Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/259/1 - 1917 - 1927 - Part 11

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First World War, 1914–18
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F.4151. Tel.M Ex. 81. COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA. nothng atade No. 1358. r 141 9i RACKS, SYDNEV. r 1926. H. Payne 166, Chal 70.008 Dear Sir, id that practic- In he operations ally no acc 1e British of the sign Cavalry div. four relative, Captain Wil I am wondering y letters from whether by : Captain Pay dron or the men tion is produc- composing i some account of ing a small the signal also have to be made in the editing. to forward them for my pernt Ewould guarantee that every Eare Will be taxen of them and that after necessary extracts have been made, they shall be returned to you. Yours faithfully, c. Fean.
F.4151. Tel.K Ext. 81. 5 2358 No. TACKS, SYONEV. 15 3 September 1926. H. Payne, Esq., 166, Chalmers Street Eydney. Dear Sir, In perusing the official records 1 find that practic- ally no account has been kept in Aust ralia of the operations of the signal squadron which was attached to the British Cavalry division in Mesopotamia, and of which your relative, I am wondering Captain William Henry Payne, was the commander, whether by any chance you know of or possess any letters from Captain Payne containing references to his squadron or the men The Mesopotamian Units’ association is produc- composing it2 ing a small history in which it desires to give some account of the signal squadron, and a reference to it will also have to be made in the national official history which I am editing. If. you have any letters and would care to forward them for my perusal, I should be most grateful and would guarantee that every care will be taken of them and that, after necessary extracts have been made, they shall be returned to you. Yours faithfully, Ew Ggean.
P.A1SI 1359. 3 September 1926. Krs. E.H. Payne, Imosa Dams waiton, LnlE 22a Leze Dear Madnn, in perusing the official records 1 find that practically no account has been kept in Australia of the eperations of the signal squadran which ws at tached to the British cavalry division in Resopotamia, and of which your husband, Captain William Henry Payne, was the commnder. I am wondering whether by any chance you know of, or pessees, any lotters from Captain Payne containing references to M srnadron or the men comosing 1t7 The Resopotamlan Units Association is producing a small Matory in which 1t deaires To give some pacount of the cavalry divisional signal squad- sen, and & reference to 1t will also have to be made in the astional offictal Mistary which I am editing. If you have any letters or records and would eare to forwrd them for ry perusal, I should be most gratesul and wuld guarantee that every care will be taken of them and that, after the necessary extracts hove been made, they shall ba raturned to you. fours faithfully, C.E.W. Bean
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P.4151 1301. 10 August 1926. Major R.H. Goold, Walnnt Avenue Mianza. Via. Dear Goeld, We me trying to get together for the Mesepotan- dan unit Matery an account of the Cavalry Mvinional Signal Squadron. If you could put down a few notes at the foot and back of this sheet, and let me have then, I should be very ereatly obliged. We know of the renson for the formation of the squadron, but not my it was disbended nor anything about its service. Yours faithfully, W. SEAN
A Britle Mos Benel
Box 184 OD. Mildura Sepe 2 To Hostorian Victoria Barrack Sydney Dear Beay I mush apologige for delay in replying to yours of 10 alk. I had very little information of the Car Do Sg Sguad. of use to you, as confortunately it was disbanded shortly after me forner it. My Service in Mesopotamea was aached to 3dd Corps & 14 Dr. however The reason of the Squarrs desbanding was that There was no further use for Cad. as a Division and it. operated as independet Brigades Thas the Dr Staff and Seg Sgaad. were out of work There happened to be an ex-member of the Squadr in This District & I have been waiting for his notes on the Squat. from which I have taken the following schacts Squadron embarked at Sigdning March about
1917 & Joune Cav Dir at SADAIK north of Baghdad. The treat of 191. Sammer caused 26 casualies I guadr first engagement with Div. in The operatio against TERRIT in December 191- next engagement was an Oct 1917 attemps to force SAROLTAUTAN PASS (vorify the name of this pass, I do not know it.) to get possession of RIER! Squadr mainamed communicatcon bet Dr. & Bdes during these engagements The last mentionea Skint occupin about & weeks KIFRI taken about April 1918 some operators & dispatch siders of Squad took part in this. I quadn was disbander about May 1918 some members con aborted b wereless Squadr. The remainder sent to France My predicison Capt Payne died of Small pox in Dec 191- Trusting trat you will be able to sift Smishing of ase to you from the foregring Yours Sincent, R.H Goot
P.41SI 1386. 11 September 1926. Lientenant H. Housten, Irrigation Office, 238EOR H.BeRe Dear Sir. He are trying to get together for the Resogotamian wnit Mistory an account of the Caralry Divisional Signal Squadron, of which I understand you were a member. If you Could put donn a Lew Notes, Ovan on the bask of this sheet, and let me have then, I should be very greatly obliged. We know of the reason for the farmation of the squadron, but not vy it wns disbanded nor anything about its service. Yours faithfully, C.E.W. Be
AU5 R. HOUSTON SE. AMICE, MEM. AIEE 82 Pitt Street. CONSULTING ENGINEER TELKPNONE; B 2160 Sydney 202Woemer 928 Inreply to N1386 C. E. W. Bean, Esq. Official Historian. Victoria Barracks, SYDNE Y. Dear Sir: Your letter has only just reached me as it was sent to my old address at Lecton. The Cavalry Divisional Signal Squadron was formed in Sydney under Captain Payne and in due course took up work with the Cavalry Division in Mcsopotamia at Es. Salak near Bagdad. Portion of the Squadron was in operation at Ramadi and the squadron later took part in operations at Tckrit. The squadron also was in oper- ation at Al Chykana Pass in connection with an attack on Kiffi which was captured. The Squadron returned with the Cavalry Division to Sadiyah and was in camp for several months there before being disbanded. A portion of the squadron also took part in operations at Kerluk. The reason for disbanding the squadron was that the con- dition of warfare on the Mcsopotamian front had so altered that it was found the services of a Cavalry Division on that front were not necessary and the Division itself was broken up into its various units for convenience, flexibility and better service and this nocessitated the disbanding of the Cavalry Divisional Signal Squadron. About half the squadron, namely the Despatch Riders, and Drivers, were sent to France while Operators and the Mechanics Orricers of the squadron were attached to the First Australian Wircless Squadron at Bagdad. I do not know whether this disjointed note is of much use to you, but I would rofer you to Mr. M. T. Ormsby who was our Warrant Officer and 1 understand, has all the records of the Squadron as regards dates, operations, etc. His address is - Dictophone Co. 19 Hunter Stroet, S FDNEY. se Yours faithfully, D g alo 5 KMushir

