Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/264/1 - 1914 - 1938 - Part 7

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First World War, 1914–18
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to in old Admat sestroyes man unless it is too late should be of help. Symonds here has his own expeniences has written to Iman another one on - tie subject. I have see on gnery about Command etc in North Sea to Captain Cay ley
16 Boy Bandon not morie The Torrens in company with other Beshroyers was charng some Bistrian Bestroyers. The Forecastle A Senn-Antomabic Crun was in action and tre CTuns Crew Shipped to the waist were engeged in laford frie. The Breechwarker accidentally received the recore of the Crun full in the face which hurled him bleeding, senseless and apparently dead face downwards on without a moment the deck. Boy hesitation B Brandon, a newl joined from 44n a S Tingiri turned him over, Umbrickled his Tube Belt buckled it on himself, and took his place as breech worker, where he continued for the rest of the chase
Hma.S Tingira Mar 29th Dear Bean. I enclose some material which I trust may be of value (1) Information obtained from Archives at Navy Office. Captain Cayley's Comment on this is as follows:- I agree that Melbmine & "Sydney would probabe have gone to 2nd L.C.S even if Falmonth & Nottingham" had not been torpedoed This was not my personal view – which it seems is incorrect (27 Some notes obtained from pient Hannon of HmaS Platyfous re Bustralian Destroyers (3) Some comments on Sydney - Enden notes you sent one rcent
with best wishes Yours Sincerel
The statement contained in the Note accredited to Captain Jose is not correct as a matter of fact. The Admiral Commanding the Australian Flect did not, as a matter of fact always fear his Flag in the AUSTRALLA. The correct chronology is as foll- OWS. (a) Admiral KXYM Patey was, at the outbreak of war in August 1914, In command of the Australian Fleet on the Australian Station, wearing his Flag in the AUSTRALLA After the arrival of the AUSTRALLA in the North Sea (D) she was made Flag Ship of the 2nd Battle Cruiser Squadro and Vice Admiral Patey was appointed, on 8th February 1915, as Vice Admiral Commanding 2nd Battle Cruiser Squadren and Vice Admiral Commanding Australlan Flect. (c) On 7th March 1916, Admiral Pakenham was appointed as Rear Admiral Commanding 2nd Battle Cruiser Squadron. (but not Commanding Australian Fleet), and hoisted his Flag in the AUSTRALIA On the same day (7th March 1915) Vice Admiral Patey was (2) appointed Commander-innChief, North America and West Indies and Vice Admiral Commanding H.M.A. Elect, and wore his Fiag in the TEVLATHAN. The MELBOURNE and SYDNEY being attached to the North America and West Indies Squadron. On 23rd September 1916 Vice Admiral Patey hauled down (0) his Flag as C-in-C N.A.& W.I and V.A.C.A.F. At the same time MELBOURNE and SYDNEY were transferred to the 2nd Light Cruiser Squadron (Grand Fleet). (F) On the same day (W3rd September 1916) Admiral Pakenham, then in AUSTRALLA as R.A.C.2 B.C.S. was re-appointed as R.A.C.2 B.C.S. and Rear Admiral Commanding Australian Fleet, vice Patey. On 10th January 1917, Rear Admiral Leveson supersedea (8) Admiral Faxennam (same appointnent, On 4th September 1918 Rear Admiral Lionel Halsey (A) superseded Admiral Leveson (same appointment), and hend that appointment until the end of the War or rather until H.M.A. Ships left the Grand Fleet in March 1919 to return to Australia. In regard to (e) and (f), the following is an extract from Admiralty Letter dated 8th August 1916, regarding the transfer Of MELBOURNE" and SYDNEY from the North Anerica Station to the Grand Fleet:- Esteps are being taken to place the MELBOURNE" and SYDNEY in a Light Cruiser Squadron which is in immediate admin- istrative relation in the Grand Fleet organisation to "Admiral Pakenham’s command.) It will be seen from the above that although eventually Admiral Pakenham became the Rear Admiral Commanding Australian Fleet, he did not hold that appointment between 7th March 1915 and 32nd September 1916 (18 months) and during this time the Admiral Commanding the Australian Fleet (Admiral Patey) was in the LEVLATHAN with MELBOURNE and SYDNEY under his orders, and during the same period the AUSTRALLA was not the FlagShip of the R.A.C.A.F.
C. Ambation Destoryers Morments in haditeoanon August 1914. Arived in Porst faid & proceeded on exeort dutyy convoying Frunch Ships to Malte Convoy attacked one day out from Malta, by 2003 submasines, attack beaten off, no camathes Early in Sept 1917. heft thatte to carry out Toopde running in Corfe, fwan Eighted & attacked Submaning by Cunfive off intrance to Cosfur- Iubmaoine dived after 1st Salos (4 mils off) & excaped. Iidleaf tep Arrived in Brindin (Staty) & started the protecting barrage acvore the Stoaits of Otoranto (Adviatio) protecin a line of Baithal tooifters with nets for Submarineg spirating in trants 3. Destrayers on patool at a time for 4 days, then 4 days in Brindin remained on barrage alone until March 1915, were then anyomented by t Cotitlan of Brithat Destooyers (40). Duving fenod Septin to March 18 Austoation Destorers had derons s toaff & hunt Samat Him Sudmarines with varying successis, early part of the barrange had a submarine share every patool bu towards end sighted very few. June 195h. Byg action on baooage, appoox. 