Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/257/1 - 1916 - 1927 - Part 7

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First World War, 1914–18
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by proportion of fyhting forces to population measure takle shows (as the appened of none of the dominious equalled thewar efort the was effect if the dowinrous did not appa to domenson European that of the mother country or of those, nations which were fo gof peacyy oaperi telmore oftwar & more within range of the operations closely concersed in to ou threak, as the appeaded table shows. Percentag Exteatments Carny, Navy, Acr torci Population 20.4 8,150,000 40,000,000 France 13.8 6, 423,88½ 8.1 46,500,000 530,000 United 888.5 Kingdom 617, 000 7,758,000 410 809 Pasade 11.4 4,978.000 129,000 Aushalia 1,128,000 New Ireland
7,758,000 Canada 1914. 1,128.060 N.E. 41972,059 aust 7.758) 41800 5.4 238790 30100 8.9 112810000ll 9024 9760 9024 360 768 5.4 418000 oversea 100.000 8.9 332000 " 6.7 33200 (6. 29832 33680
Trench? paper O. K. Aust. Percentap E. Populati Poel. Aud 1914 C. 3g 20ar 40,000,000 461034640 46.500.000 40990952 4,900,000 T0 killed of0 ta0 Enlist. 98.035 3.2 8.150, 00C 20.4 6,423,885 170 705,815. 1.6 58.460 1.2 416,801 avel 8.5
Aug 1.14 - Jan 1. 1919. arcey 700,000 3 Pophi 1913. 935,000 . 39 Navy 215,000 $,150,000 arc R.1038,300 Cas M. 249,000 Br Poph, 1914 5.521 Navy 216 835 46,331,548. 11298 ou Navy. 640.237 Enticto Army. 5,704,416 232 RAE 6,14231885 415732 Navs Cas. 2.000 Killed RAE U.H. n 662083 Ary K& ar. 08.815 103 ap.- Ty 280 pm 2804 58146 Aust 58,460. 21826 A (F.k. 55.306 88,132
" 416,000 8.150,000 4900, 000l 6,400.000 40,000l 000 46,500,.000 fat Embris MCbI Butey sdiy 118 Eatione &e bis CC) 21 (AB)) OE 13FEI 17mois 4 310163 MiS MEGIET 414 eulist In 4900 100 416 e 4900 poIE MCE 315116 32762 100 8.5 . 7eI 416 49 Aortl 92 240 istill Ay 245 paleGtbor Of W 6611 WE fo 0 Ba bat 64 bOTbe 100 TTGIC OEe Kswbh Bie EbbO SITS 344 EESWT 1E Et 416 O1C 14 In 465 enlist 64 KNE Dev. 1280 100 suRI 64 93 4465 93 100 93/1280 13.8 0 93 Ni A19E 50 477 657 1161 710 ther REHt Bos BRHEGO To 4000 - cnlid 855 301815 &100 815 150 400a 8.570 20.47 13.89 20.4
400 1298 100 40, do0 400 ✓ 706 64248 6424 10800 (11 6424 6360 585 49000 490 585 1.2 290 950 980 e 3.22 12.98 1209 980 809 706 46500 te toe 456/706 456 1500 2936 2280 220 1.5 4561708 456 24 220 10 1.5
7.3800 62964 8.1 128.525. 1.1 41 8.3. 630,000 129.000 1128 412,000 70 412.00 41 357 54300 18 3430 415.000 71758,000 7758)63000 (8 62064 9360 12900 (101.4 1128 1620 1128 4926 8.3 C 1200 76 39 13240
chief forces actually sent overseas by The military Canada, Australia, & New Zealand bore the following proportion to the total population of hose cuntries percutage Population Overseaforce 5.4 418,000 7,758,000 Canada 6. 332,000 Aushrolia 4, 972,059 100, 000 8.1 1,128,060 New Jealand Exchisive of New Gunica Force & Navy, The existence
C o etens foue official Historian lozieres reinforcements & BraDivision
POLLERES RELNFORCLENTS & 3rd MVISION. Note from Army Council to Secretary of State for the Colontes - There are at present in France four divisions of the 11) Commonwealth Forces and it is estimated that to complete and maintain these divisions in the field up to 3lst Docember 1916 50,000 reinforcements will be required. Therefore been found necessary to draw on 3rd Division 12) for drafts. Drafts at present in sight up to end of 1916 will not (31 be sufficient to replace personnel taken for xxtnfarnm reinforcements from the 3rd Mvision and to replace future casualties. Did Anderson have any influence on the War Office decision to ask et juneture for 20,000 andxt plus 16,500 per month for three months after this special draft? (Anderson was, in August 1916, Colonel in charge Administration, A.L.F., 28 August 1916. War Office to Southern Command H.Q., Salisbury. If necessary, 3rd Division to send drafts to Australian Training Gentre. 3rd Division will not in any case proced oversea until enough drafts to sustain all the divisions now in the field can be produced. Matter had been fully explained to Australia. About 31 August 1916 Monash (commanding 3rd Division! tells Newton Moore that 2,800 is the limit of the drafts that can be taken from his division without unduly delaying its conpletion by Septem- ber 30. He would replace Monash's men by men from training depots. Moore notes: Arranged with 3rd Division for 2,800 inf. 3rd Div.to be transferred. Australian Government is asknd on August 24 by Bonar Law for 20,000 men in special draft to make up 3rd Mivision. Replies that 1t will send at once 20,000 and will undertake to maintain rein- forcements at 16,560 per month thereafter, but can't understand figures. There should be 31,000 man in English depots (Griffiths says 22,800). Birdwood on 15 August questions (in a memo from Francel, says 13,200 drafts should be available in England. Doesn't want any of 3rd Division as less trained. Suggests Anzac Mounted Division (three Australian Brigades) and 3,000 infantry reinforcements in Reypt, plus 750 for artillery, plus surplus reinforcements for light horse, plus 11th and 12th Light Horse Regiments, plus the 1f all the mounted double squadrons be sent across to England. troops could be got away from Egypt so much the better. (Bird- woods recomnendations always show that he assumes it in the interests of thr troops to come to his force. Prove clearly that a strong, Lxtrmindndy fair mind in background is required where officers in particular theatres are being dealt with.) (Murray an instance to contrary) Suggests that 11th and 12th Regiments, plus all light horse reinforcements about 56 should be sent to become part of the normal reinforcements for the division in France. With these numbers I hope that it will be possible t again complete the Australian divisions in France before they are again called upon to enter into another severe phase of fighting. 16 August, Letter from Monash to Birdwood hoping there may be no need at all to draw on the 3rd Division. He had been warned by Anderson that 3,000 to 6,000 might be required,

