keep to Northward of
Three King Island and keep outside the 130 Fathom line and not
to approach within 30 miles of Great Barrier Island except in
daylight and then keep close watch for Floating Mines.
(Original to be signed by the Master and retained by D.N.O.)
Date. 17th June 1918. (sgd) H.J. KELL.
Master S.S. "WIMMERA".
Deaprtment of the Navy,
MELBOURNE, 15th July 1916.
SENIOR NAVAL OFFICER, WELLINGTON, reports on 26/6/1918, that
"WIMMERA" sunk by mine 5-15 a.m. Wednesday 26th Hopper Point,
bearing S.E. half East magnetic 24 1/2 miles.
According to calculations in Hydrographic Branch (21/10/26)
the "WIMMERA", when struck by mine, was several miles within the
130 fathom line.
"WIMMERA" was on the return journey to Sydney and would have been
in possession of Route Orders issued by the New Zealand Naval.
These would, however, be in agreement with those issued at Sydney.
As "WIMMERA" was sunk in the New Zealand area all investigations
as to her being inside prohibited areas were carried out by the
New Zealand Naval Authorities.
 

 

Sec/VW.
October, 1926.
Dear Macandie,
Could you please supply any documents
which would enable Bean to check the following paragraphs
in Jose's Volume:-
P.10. "Furthermore it must be here emphasised that
neither the Cumberland nor the Wimmera would
have been lost if their masters had obeyed
orders and not taken short cuts through
prohibited areas."
In relation to the wireless messages, sent
by the Matunga to Rabaul, which led to the
steamer's capture:
P.11. "Donaldson broke the regulation and doubled the
risks by sending a second (message) to the same
station at 9 a.m. on the 30th."
P.15. "About the 15th (August, 1917) the possibility
of raider action began to dawn on the searchers,
and attention was called by the Director of the
Radio Service to Donaldson's fatal message of
the 29th of July - especially to his unauthorised
use of the vessel's call-sign;"
Yours faithfully,
Loar.
G.L. Macandie Esq.,
NAVAL BOARD. 

 

F2597
2698
TELEPHONE Nos.
CENT. 297
298
COMMUNICATIONS TO BE ADDRESSED TO
"THE DIRECTOR"
IN REPLY PLEASE QUOTE
NO 12/5/126
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.
HOME AND TERRITORIES DEPARTMENT.
TELEGRAPHIC ADDRESS
"AUSWARMUSE"
AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL.
EXHIBITION BUILDINGS, MELBOURNE.
6th December, 1926.
Dear Mr. Bazley,
In the Sydney "Bulletin" of 12th August we
noticed a paragraph in which it was stated ^[[?ated?]] that a statement
describing the mine-laying activities of the German raider
"Wolf" in New Zealand waters had been released by the
Minister for Defence.
We asked the New Zealand Government Agent
to obtain a copy for us. This we have just received in
duplicate. I am sending a copy herewith as it may be of
interest to you in connection with the Naval Volume. As
we have the original copy, the duplicate sent herewith
may be treated by you as a spare.
Yours sincerely,
JL Treloar
Mr. A. W. Bazley,
C/o. Official Historian
Victoria Barracks,
SYDNEY. N.S.W.
 

 

COPY.
Minister's Office
Defence Department, Wellington.
12th November, 1926.
MEMORANDUM for :-
Agent for New Zealand Government,
59 William Street,
MELBOURNE.
Referring to your letter of the 4th October last,
I forward herewith for transmission to Major J. L. Treloar,
Director ofthe Australian War Memorial, two typewritten copies
of an article which appeared in the New Zealand "Times" of 20th
July, 1926, on the subject of the operations of the German
raider "Wolf".
It should be explained that the article in question
was written up by a local journalist and is official only to
the extent that the data on which the article is based was
supplied by the Navy Office. Actually, the whole of the
information in the article had appeared in the press a few
year before at different times, but no comprehensive statement
on the subject had appeared previously, and that is all that is
meant by the full statement that "the full story --- has just
been released by the Minister of Defence".
(Sgd.) F. D. Rolleston.
Minister of Defence.
 