30. Anstorin bight Comsers? (of 16 teertrager Destrogers attacked the patoo you baroage at buidnight simply steamed down to the patrol fired & few t. Salovs then twrned at full speed for home (Cattaro- Albania, I. Brithish bestroyess weve badly damaged, One Anstoran fight Crmocs & one Destroyes were badly in five but apporently got back safely to their base. Toovens Austation T.B.D. took part in this action & was specially mentions for good shooting although her lack of spd prevented her following it up to advantage. 0 July 192 Bombardment of Dunatzo (albanian cast) by 2 Station Bathleo 3. Boithish Light Comisirs & 47 Boithok, Anstration & Frunh Westongrs combined. Swan & wardys weve the Anstration Distrogers in this astio & were well in the hinlight. Borthat light Crises Weymorth
II was tofectonts S Ey Hom Fubmaving in this action, but enanaged to get back safely under escot to poindisi. et Destayers teft Bonndin borrage &weere split up for Convoy work in various parts of Meditiranian, Swan went from Poot said to Salonika exeuting Indian troops in company with Fopeneve Destoyers, on way to falonika, Iwan resened 2 Boenh Aromen who had crashed in Seaplans (Flying from Poot find to hundra) they had been in water 36 hours hanging on to Floats of feaplane & ware nearly exhansted i her pucked up. Back to Alexandira & foom the with more troopli to kundoas & so on until admistice Iwan left Port baid On Admistice way & proceeded up Dandenelles to Constantinople with head Officials form Bortish & Greek Army with their Staff. All anstralion T.B.D. Jound up with Allid Flet proceeded through Boaophorns & on to Hebartapool (and of Nov. 1918) helped to take over the Russion Black fea Fleet there which (including City) was held by the Geomans The Destoryer were then detaited for various convy pobs about the Black Sea wh Aarg8 Iwar was detailed for a special cmssion, in company with French Bestrayer Bisson & proceeded up the sis of agow, to the Dan borsack conbay - visited Rertch (entrance to fee of Ayer) & Mariopoot a big port in the Tea of Aygor - held by the Corracks. farn remained there 14days + while there, Captain of Lwan & Bisson & a few Officers foom each Destroyerk toavelley up + insprted the solumterr Domy fiving bines that were holding up the Bolshiviks - they patheed cartain information there & also about Mariopool regarding state of the country eto - fwon Bioson then returniss to Lobartapoot & helped puard railway station at the top of valley of Iukesman which the Bolshinks were trying to contr tonpfenent petieng to Cnste hisfe, then whrd & ctale of Andeten entoren. procuded to Expland via Malte & Gibalter.
TELEPHONE NOS. TELEGRAPHIC ADDRESS COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA. :2337 AUSWARMUSE. F 2598. HOME AND TERRITORIES DEPARTMENT. COMMURICATIONS TO DE AODRESSED TO THE DIRECTOR IN REPLY PLRASE CUOTE AUSTRALLAN WAR MEMORIAL. No. EXHIBITION SUILDINGS. MELBOURNE. 12th Ma r c h, 1927. Dear Mr. Bazley, 1 am sending herewith some notes made after a conversation yesterday with Mr. J. W. Seabrook who, as you D know, served as a Leading-Signalman on H.M.A.S. Sydney during the larger part of the war years. It occurred to me that the statements might be of interest in connection with 1 the Naval Volume of the History. 1 think it would probably be advisable to confirm the statements. Commander Garsia would probably be at able to do this. The note regarding the conduct of the Boys during the Sydneyt Emden action seems to be worth investigating. You may already have a lot of information about this, but, 1f not, 1 think 1 will make further enquiries. I t seems to me that their action would be an excellent subject for a picture. Yours sincerely, seceor Mr. A. V. Bazley CJo. Official Historian, Victoria Barracks S y dn e y. I hope so get some more human notes from Seabrook re events on bridge when Lydney was in action with bniden & with Zeph. Will send them when received
RanNRERE 5.415l. 1 1873. ad March 1937. Comnandor R.C. Garsia, R.A.N., HoRe A.S. PingIFe Br Doar Gersin, I heve receive: from the Mrector of the sustrelian vor Kemrial the sttached notes converning Zinging boys and the Sydngy. Dhien Fight. The lnst ane wll amse you, out needless to say will not be mode use of. At the Director's suggestion I am sub- mitting them to yeu just for contirnation os far as you can endorse them, or otherwice, offhend, and should be glad if you wuld post then back to me after perusal, with any conmants. The anme men also gavs a highly interesting account of the Sydnanls fight with the Garman Zeppelin 143. He said that he was on tm bridge with Captain Dnaress, and hard the orders given during the Hights and that Dusresg deliberately stesmed ever the point shere the first tm bombs were dropped, but then proided the pestion of the third bomb, guessing that the Zeppelin commnder would expect Mm to stew over thet. te also said that there was a notion of begging this Zappelin by placing ships et verion bearings to her. Do you think this account is accuretof Yours sinserely, C.E.W. BEAN
12/12/15 1 Cest. Dir Meaical