this is the envelope - some still to be done...
not known
at address
14.9.26
[[?]]
H. Payne, Esq.,
116, Chalmers Street, 
Sydney.

 

F.4151.
Tel. -XXXXXX Ext. 81.
COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA.
No. 1358
QUEANBEYAN, NSW
BARRACKS, SYDNEY
3 September 1926.

H. Payne, Esq.,
166, Chalmers Street, 
Sydney.
Dear Sir,
In perusing the official records I find that practically
no account has been kept in Australia of the operations
of the signal squadron which was attached to the British
Cavalry division in Mesopotamia, and of which your relative, 
Captain William Henry Payne, was the commander. I am wondering
whether by any chance you know of or possess any letters from
Captain Payne containing references to his squadron or the men
composing it? The Mesopotamian Units' association is producing
a small history in which it desires to give some account of
the signal squadron, and a reference to it will also have to be
made in the national official history which I am editing. 
If you have any letters and would care to forward them 
for my perusal, I should be most grateful and would guarantee
that every care will be taken of them and that, after necessary
extracts have been made, they shall be returned to you. 
Yours faithfully,
C.E.W.Bean.
 

 

F.4151
xxxxxx
1359.
3 September 1926.
Mrs. E.M. Payne,
"Mimosa Downs",
Walton,
Waikato, N.Z.
Dear Madam,
In perusing the official records I find that
practically no account has been kept in Australia of the
operations of the signal squadron which was attached to the
British cavalry division in Mesopotamia, and of which your
husband, Captain William Henry Payne, was the commander. 
I am wondering whether by any chance you know of, or possess, 
any letters from Captain Payne containing references to his 
squadron or the men composing it? The Mesopotamian Units' 
association is producing a small history in which it desires 
to give some account of the cavalry divisional signal squadron, 
and a reference to it will also have to be made in the 
national official history which I am editing. 
If you have any letters or records and would care 
to forward them for my perusal, I should be most grateful 
and would guarantee that every care will be taken of them 
and that, after necessary extracts have been made, they 
shall be returned to you. 
Yours faithfully,
C. E. W. Bean.
 