 

EXTRACT FROM THE "NEW ZEALAND TIMES" 20/7/1926.
THE FLOATING DEATH
MINEFIELDS ROUND DOMINION
STORY OF RAIDER'S WAR-TIME SOWING
SEEDS OF DESTRUCTION.
From Germany, through well-policed waters there came in 1916 a mystery
ship on an errand of destruction. She was on a world-wide cruise and her
sailing meant the loss of ships and lives to New Zealand.
A few days ago, in a speech made in London, Sir James Allen referred
to a minefield laid in Cook Strait by a war-time raider. The raider was
the notorious Wolf and the full story of her war-time activities has just
been released by the Minister of Defence (Hon. F.J.Rolleston).
The Wolf laid some sixty mines round the New Zealand coast in two line
north and south, off Cape Maria Van Diemen and the western entrance to Cook
Strait. The object, of course, was to catch traffic from and to Australia
and the two fields were spread as far out as possible.
The German raider came out from the North Sea round the Cape of Good
Hope, then to Ceylon and India, capturing another vessel and setting her
off in turn as a mine-layer and then passing through Bass Strait, south of
Australia, up towards the centre of the Pacific. Finally, she came down
towards New Zealand, where she brought two minefields into being.
There were about 25 mines in the northern field and some 35 in the
southern one.
In the field off Maria Van Diemen the C. and D. liner Port Kembla and
the small coastal ship Kerrima were sunk, while the Wimmera struck two
mines and went down with heavy loss of life. Both north and south the
Navy soon commenced operations to attempt to clear the trade routes from
danger and three small steamers were converted into mine-sweepers.
These were the Nora Niven, which was brought down from Napier, and the
Simplom, which now acts as a tug in Auckland. Later they were joined by
the Mananui. The task was dangerous, as will be realised when it is
known that the Admiralty lost something like 250 sweepers in the North Sea
alone during the war.
TIDES AND WINDS.
In the northern minefield the sweepers caught 11 mines, in the
southern 9 mines. The hunt for the mines was helped by the fact that
effective minelaying is restricted to a depth of 100 fathoms, for in water
over 200 feet deep it is impossible to be sure that mines will hold their
places, and the Germans knew this. It did not affect them near at home,
for the whole of the North Sea is of a depth less than 200 feet.
But round the New Zealand coast was another matter, and the sweepers were
aided by the knowledge of this fact. Still, a good number of the mines
were not located, but the tides and winds were with the searchers.
During 1918 an increasing number of mines were reported to be washed
ashore. Two were found in Queen Charlotte Sound, one near Foxton, one
between Cape Farewell and West Haven Inlet, one at Otaki, and others six
miles north of Manawatu, off Rangitikei beach, at Manawatu, 17 miles from
Bulls, and at Truarangi Point, which killed three Maoris. This
represented the "bag" of 1918. In 1919 others were found on Olansu [*?]
beach, near the Ohau River, near Tory Channel, and at Manakau.
Two blew up in the minefield, one was sunk by rifle-fire from the
Waimea - in these days all small coasting vessels were provided with a
rifle and ammunition for the purpose of sinking mines - one was seen to
blow up on a reef, one was exploded at Awahio, one was sunk by the
Waverley 15 miles from Patea, one was heard to explode from Chariou, and
one was towed into Wellington and sunk in deep water.
The.....
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The vessel which did this was the Kamona, which encountered the mine
in a smooth sea just as the light was failing. The Navy Office
viewed this feat with great approbation and increased its usual grant
to the crew for the destruction of the mine. The Union Steamship
Company was also written to and informed that the naval authority
considered that Captain J. Rankine had shown considerable resource in
the matter.
In the northern field one mine went ashore as Russell, two on
the west coast, and one on the Great Barrier.
HELPED BY CHARTS.
When the Armistice was signed a naval condition was that
Germany should supply charts of all minefields laid during war-time and
though the minefields had been reported clear in July, 1919, the
Admiralty sent out sweepers to New Zealand, as they did everywhere else.
These vessels were the Marguerite, the Geranium and the Mellow and
they swept over the whole area twice and failed to find any mines.
The Germans had sown tens of thousands of mines during the war years,
and the same safety procedure was followed everywhere.
Thus it will be seen that a number of mines have never been
located, but the Navy Office announces that the time which has elapsed
since the Wolf set the mines afloat is sufficient to justify the belief
that they have perished, or else have drifted ashore on obscure beaches
long ago.
In the event of another such occurrence the Dominion will not
be unprepared. The Wakakura, which has been purchased for the New
Zealand navy, and which is to be used as a training ship in mine
sweeping is now on her way to the country.
 

