Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/264/1 - 1914 - 1938 - Part 17

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Box 204 Army Post Office S, 40 British Army of the Rhine, September 23rd 1927. My dear Bean, I received a letter from Stenger this morning which says: "I have just received the information required from the Reichsmarinearchiv. It certainly does not go very far into details;' the two auxiliary cruisers "Cormoran" and "Prinz Eitel Friedrich" never intended making a raid on Friedrich Wilhelmshafen. They had the express command to carry on cruiser warfare (Kreuzerkrieg) on the Australian coast and the whole interest of these ships turned solely round the question of coal, a question which was so dominating that ever military task went alteg ether into the background. The activities of the "Cormoran" therefore, on account of the lack of fuel were not great. The Chief of the archives adds that he is very willing at any time to answer questions from Bean which deal with naval warfare." Stenger regrets very much that he could not send me this letter a few days earlier, and I can see he fears that we may think the information given not altog ether as full as it might have been. I am writing now to Heyes so perhaps by the time you get this letter you will have already received the information in condensed form in a wire from him. Believe me, Yours sincerely, fjel.
TELEGRAPHIC ADORESS TELEPHONE Nos. COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA. "AUSWARMUSE. 2597. r zsee. CoMMUNICATON vo AS 'TNE DLREcToN." AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL, "They gave their lives. For that public gift they POST OFFICE BOX 214 D, IN RLPLY PLEASE OUOTE received a praise which never ages and a tomb most glorious –not so muuch the romub in EXHIBITION BUILDINCS, MELBOURNE. whch they He, but that in which their fame Wol 12/5/128 survives, to beremembered foreverwhenoccasion comes for word or deed .. . .. 4th November, 1927. Dear Bazley, German Auxiliary cruisers "Cormoran" and "Prinz Eitel Freidrick". -----..---.--- I enclose copy of a letter from Stenger a to Herbertson and from Herbertson to Heyes. Yours sincerely, Mr. A. W. Bazley, c/o Official Historian, Victoria Barracks, SYDNEY. N.S.W.
Copy. Dear Mr. Herbertson, I have just received the information required from the Reichsmarinearchiv. It certainly does not go very far into details:- "the two auxiliar cruisers "Cormoran" and "Prinz Eitel Friedrich" never intended making a raid against Friedrich Wilhelmshafen. They had the express command to carry on cruiser warfare Creuzerkrieg) on the Australian coast and the whole interest of these ships turned solely round the question of coal, a question which was so dominating that every military task went altogether into the background. The activities of the "Cormoran" therefore, on account of the lack of fuel, were not great. The Chief of the archives adds that he is very willing at any time to answer questions from Bean which deal with naval warfare. I only regret that I was not able to write this letter to you a few days earlier for then you could have at least sent off this extremely brief information within the time desired. But you know the reason of the In the hope of seeing you again soon, delay. With kindest regards, Yours sincerely, (Sgd) stenger.
Copy Box 204 Army Post Office S.40, British Army of the Rhine Sept. 23rd 1927. My dear Heyes, I received a letter from Stenger this morning of which I enclose a copy. I have just written to Bean and will express the letter in the hope that it may even yet catch a mail steamer perhaps at Marseilles and reach him by the end of October. I must confess I think the information is somewhat condensed but still if the ships had no coal, they certainly could not carry out any operations which would be of historical interest, could they? with kindest regards, Yours very sincerely, (Sgd) J.J.W. Herbertson. T. Heyes, Esq.
Copy Box 204, Army Post Office, S.40, British Army of the Rhine Sept. 22nd 1927. My dear Heyes, Thank you for your letter of the 20th September. had just dictated a letter to you when it arrived. I have no doubt I shall be able to get away to Berlin and secure the photos which are required. with regard to the history of the two German cruisers, I heard from Stenger who said that he had got into touch with the archivists of the Marinleitung and that he had been promised the information within the time required. Stenger now writes that most unfortunately the archivist who was entrusted with the search for this information has gone sick, and the work has thereby been delayed. Stenger is very upset at not being able to keep his promise and hopes that if it is found necessary to communicate with Bean with regard to the delay the reasons for it will be explained. I have written to Bean, but I am not sure if my letter will reach him by the end of October, so you might like to wire. No doubt you will agree with me that it will be as well for me to get the information Bean requires safely off to him before taking on the collection of the photographs at Berlin. Believe me, Yours very sincerely, (Sgd) J.J.W. Herbertson T. Heyes, Esq.
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Eiise Rearten Be 24. An6, sie Inter-Allied Rhineland High Commission. British Army of the Rhine 13th. October, 1927. My dear Heyes, When I was in Berlin last week and was going over official marine photographs with Admiral Lorey, I mentioned the fact that Bean had been asking for information concerning the "Cormoran" and "Prinz Eitel Friedrich". Admiral Lorey remembered the cruisers quite well, and sketched their history to me in a few words. I asked him if he would be so kind as to write down what he had said and let me have it for Bean, and the result is the attached letter. I think this information would interest Bean very much, and am sending him a copy by this mail. I do not know when he will get my letter, but if you think the information important enough, you may, perhaps, care to use other means of getting it to him a little quicker. Believe me. Yours sincerely, T. Heyes, Esq. Australian Representativ Committee of Imperial Defence, Room' Audit House Victoria Embankment, LONDON.