 

8/6/15
NZ&ADiv Admin
 

 

F.4151
xxxxxx
10 August 1926.
Major R.H. Goold,
Walnut Avenue,
Mildura, Vic. 
Dear Goold,
We are trying to get together for the Mesopotamian
unit history an account of the Cavalry Divisional Signal
Squadron. If you could put down a few notes at the foot and
back of this sheet, and let me have them, I should be very
greatly obliged. We know of the reason for the formation
of the squadron, but no why it was disbanded nor anything 
about its service. 
Yours faithfully,
C. E. W. Bean.

 

 

 

D (Drabble to Drewette)

 

 

 

Box 184

P.O. Mildura

Sep 2 26

 

Historian

Victoria Barraacks

Sydney

Dear Bean 

I must apologize for delay
 in replying to you s of 10th [[?]] I had

very little information of the Cas Div Sig

Squad. of use to you as unfortunately

was disbanded shortly after my joining 

it. My Service in Mesopotamia was

attached to 3rd Corps & 14th DW. however

the reason of the Squad disbanding 

was that there was no further use for Cad,

as a Division and it operated as independent

Brigades.  Thus the DW Staff and Sig Squad

was out of work.

There happened to be an  ex-member

of the Squad in this district & I have

been waiting for his notes on the Squad

from which I have taken the following

extracts.

Squadron embarked at Sydney March (about) 

 

1917 & joined Cav Div at SADAIR
north of Baghdad. The heat of 1917
summer caused 26 casualties
Squadn first engagement with Div in
the operation against TEKRIT in
Oct 1917, next engagement ^December 1917 was an
attempt to force SAKULTAUTAN PASS
(verify the name of this pass, I do not 
know it.) to get possession of KIFRI
Squadn maintained communication
bet Div, & Bdes during these engagements
the last [[mentioned?]] [[?]] occupied [[about?]]
4 weeks
KIFRI Taken about April 19181 some
operations & [[dispatch?]] [[orders?]] of Squadn  took
part in this. 
Squadn was disbanded about May 1918
some members were absorbed by wireless
Squadn. The remainder sent to France
My predecessor Capt Payne died of
smallpox in Dec 1917
Trusting that you will be able to [[?]]
something of use to you from the [[fr?]]
Yours Sincerely,
R.H.Goold.
 

 

F.4151
xxxxx
1386.
11 September 1926.

Lieutenant R. Houston,
Irrigation Office,
Leeton, N.S.W.
Dear Sir,
We are trying to get together for the Mesopotamian
unit history an account of the Cavalry Divisional Signal
Squadron, of which I understand you were a member. If you 
could put down a few notes even on the back of this sheet, and 
let me have them, I should be very greatly obliged. We know of 
the reason for the formation of the squadron, but no why it 
was disbanded nor anything about its service. 
Yours faithfully,
C. E. W. Bean.
 

 

R. HOUSTON
BE AMICE, MEM. AIEE
CONSULTING ENGINEER

TELEPHONE: B 2180
81 Pitt Street
Sydney, 10th November 1926
In reply to No 1386

C. E. W. Bean, Esq.,
Official Historian, 
Victoria Barracks, 

SYDNEY.
Dear Sir:
Your letter has only jut reached me as it was sent to
my old address at Leeton. 
The Cavalry Divisional Signal Squadron was formed in
Sydney under Captain Payne and in due course took up work with the
Cavalry Division in Mesopotamia at Es. Salak near Bagdad. Portion
of the Squadron was in operation at Ramadi and the squadron later
took part in operations at Tekrit. The squadron also was in operation
at Al Chykana Pass in connection with an attack on Kifri
which was captured. 
The Squadron returned with the Cavalry Division to Sadiyah
and was in camp for several months there before being disbanded.
A portion of the squadron also tool part in operations at Kerkuk. 
The reason for disbanding the squadron was that the condition
of warfare on the Mesopotamian front had so altered that it
was found the services of the Cavalry Division on that front were not 
necessary and the Division itself was broken up into its various 
units for convenience, flexibility and better service and this 
necessitated the disbanding of the Cavalry Divisional Signal Squadron. 
About half the squadron, namely the Despatch Riders,
Mechanics and Drivers, were sent to France while Operators and the
Officers of the squadron were attached to the First Australian
Wireless Squadron at Bagdad. 
I do not know whether this disjointed note is of much use
yo you, but I would refer you to Mr. M. I. Ormsby who was our
Warrant Officer and I understand, has all the records of the Squadron
as regards dates, operations, etc. His address is --
Dictophone Co.,
19 Hunter Street, 
SYDNEY.
Yours faithfully, 
R Houston

**Acknowledged
& a copy sent to
[[Head Guide?]]
CWB

 


 

 

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