is an old Adriatic
Destroyer man, &
unless it is too late
should be of help.
Symonds here, has
his own experiences &
has written to Hannan
another one, on the

subject.
I have sent your
query about command
etc in North Sea to
Captain Cayley.

 

Boy Brandon not Morie
"The Torrens in company with
other Destroyers was chasing some
Austrian Destroyers. The Forecastle
4" Semi-Automatic Gun was in
action and the Guns Crew stripped
to the waist were engaged in rapid
fire. The Breechworker
accidentally received the recoil of
the Gun full in the face which
hurled him, bleeding, senseless and
apparently dead face downwards on
the deck.  Without a moments
hesitation Boy Brandon, a ^Boy newly
joined from HMAS Tingira, turned
him over, unbuckled his Tube Belt,
buckled it on himself, and took
his place as breech worker, where
he continued for the rest of the chase.

 

H.M.A.S. Tingira
Mar 29th
Dear Bean.
I enclose some material which
I trust may be of value.
(1) Information obtained from Archives
at Navy Office.  Captain Cayley's comment
on the this is as follows:- "I agree that
"Melbourne" & "Sydney" would probably
have gone to 2nd L.C.S even if "Falmouth"
& "Nottingham" had not been torpedoed."
[This was not my personal view - which it seems is incorrect]
(2) Some notes obtained from Lieut
Hannan of HMAS Platypus re Australian
Destroyers.
(3) Some comments on "Sydney - Emden"
notes you sent me recently.

 

with best wishes
Your sincerely
R.C. Garsia

 