 

Telegraphic Address:
"Auswarmuse."
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.
TELEPHONE Nos. F2597.
F2598.
IN REPLY PLEASE QUOTE
NO 7/4/170.
HOME AND TERRITORIES DEPARTMENT.
AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL.
EXHIBITION BUILDINGS,
MELBOURNE.
21st January, 1927.
Dear Mr. Bazley,
Recently we asked Colonel Hughes to make
some enquiries into the possibility of obtaining
relics of the A.E.2., as we understood that salvage
operations were being conducted at the Dardanelles,
He found it necessary to write to Admiral Sir Roger
Keyes and forwarded to me a copy of his reply. In
this the Admiral stated "......there were no
Australians in A.E.2., although the submarine
belonged to the Royal Australian Navy. She went
out to Australia with a Royal Navy crew while I was
Commodore of the Submarine Service.....".
For various reasons I thought that the
statment that there were no Australians in the A.E.2,
was incorrect, although I realised that the members of
the ship's company now in Australia may have taken up
their residence here since the war. To make certain
however I wrote to Commander Haggard.
In his reply Commander Haggard stated that
40% of the crew consisted of Australians. From memory
he stated that the proportion was ten Australians to
twelve R.N. Ratings, and added that the Australians
were specially picked young seamen and stokers who were
in England for some time previous to the commissioning
of the A.E.2, and received a full submarine training at
the Submarine Depot in Portsmouth.
My reason for mentioning this to you is that
the fact a highly placed R.N. officer such as Sir Roger
Keyes, is under a misapprehension as to the extent to
which the submarines were manned by Australians, suggests
that this is a detail which might be mentioned in the 
history. I realise however that it has xxxx probably already been
adequately noted.
The information supplied by Commander Haggard
is sufficient for the purpose which I at present have in
mind. If however it would be of any interest to you
to have exact details I will write to the Navy Office and
get a statement showing how many of the crews of the A.E. 1
and 2 were R.A.N. Ratings.
Yours sincerely,
JL Treloar
[*Answered 
27/1/27
AWB*]
Mr. A. W. Bazley,
C/o Official Historian,
Victoria Barracks,
SYDNEY.
 

 