Translation. Berlin. My dear Captain Herbertson, Thank you for your kind letter. I have looked through our official history in order to carry out your wish with regard to the "Cormoran" and "Prinz Eitel Friedrich". There is little enough written about these two cruisers, as their official description has not yet been authorised. What I recently told you in a few words was what I had gathered from the aocounts of brother officers. All the same, I give you here willingly the official information which I have taken from our historical work. The activities of the two cruisers will be dealt with in the course of time also in an official history. 1. Auxiliary Gruiser "CORMORAN". S.M.S. EMDEN" brought to, on the ath. August, 1914, in 3505' N. and 129939' E. the 3522-ton large steamer "Rjäsan, of the Russian Volunteer Fleet. ("Freiwillige-Flotte"). The steamer had been built in Germany at Schichau in Elbing. She had 80 passengers on board. On the 6th. August the two ships entered Tsingtao. The Gêrman Government ordered the fitting-out of the steamer as an auxiliary cruiser. The crew was taken from the gunboat "Cormoran, which was lying in Tsingtao under major repair and unserviceable. The Commandant was Korvetten-Kapitän Zuckschwerdt. The auxiliary cruiser was given the name of the gunboat "Cormoran". After having been fitted out, she went to the Marshall Islands, and on the 27th. August fell in with Admiral Spey's squadron. The Admiral sent oft the "Cormoran" with a collier, to carry on war in Australian waters. So far goes the official description. The cruiser met no merchant ships, and could, there- fore, get no fresh coal. She lay for a long time in a picturesque little bay of a lonely South-sea island, in order to put her boiler and engines into proper order. Here fu for the boilers was obtained by cutting down trees, but this, naturally, only sufficed for movement round the harbour. At last the "Cormoran having failed in all her efforts to meet merchant ships, allowed herself to be interned, with what she had left of coal, in Yass. Fate decreed that she should have no success in warfare. 2. "Prinz Eitel Friedrich". This was a steamer of the Nord- Deutscher Lloyd, which was sent in the first days of August,1914 from Shanghai to Tsingtat. On the 5th. August she was put at the disposal of the crews of the gunboats "Luchs" and "Tiger" to serve as auxiliary cruissr. Her Commandant was Korvetten-Kapitän Thirichens. On the 12th. August he met, in the roads of Pagan (Marianen), the cruiser squadron, and went to the West coast of South America with the colliers which were attached to the squadron. On the 4th. November the "Prinz Eitel Friedrich" was in Valparaiso. After that date all I know of her history is that she tried to carry on war in the Atlantio Ocean, but without success, and finally, through lack of fuel, she ran into Newport News, one of the harbours of the U.S.A., where she was interned. Should your friend Bean wish any further information before the publication of our official history - which, so far as these two cruisers are concerned, will be some considerable tims he can obtain it from Admiral Mantey. You were so kind as to send me a picture of the landing of the Australian troops on Gallipoli. I think the artist has pictured the scenery there and its colour very well. My best thanks for the picture. I have given orders for the printing of the photographs it will be some time before they are ready, as several plates
ae vrnt /plates have to be photographed. I hope you will not lose patience. Yours sincerely, (Sgd.) LOREI.
F.4151 ----- 2688. 28 November 1927. Doar Herbertson, Many thanks for your latest re "Cormoran" and "Prinz Eitel Friedrich". We are indebted to Admiral Lorey for his I wrote to you of the statement in the "Kreuzer- assistance. kreig" that the "Cormoran intended to raid Friedrich Wilhelms- hafen about the beginning of October 1914. This has since been confirmed from two other sources. The attempt appears to have been abandoned because of a false report that the Australian squadron was lying off the harbour. It had been there on the occasion of the "Cormoran's" first visit. The German mercantile officer Stein remarked that he had flown over Sydney harbour in the "Wolf's" seaplane. Stein was in the "Wolf, but, apart from the unlikelihood of the "Wolf's" exposing herself to detection by sending the 'plane over Sydney (her whole policy was in the reverse direction), her known movements and statements of prisoners seem to make it certain that the story is untrue. The prisoners who were accommodated whore the seaplane was packed state with certainty that it had been packed away before approaching the Australian coast, and was not unpacked for a week afterwards. I think Stein's may have been an after-dinner speech. If there is an opportunity of confirming this, I should be glad, but the conclusion is practically certain. The book by her captain, Nerger, says nothing about it. The naval volume has again been hold up for a month or two for certain British records, and will not be published before February. Yours sincerely, C. E. W. BEAN Captain J.J.W. Herbortson, O.B.E. Inter-Allied Rhineland High Commission (British Department), A.F.O. S.40, Box 204, British Army of the Rhine, Cermany