The statement contained in the Note accredited to Captain
Jose is not correct as a matter of fact. The Admiral Commanding
the Australian Fleet did not, as a matter of fact always wear
his Flag in the "AUSTRALIA".  The correct chronology is as follows.
(a)  Admiral Faye Patey was, at the outbreak of war in
August 1914, in command of the Australian Fleet on the
Australian Station, wearing his Flag in the "AUSTRALIA"
(b) After the arrival of the "AUSTRALIA" in the North Sea
she was made Flag Ship of the 2nd Battle Cruiser Squadron
and Vice Admiral Patey was appointed, on 8th February
1915, as Vice Admiral Commanding 2nd Battle Cruiser
Squadron and Vice Admiral Commanding Australian Fleet.
(c) On 7th March 1915, Admiral Pakenham was appointed as
Rear Admiral Commanding 2nd Battle Cruiser Squadron,
(but not Commanding Australian Fleet), and hoisted his
Flag in the "AUSTRALIA'
(d) On the same day (7th March 1915) Vice Admiral Patey was
appointed Commander-in-Chief, North America and West
Indies and Vice Admiral Commanding H.M.A. Fleet, and
wore his Flag in the 'LEVIATHAN". The "MELBOURNE" and
"SYDNEY" being attached to the North America and West
Indies Squadron.
(e) On 23rd September 1916 Vice Admiral Patey hauled down
his Flag as C-in-C N.A. & W.I and V.A.C.A.F. At the same
time "MELBOURNE" and "SYDNEY" were transferred to the
2nd Light Cruiser Squadron(Grand Fleet).
(f) On the same day (23rd September 1916) Admiral Pakenham,
then in "AUSTRALIA" as R.A.C.2 B.C.S. was re-appointed
as R.A.C.2 B.C.S. and Rear Admiral Commanding Australian
Fleet, vice Patey.
(g) On 10th January 1917, Rear Admiral Leveson superseded
Admiral Pakenham (same appointment)
(h) On 4th September 1918 Rear Admiral Lionel Halsey
superseded Admiral Leveson (same appointment), and held
that appointment until the end of the War or rather
until H.M.A. Ships left the Grand Fleet in March 1919
to return to Australia.
In regard to (e) and (f), the following is an extract from 
Admiralty Letter date 8th August 1916, regarding the transfer
of "MELBOURNE" and "SYDNEY" from the North America Station to the
Grand Fleet:-
"Steps are being taken to place the "MELBOURNE" and "SYDNEY"
"in a Light Cruiser Squadron which is in immediate administrative

"relation in the Grand Fleet organisation to
"Admiral Pakenham's command."
It will be seen from the above that although eventually
Admiral Pakenham became the Rear Admiral Commanding Australian
Fleet, he did not hold that appointment between 7th March 1915
and 22nd September 1916 (18 months) and during this time the
Admiral Commanding the Australian Fleet (Admiral Patey) was
in the "LEVIATHAN" with "MELBOURNE" and "SYDNEY" under his
orders, and during the same period the "AUSTRALIA" was not
FlagShip of the R.A.C.A.F.

 

6. Australian Destroyers Movements in Mediterranean.
August 1917 Arrived in Port Said & proceeded on escort duty convoying
French Ships to Malta. Convoy attacked one day out from
Malta, but at by 2 or 3 submarines, attack beaten off, no casualties.
Early in Sept. 1917. Left Malta to carry out Torpedo running in Corfu, "Swan"
sighted & attacked submarines by gunfire off entrance to Corfu -
Submarine dived after 1st Salvo (40 miles off) & escaped.
Middle of Sept '17 Arrived in Brindisi (Italy) & started the protecting barrage
across the Straits of Otranto (Adriatic) protecting a line of
Brittish Drifters with nets for submarines operating in Straits.
3 Destroyers on patrol at a time for 4 days, then 4 days in Brindisi,
remained on barrage alone until March 1918, were then augmented
by Flotillas of Brittish Destroyers (40). During period Sept '17
to March '18 Australian Destroyers had numerous straffs & hunts
with germ against Hun submarines with varying successes, early part
of the barrage had a submarine chase every patrol, but
towards end sighted very few.
June 1918. Big action on barrage. approx 30 Austrian Light Cruisers &
Destroyers attacked the patrol ^(of 16 Destroyers) on barrage at midnight,
simply steamed down to the patrol fired & few xxxx. Salvos
then turned at full speed for home (Cattaro - Albania)
2 Brittish Destroyers were badly damaged, one Austrian
Light Cruiser & one Destroyer were badly on fire but
apparently got back safely to their base. "Torrens" Australian
T.B.D. took part in this action & was specially mentioned
for good shooting, although her lack of speed prevented her
following it up to advantage.
July 1918 6th Oct. 1918 Bombardment of Durratzo (Albanian coast) by 2 Italian battleships
3 Brittish Light Cruisers & 47 Brittish, Australian & French Destroyers
combined. "Swan" & "Warrego" were the Australian Destroyers in this action
& were well in the limelight. Brittish Light Cruiser "Weymouth"

 