Extract from The Times. Monday, Sept. 21, 1914.
AUSTRALIAN NAVY LOSS.
Submarine A.E.1. SUNK.
Two Officers & Thirty-two Men on Board.
The following communication was issued from the Admiralty yesterday
morning:-
The Secretary of the Admiralty regrets to state that, according
that, according to a telegraphic communication received from the
Commonwealth Naval Board of Administration, Melbourne, the following
officers, petty officers, and men were members of the crew of H.M.
Australian Submarine A.E.1. which is reported lost:-
Besant, Thomas F., Lieutenant Commander.
Scarlett, Hon. Leopold F., Lieutenant R.N.
Barton, Sidney Charles, Leading Stoker 309518.
Dance, George, Signalman. 230063.
Dennis, Frederick George, Able Seaman 220438.
Gough, Henry Joseph, Stoker 1st Class 204767
Guilbert, Thomas Martin, Petty Officer, 208663.
Guild, James, Stoker 1st Class 302880.
Guy, William Elliott, Leading Stoker 290601.
Hodge, Henry, Petty Officer 196497.
Hodgkin, George, Able Seaman. 226508.
Lowe, Thomas Frederick, Chief E.R.A. 2nd Class. 271421.
Marsland, John Albert, E.R.A. 1st Class. 270573.
Meek, John, Acting Leading Stoker, 218676.
Stretch, Harry, Chief Stoker. 278358.
Tribe, William, Petty Officer. 191329.
Wilson, Joseph William, Chief E.R.A. 2nd Class. 270296.
Woodland, Frederick Wm., Able Seaman 208916. R.F.R. Portsmouth
B5589.
In addition to the foregoing the following ratings of the Royal
Australian Navy are also reported to have been on board:-
Baker, Cyril, Telegraphist (?)
Blake, Ernest, Stoker 1st Class.
Bray, John, Stoker 1st Class.
Corbould, Gordon, Leading Seaman.
Fettes, James, E.R.A.
Fisher, Arthur Henry, Able Seaman (?)
Holt, Richard Baines, Stoker 1st Class.
Jarman, Jack, Able Seaman.
Maloney, John, Stoker Petty Officer.
Messenger, John, E.R.A.
Reardon, John, Able Seaman.
Small, Robert, Petty Officer.
Thomas, James Benjamin, A.B.
Waddilove, William, Stoker Petty Officer.
Wilson, Pertry, Stoker 1st Class.
Wright, Charles Frederick, Stoker Petty Officer.
Lieutenant Commander Thomas Fleming Besant entered the Navy as a
cadet in January, 1900, and attained the rank of a Lieutenant in 1905
and that of Lieutenant Commander in December last. He was appointed
to the command of Submarine A.E.1. in September last.
Lieutenant the Hon. Leopold Florence Scarlett, R.N. brother of
Lord Abinger, was born on March 17, 1889, as the sixth and
posthumous son of the late Lieutenant Colonel Leopold J.Y.C. Scarlett,
Scots Guards. One of his brothers, the Hon. Lawrence J.P? Scarlett,
R.N. WAS LOst while serving on H.M.S. Victoria in 1893.
REAR ADMIRAL PATEY'S REPORT
Melbourne. Sept. 19.
Rear Admiral Sir George Patey reports that 35 officers and men were
on board the submarine.
She was last seen in the afternoon of the 14th returning from patrol
work.
No wreckage has been seen and it is supposed that the disasterwas the
result of an accident.-Reuter.
 

 

2.

THE BOAT'S VOYAGE TO SYDNEY.
The A.E.1. and her sister boat the A.E.2. the first two submarines of
the Royal Australian Navy, were built at Barrow by Messrs Vickers last
year. It will be remembered that in the earlier part of the present
year both boats made the voyage of about 12,500 miles from this
country to Australia under their own power, the longest journey ever
undertaken by this class of vessel. The A.E.1. which was launched
at Barrow on May 22, 1913, had a length of 176 ft., with a beam of
22ft. 6in., her displacement when submerged being about 800 tons. The
propelling machinery consisted of two sets of the Vickers heavy oil
engines, each capable of developing over 800b.h.p. According to the
design these gave a surface speed of 15 knots. The A.E.1. was armed
and fitted with a number of tubes for launching the latest Whitehead
21in. torpedoes. She left Portsmouth on March 2, with a crew of 29,
including nine Australians, under Lieutenant Besant, and on the way
to Sydney called at various ports. Sydney was reached on May 24.
 

 

AMM No. 7/4/170.
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F. 4151
1698.
27 January 1927.
Dear Mr. Treloar,
Many thanks for your letter of January 21 relating
to the statement of Admiral Keyes. Mr. Bean is very glad
that you brought the matter to his notice, and he will
certainly include - if Mr. Jose has not already done so - a
note in Volume IX showing the respective strengths of R.N.
and R.A.N. personnel in the Australian submarines. As we are
now preparing a list of questions for the Navy Office to
answer, we shall add this one to it.
Admiral Keyes' view is undoubtedly a mistaken one.
For example, I have before me an extract from the London
Times concerning the loss of the AE1, in which the names of
the R.N. and R.A.N. members are given separately. This list
shows that sixteen ratings, out of a total of 2 officers and
32 men, belonged to the R.A.N. Recounting the AE1's maiden
voyage from England to Australia, The Times goes on to say:
"She left Portsmouth.... with a crew of 29, including 9
Australians ....."
Yours sincerely.
AWB
Mr. J.L. Treloar
Australian War Memorial,
Box 214D, G.P.O.,
Melbourne. 

 
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