Box 204,
Army Post Office S, 40,
British Army of the Rhine,
September 23rd 1927.
My dear Bean,
I received a letter from Stenger this
morning which says: "I have just received the information
required from the Reichsmarinearchiv. It certainly does
not go very far into details:- the two auxiliary cruisers
"Cormoran" and "Prinz Eitel Friedrich" never intended
making a raid on Friedrich Wilhelmshafen. They had
the express command to carry on cruiser warfare
(Kreuzerkrieg) on the Australian coast and the whole
interest of these ships turned solely round the question
of coal, a question which was so dominating that every
military task went altogether into the background. The
activities of the "Cormoran" therefore, on account of the
lack of fuel were not great.'
The Chief of the archives adds that he is very willing
at any time to answer questions from Bean which deal with
naval warfare."
Stenger regrets very much that he could not send me
this letter a few days earlier, and I can see he fears
that we may think the information given not altogether
as full as it might have been.
I am writing now to Heyes so perhaps by the time you
get this letter you will have already received the
information in condensed form in a wire from him.
Believe me,
Yours sincerely
Heb.

 

TELEPHONE NOS.
F 2597.
F 2598.
COMMUNICATIONS TO BE ADDRESSED TO
"THE DIRECTOR."
IN REPLY PLEASE QUOTE
NO. 12/5/128
TELEGRAPHIC ADDRESS
"AUSWARMUSE."
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.
AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL,
POST OFFICE BOX 214 D.
EXHIBITION BUILDINGS, MELBOURNE. 
"They gave their lives. For that public gift they
received a praise which never ages and a
tomb most glorious—not so much the tomb in
which they lie, but that in which their fame
survives, to be remembered for ever when occasion
comes for word or deed . . . . ."
4th November, 1927.
Dear Bazley,
German Auxiliary cruisers
"Cormoran" and "Prinz Eitel Freidrick".
I enclose a copy of a letter from Stenger of Berlin
to Herbertson and from Herbertson to Heyes.
Yours sincerely,
[[T sig?]]
Mr. A.W. Bazley,
c/o Official Historian,
Victoria Barracks,
SYDNEY. N.S.W.