[[?]] II was torpedoed by Hun submarine in this action, but managed to
get

back safely under escort to Brindisi..
1918 end of Sept
Destroyers left Brindisi barrage & were split up for
convoy work in various parts of Mediterranean. "Swan" went
from Port Said to Salonika escorting Indian troops in company
with Japanese Destroyers, on way to Salonika, "Swan" rescued
2 British Airmen who had crashed in Seaplane (Flying from Port
Said to Mudros) They had been in water 36 hours hanging
on to Floats of Seaplane & were nearly exhausted when
picked up. Back to Alexandria & from there, with more troopships
to Mudros & so on until Armistice. Swan left Port Said
on Armistice Day & proceeded up Dardenelles to Constantinople
with head Officials from British & Greek Army with their
staffs.
All Australian T.B.Ds. joined up with Allied Fleet & proceeded through
Bosphorus & on to Sebastapool, (end of Nov. 1918) & helped to take
over the Russian Black Sea Fleet there, which (including City)
was held by the Germans.
The Destroyers were then detailed for various convoy jobs about
the Black Sea.
"Swan" was detailed ^early Dec 1918 for a special mission, in company with French
Destroyer "Bisson" & proceeded up the Sea of Azov. to the Don
Cossack country - visited "Kertch" (entrance to Sea of Azov) &
'Mariupool' a big port in the Sea of Azov - held by the Cossacks -
Swan remained there 14 days & while there, Captains of Swan &
Bisson & a few Officers from each Destroyers travelled up &
inspected the volunteer Army firing lines that were holding up
the Bolsheviks - they gathered certain information there & also
about Mariupool regarding state of the country etc - Swan & Bisson
then returned to Sebastopool & helped guard railway station at the
top of "Valley of Inkerman" which the Bolsheviks were trying to control.
End of Dec 1918 Returned to Constantinople, then whole Flotilla of Australian Destroyers
proceeded to England via Malta & Gibraltar.

 

TELEPHONE Nos.
F 2597.
F2598.
COMMUNICATIONS TO BE ADDRESSED TO
"THE DIRECTOR."
IN REPLY PLEASE QUOTE
No...........
TELEGRAPHIC ADDRESS
"AUSWARMUSE."
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.
HOME AND TERRITORIES DEPARTMENT.
AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL,
EXHIBITION BUILDINGS, MELBOURNE.

12th M a r c h, 1927.
Dear Mr. Bazley,
I am sending herewith some notes made after
a conversation yesterday with Mr. J. W. Seabrook who, as you
know, served as a Leading-Signalman on H.M.A.S. "Sydney"
during the larger part of the war years. It occurred to me
that the statements might be of interest in connection with
the Naval Volume of the History.
I think it would be probably be advisable to
confirm the statements. Commander Garsia would probably be
able to do this.
The note regarding the conduct of the Boys 
during the "Sydney" - "Emden" action seems to be worth
investigating. You may already have a lot of information
about this, but, if not, I think I will make further
enquiries. It seems to me that their action would be an
excellent subject for a picture.
Yours sincerely,
J Treloar
[*Acknowledged
with many
thanks
for continued
assistance
CEWB*]
Mr. A.W. Bazley,
C/o. Official Historian,
Victoria Barracks,
S y d n e y.
I hope to get some more "human" notes

from Seabrook re events on bridge when Sydney
was in action with Emden & with Zepp. Will send
them when received.

 

xxxxxxxxxxx
F.4151.
1873.
24 March 1927,
Commander R.C. Garsia, R.A.N.,
H.M.A.S. Tingira,
Rose Bay.
Dear Garsia,
I have received from the Director of the Australian War
Memorial the attached notes concerning Tingira boys and the Sydney -
Emden fight. The last one will amuse you, but needless to say
will not be made use of. At the Director's suggestion I am submitting
them to you just for confirmation as far as you can endorse
them, or otherwise, offhand, and should be glad if you would post
them back to me after perusal, with any comments.
The same man also gave a highly interesting account of the
Sydney's fight with the German Zeppelin LA3. He said that he was
on the bridge with Captain Dumaresq, and heard the orders given
during the fight, and that Dumaresq deliberately steamed over the
point where the first two bombs were dropped, but then avoided the
position of the third bomb, guessing that the Zeppelin commander
would expect him to steam over that. He also said that there was

a notion of bagging this Zeppelin by placing ships at various
bearings to her. Do you think this account is accurate?
Yours sincerely,
C.E.W. BEAN

 

17/12/15
1st Aust. Div Medical

 

 

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