Measured by proportion of fighting forces to population
(as the appended table shows)
No dominion the war effort of none of the dominions equalled
the war effort of the dominions did not approach
that of the Mother country or of those European nations which were
were the actual scene of operations
were more intimately concerned
within range of the operations of / war & more closely concerned in its
outbreak. as the appended table shows:

  Population

Enlistments
(Army, Navy Air Force)

 Percentage
France

40,000,000

8,150,000

20.4
United 
Kingdom

46,000,000

6,423,885

13.8
New Zeal
Canada

7,758,000

 630,000

8.1
Australia

4,972,000

416,809 
417,000 

8.3  8.5
New 
Zealand

 1,128,000

 129,000  

11.4
 
Canada 1914: 7,758,000 418,000

5.4 

overseas
N.Z. 1,128.060 100,000 8.9
Aust 4,972,059 332,000 6.7

7,758 / 41800 \ 5.4
           ________
           7, 38790
           ________
             30100

1128) 10,000 (8.88 8.9
9024
______
9760
9024
_____
9360
6768                                            4,972) 33200 (6.7
_____                                                         29832

                                                                   _____
                                                                   33680 

 

 
  Popln.
Aug 1914 c.		 Enlist. % Killed
Cas		 %
French. popn 39,700,000
40,000,000		 8,150,000 20.4 1,298,035 3.2
U.K.         " 46,431,548
46,500,000		 6,423,885 13.8 705,815 1.5
Aust.       " 4,940,952
4,900,000		 416,809 8.5 58,460
+ naval		 1.2

Percentage:
[?] Populatn

 

                                     Aug 1.14 - Jan 1.1919
Fr Popln 1913.    39,700,000 : Army 7,935,000
                                                     Navy     215,000

                                                                —————
                                                                 8,150,000
                                                            Army
                                                      Cas K. 1,038,300
                                                       m.          249,000
                                                      Navy           5,521
                                                                           5,214

                                                                 —————
                                                                   1,1298,035
 

Br Popln, 1914                                    46,331,548:
                                       Enlists: ( Navy  146,047
                                                    (xxxx    640,237
                                                  (Army 5,704 416
                                                  (RAF         77,232

                                                                —————
                                                              6,423,885

(66 Johnston St
Chatswood)
U.K.     Cas.   (Navy     41,732
           Killed  (  RAF     2,000
           & m     (Army 662,083

                                     —————
                                   805 705,815 K & w.           
         

ap. - Jy 2.50 per m.
        2000. Cas..
 

  2 828
55 318

———
58,146
 

Aust 58,460.
 