 

Copy.
Dear Mr. Herbertson,
I have just received the information
required from the Reichsmarinearchiv. It certainly does
not go very far into details:- "the two auxiliary
cruisers "Cormoran" and "Prinz Eitel Friedrich" never
intended making a raid against Friedrich Wilhelmshafen.
They had the express command to carry on cruiser warfare
(Kreuzerkrieg) on the Australian coast and the whole
interest of these ships turned solely round the question
of coal, a question which was so dominating that every
military task went altogether into the background.
The activities of the "Cormoran" therefore, on account of the
lack of fuel, were not great.
The Chief of the archives adds that he is
very willing at any time to answer questions from Bean which
deal with naval warfare.
I only regret that I was not able to write
this letter to you a few days earlier for then you could
have at least sent off this extremely brief information
within the time desired. But you know the reason of the
delay. In the hope of seeing you again soon,
With kindest regards,
Yours sincerely,
(Sgd) Stenger.

 

Copy
Box 204,
Army Post Office S.40,
British Army of the Rhine
Sept. 23rd 1927.
My dear Heyes,
I received a letter from Stenger this
morning of which I enclose a copy.
I have just written to Bean and will
express the letter in the hope that it may even yet catch
a mail steamer perhaps at Marseilles and reach him by the
end of October.
I must confess I think the information is
somewhat condensed but still if the ships had no coal, they
certainly could not carry out any operations which would be
of historical interest, could they?
With kindest regards,
Yours very sincerely,
(Sgd) J.J.W. Herbertson.
T. Heyes, Esq.

 

Copy
Box 204,
Army Post Office, S.40,
British Army of the Rhine
Sept. 22nd 1927.
My dear Heyes,
Thank you for your letter of the
20th September. I had just dictated a letter to you
when it arrived. I have no doubt I shall be able to
get away to Berlin and secure the photos which are required.
With regard to the history of the two
German cruisers, I heard from Stenger who said that he had got
into touch with the archivists of the Marinleitung and that
he had been promised the information within the time required.
Stenger now writes that most unfortunately
the archivist who was entrusted with the search for this
information has gone sick, and the work has hereby been
delayed. Stenger is very upset at not being able to keep
his promise and hopes that if it is found necessary to
communicate with Bean with regard to the delay the reasons
for it will be explained.
I have written to Bean, but I am not
sure if my letter will reach him by the end of October, so
you might like to wire. No doubt you will agree with me that
it will be as well for me to get the information Bean requires
safely off to him before taking on the collection of the
photographs at Berlin.
Believe me,
Yours very sincerely,
(Sgd) J.J.W. Herbertsonv T. Heyes, Esq.

 

My dear Bean.

Copy of letter I have just
written to Heyes. Hope this information is not too
late. Lorey awfully decent chap & so, I believe is [[Montey?]]
tho' I had not time to see him. Very busy.

Yours every
Herb.

 

British Department,
Inter-Allied Rhineland High Commission.

Box 204, A.P.O. S.40,
British Army of the Rhine,
13th. October, 1927.

My dear Heyes,

When I was in Berlin last week and was going over
official marine photographs with Admiral Lorey, I mentioned
the fact that Bean had been asking for information concerning
the "Cormoran" and "Prinz Eitel Friedrich". Admiral Lorey
remembered the cruisers quite well, and sketched their history
to me in a few words. I asked him if he would be so kind as
to write down what he had said and let me have it for Bean,
and the result is the attached letter. I think this
information would interest Bean very much, and am sending him
a copy by this mail. I do not know when he will get my
letter, but if you think the information important enough, you
may, perhaps, care to use other means of getting it to him
a little quicker.

Believe me,

Yours sincerely

T. Heyes, Esq.,
Australian Representative,
Committee of Imperial Defence,
Room 7,
Audit House,
Victoria Embankment,
LONDON.

 

Translation.
Berlin

My dear Captain Herbertson,

Thank you for your kind letter. I have looked through
our official history in order to carry out your wish with
regard to the "Cormoran" and "Prinz Eitel Friedrick". There is
little enough written about these two cruisers, as their
official description has not yet been authorised. What I
recently told you in a few words was what I had gathered from
the accounts of brother officers. All the same, I give you here
willingly the official information which I have taken from our
historical work. The activities of the two cruisers will be
dealt with in the course of time also in an official history.
1. Auxiliary Cruiser "CORMORAN". S.M.S. "EMDEN" brough to, on
the 4th. August, 1914, in 35o5' N. and 129o39' E. the 3522-ton
large steamer "Rjäsan", of the Russian Volunteer Fleet.
("Freiwillige-Flotte"). The steamer had been built in Germany at
Schichau in Elbing. She had 80 passengers on board. On the 6th.
August the two ships entered Tsingtao. The German Governmnet
ordered the fitting-out of the steamer as an auxiliary cruiser. 
The crew was taken from the gunboat "Cormoran", which was lying
in Tsingtao under major repair and unserviceable. The Commandant
was Korvetten-Kapitän Zuckschwerdt. The auxiliary cruiser was
given the name of the gunboat "Cormoran". After having been
fitted out, she went to the Marshall Islands, and on the 27th.
August fell in with Admiral Spey's squadron. The Admiral sent off
the "Cormoran" with a collier, to carry on war in Australian
waters. So far goes the official description.
The cruiser met no merchant ships, and could, therefore,
get no fresh coal. She lay for a long time in a picturesque
little bay of a lonely South-sea island, in order to put her
boiler and engines into proper order. Here fuel for the boilers
was obtained by cutting down trees, but this, naturally, only
sufficed for movement round the harbour. At last the "Cormoran",
having failed in all her efforts to meet merchant ships, allowed
herself to be interned, with what she had left of coal, in Yass.
Fate decreed that she should have no success in warfare.
2. "Prinz Eitel Friedrich".  This was a steamer of the Nord-Deutscher
Lloyd, which was sent in the first days of August, 1914,
from Shanghai to Tsingtao. On the 5th. August she was put at the
disposal of the crews of the gunboats "Luchs" and "Tiger" to
serve as auxiliary cruiser. Her Commandant was Korvetten-Kapitän
Thirichens. On the 12th. August he met, in the roads of Pagan
(Marianen), the cruiser squadron, and went to the West coast of
South America with the colliers which were attached to the
squadron. On the 4th. November the "Prinz Eitel Friedrich" was in
Valparaiso. After that date all I know of her history is that
she tried to carry on war in the Atlantic Ocean, but without
success, and finally, through lack of fuel, she ran into Newport
News, one of the harbours of the U.S.A., where she was interned.
Should your friend Bean wish any further information
before the publications of our official history - which, so far as
these two cruisers are concerned, will be some considerable time
he can obtain it from Admiral Mantey.
You were so kind as to send me a picture of the landing
of the Australian troops on Gallipoli. I think the artist has
pictured the scenery there and its colour very well. My best
thanks for the picture.
I have given orders for the printing of the photographs
it will be some time before they are ready, as several plates

 

-2-
/plates have to be procured photographed. I hope you will not
lose patience.
Yours sincerely,
(Sgd.) LOREY.

 

F.4151
2688.
28 November 1927.
Dear Herbertson,
Many thanks for your latest re "Cormoran" and "Prinz
Eitel Friedrich". We are indebted to Admiral Lorey for his
assistance. I wrote to you of the statement in the "Kreuzerkreig"
that the "Cormoran" intended to raid Friedrich Wilhelmshafen
about the beginning of October 1914. This has since been
confirmed from two other sources. The attempt appears to have
been abandoned because of a false report that the Australian
squadron was lying off the harbour. It had been there on the
occasion of the "Cormoran's" first visit.
The German mercantile officer Stein remarked that he
had flown over Sydney harbour in the "Wolf's" seaplane. Stein
was in the "Wolf", but, apart from the unlikelihood of the
"Wolf's" exposing herself to detection by sending the 'plane
over Sydney (her whole policy was in the reverse direction),
her known movements and statements of prisoners seem to make it
certain that the story is untrue. The prisoners who were
accommodated where the seaplane was packed state with certainty
that it had been packed away before approaching the Australian
Coast, and was not unpacked for a week afterwards. I think
Stein's may have been an after-dinner speech. If there is an
opportunity of confirming this, I should be glad, but the
conclusion is practically certain. The book by her captain,

Nerger, says nothing about it.
The naval volume has again been held up for a month
or two for certain British records, and will not be published
before February.
Yours sincerely,
C.E.W. BEAN
Captain J.J.W. Herbertson, O.B.E.,
Inter-Allied Rhineland High Commission
(British Department),
A.F.O. S.40, Box 204,
British Army of the Rhine,
Germany.

 


 

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