A I F k.  2,826
             55,306

       —————
             58,132
 

 

 

4,900,000         416,000     8.5 %
40,000,000    8,150,000    20.4%
46,500,000    6,400,000   13.8%
4 4.
________________________________________
 

416
In 4900 enlist 416
∴     |         ""       416
                            ____    x 100
                          4900
∴     100          49/ 416  \8.5
                               392

                             ———
                                  240
                                  245
In 465 enlist 64
       1                64 x 100 20 = 1280
                        ——                  ——

                        465                      93
     100               93

93 / 1280 \ 13.8
          93

        ——   
        350
        279

        —— 
        710


In 4000 - enlist 815
        1                    815                40/815\20.4
                             4000 x 100         80

                                                         ——     
                                                          150
 

 

                  400)  1298  ( 3.22

1298      x  100     1200  
                              ———   
                                 980
                                 800

                              ———   

                                 800

 

6424 / 70600 (1.1                         706

               6424                          46500 x 100         - 

               ———   

               6360                                                   456/ 706 \ 1.5

                                                                                     456

                                                                                      ——  

                                                                                    2490

                                                                                    2280

                                                                                     ——  

                                                                                       220

________________

 Thurs May 25.

________________

             585 x 100                             456/ 705 \ 1.5

              ——                                                456

              49000                                            ——  

                                                                      2490

                                                                      2280

                                                                        ——  

                                                                         210
                                        

490 )  585 \ 1.2

           490

           ——  

           950

           980

           ——  

              30 0

 

 

 


 

 

                                                  415.000

7,758,00    629 64    8.1

                    128 525.   1.1

                     417          8.3

                                                   7,758,000

                                                   7758)  63000  ( 8.1

                                                               62064

                                                               _______

                                                                   9360

                   630,000

                    129,000

                    4172,000             1128   12900  (1.1.4

                                                            1128      (

                                                           ______                                            
                                                            1620

                                                            1128

                                                           ______  

                                                              4920

 

                   4,970 ) [?] 41200  ( 9 8.3

                                       35,770

                                       ______     

                                       5,4300

                                          748                         41200

                                         3430                        39776

                                                                          ______ 

                                                                           13246
 
 

 

The chief military forces actually sent overseas by
Canada, Australia, & New Zealand bore the
following proportion to the total population
of those countries

                     Population    Oversea force  percentage
Canada           7,758,000        418,000                5.4

Australia          1,128,060         332,000x              6.7

                          4,972,059

New Zealand   1,128,060        100,000                8.9


[x Exclusive of New Guinea Force & Navy.]
The existence of
 

 

Copy for [?]ffeney
from Official Historian
Pozieres reinforcements & 3rd Division
 

 

POZIERES REINFORCEMENTS & 3rd DIVISION.
Note from Army Council to Secretary of State for the Colonies -
(1) There are at present in France four divisions of the
Commonwealth Forces and it is estimated that to complete
and maintain these divisions in the field up to 3lst
December 1916 50,000 reinforcements will be required.
(2) Therefore been found necessary to draw on 3rd Division
for drafts.
(3) Drafts at present in sight up to end of 1916 will not
be sufficient to replace personnel taken for reinforcemen 
reinforcements from the 3rd Division and to replace
future casualties.
Did Anderson have any influence on the War Office decision to ask
at juncture for 20,000 andit plus 16,500 per month for three
months after this special draft? (Anderson was, in August 1916,
Colonel in charge Administration, A.L.F.)
28 August 1916. War Office to Southern Command H.Q., Salisbury.
If necessary, 3rd Division to send drafts to Australian Training
Centre. 3rd Division will not in any case proceed oversea until
enough drafts to sustain all the divisions now in the field can be
produced. Matter had been fully explained to Australia.
About 31 August 1916 Monash (commanding 3rd Division) tells Newton
Moore that 2,800 is the limit of the drafts that can be taken
from his division without unduly delaying its completion by September

30. He would replace Monash's men by men from training depots.
Moore notes: "Arranged with 3rd Division for 2,800 inf. 3rd Div. to
be transferred.
Australian Government is asked on August 24 by Bonar Law for
20,000 men in special draft to make up 3rd Division. Replies that
it will send at once 20,000 and will undertake to maintain reinforcements

at 16,500 per month thereafter, but can't understand
figures. There should be 31,000 men in English depots (Griffiths
says 22,000).
Birdwood on 15 August questions (in a memo from France), says
13,200 drafts should be available in England. Doesn't want any of
3rd Division as less trained. Suggests Anzac Mounted Division
(three Australian Brigades) and 3,000 infantry reinforcements in
Egypt, plus 750 for artillery, plus surplus reinforcements for
light horse, plus 11th and 12th Light Horse Regiments, plus the
double squadrons be sent across to England. 1f all the mounted
troops could be got away from Egypt so much the better. (Birdwood's

recommendations always show that he assumes it in the
interests of thr troops to come to his force. Prove clearly that
a strong, fair minded men fair mind in background is required
where officers in particular theatres are being dealt with.)
(Murray an instance to contrary) Suggests that 11th and 12th
Regiments, plus all light horse reinforcements about 6% should be
sent to become "part of the normal reinforcements for the division
in France." With these numbers I hope that it will be possible to
again complete the Australian divisions in France before they are
again called upon to enter into another severe phase of fighting.
16 August, Letter from Monash to Birdwood hoping there may be no
need at all to draw on the 3rd Division. He had been warned by
Anderson that 3,000 to 6,000 might be required,
 

 
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