Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/217/1 - August 1918 - Part 1

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AWM3S Official History, 1974-18 War: Records of C E W Bean, Official Historian. Diaries and Notebooks Hem number: 3DR1606/21717 Title: Notebook, August 1978 includes references to the 21st, 23rd and 24th Battalions, Mont St Quentin, Beaurevoir and Montbrehai. AWMSS-3DRI606/217H
I 23B Mt St O. (rijer 24 B Besurivon 4 Me Ste MosFbredam s 21Bn 2024 from almost 2 Ah I surin 21RJM2 30RL 616 1BM 817 11 AWM3S DIARIES AND NOTES OF C. E. W. BEAN CONCERNING THE WAR OF 1914- 1918 THE use of these diaries and notes is subject to conditions laid down in the terms of gift to the Australian War Memorial. But, apart from those terms, I wish the following circumstances and considerations to be brought to the notice of every reader and writer who may use them. These writings represent only what at the moment of making them I believed to be true. The diaries were jotted down almost daily with the object of recording what was then in the writer’s mind. Often he wrote them when very tired and half asleep; also, not infrequently, what he believed to be true was not se —but it does not follow that he always discovered this, or remembered to correct the mistakes when discevered. Indeed, he could not always remember that he had written them. These records should, therefore, be used with great caution, as relating only what their author, at the time of writing, believed. Further, he cannot, of course, vouch for the accuracy of statements made to him by others and here recorded. But he did try to ensure such accuracy by consulting, as far as possible, those who had seen or otherwise taken part in the events. The constant falsity of second-hand evidence (on which a large proportion of war stories are founded) was impressed upon him by the second or third day of the Gallipoli campaign, notwithstanding that those who passed on such stories usually themselves believed them to be true. All second-hand evidence herein should be read with this in mind. WA MEMORIAL AUSIRLN 16 Sept, 1946. C. E. W. BEAN. ACCESS STATUS MCCEEEEEEEEEEEE MeAAEEENEEEMMMMIIIIMAEMMMMMMMENL
23Bn Mt S00. The Copie as I 20 B 3.9 fious 31 Aug. the 2rt Coyx of 23Bn occapied Sosina E witout diffeculty Toaddion 3/0 Fentin Cupt 6 Molland In Iearly morning they had to sidesty, out of Foring into Gottlieb & Save of possible - it as pretty well known H save ws held by jerms. Patrots weresent in small hours to Save G & Gottlieb to find of ferms. were there. They found to bok hese to were held by gernous. In order to get in they had to fight (whole
Mactier way. It as there to McTear got his V.C. 5t5 Bde were purten up in Agrain or Galatz Aleys. 23 Bn Cates passed thio a nember of them. The formation in Save Pottlieb ws to be I same as in Horina I PragueG It save cont be occupied, one Coy ws 6g0 into Kholm y2 Durin Inight 1 ferman apparently had brought mg up into positions close to trse Ex. The gun in [Copse as only abt 100 yds away firing directly down I road thy had to cross - you cd see 1 flast of it. It ws just grey dawn - be adsee the 2 23 Bn crossing (road. Lers ws 6 on the left. 3od Dwn vent
over Earlier at5 - &1 fermen barrage dropped then on the it as well. The coys sidestepped bet 516 when it as getting a bit light. D Coy loat 2x & 3wd geking across Iroad - it is not move tan abt 12ft wide - one man at a time ad cross it, Bloy had to fight up gottlieb in order to clear it & so you ionot carryout I crossyg quictl It ws exactly 6 am. When I last man crosd & entered T.O.F. Our banage droppd at tt noment. It as on Mr STC. BrI went over Itop in line at once. Tust in font of Save G as a tot of denee barber were. This combined w intense fire wh as coming from Mr 80 a co
right round to the rly from almost every directir - These cause the left Coy & half the rt Coy to work puther &f lef & rest o frt Coy t work puurbes to fet. The officers tok it for panted to whole ground ahead ws held by (ferms & a there were isolate badies S Bile in trenches a head of them - Salety, Agrai 8 So om. he casualties were very heavy on I right. L Holland tost abt 50 per calo 1Coy in abt 14 br. Entirely from M.g. fire prac no shelling. He it advanced until it get to hot to those who were lift got down. A toy came up, getting the same fire, & rewforced D/2he
By this time they were abt a head of Apain Alley – past ano of 5 Bde in Y & were past the Copseon 12t. This as abt 6.15. Then they Saw 56 Bn. on their right. They came along on K. of the El. & a few on the N of it. In a few manales A Coy had lost all its officers as it came up to remprce (it as really I second him in aback & now they formed one tie). Capt. Moss wd. D griffin wd L Claydon &. at Love wd. I solland had started with L Field (ad day before) & N. O'Connel - now 4 Gabriel, also lef parton left both Ilatter were wd on MPD Q).
To Holland ws 1 only offer now lefton 1 et. Just after A Coy fained, some fermans - abt 20- adod a short distance w M.gs. from Abt 1 Aviation pound (L21AS. 8) - I wo very flat. They were sears than the hets &they were stopped by our L. go & rifle fire. When these Gernans were forced down the line advanced again a short distance & then w stopped t mige There as & little cover - practicaty no shell holes - 1 ferms had day a few pothotes in tright. Hohand saw it as impossible on at serned - to pass over open. so he passed word along from mean to man to try & reach 1 buts at 1 acrodrome by workin round
to [rt. 14Bde were fighty a woods at this time D Holeand to a Couple of maners & abt 6 men reachd Theets. & found a number of 14 Bde nen & officers seatered amongst them. They were there moving from hut to but for tryig shelter & to find out what I positi was. From there to Hollend cd see a pty of our men on [S. Pde of Mr S O. Mg. fire or still coming from the NW & 5E corner of the Mr So (germs still her it. A. sut awessage back to Bn from there The mea on StR.Co be seen moving from the left apparenty along a trinet to I right at
Edge oI village & then back again - Holland a his 6 men tried to get acros to but Fl (The men sirn a gun sound from 21B1.5 & fired it Straight up 1 2d to 12t 01 vitlege - they must have fired 40 or t0 shells). They trut t get across obt by 12d by Uber Allis Y. 2of theSmen were wd & it cdnt be done. Just abt when I gan started 5 fire the firms tund arty on 5 1 bets.f cerodsone & what seemed to be TMs from the Sagas Factor. He ws trying to blow out t forone then The meen stuck to it & went on ferig w Ishells

AWM38

Official History,
1914-18 War: Records of C E W Bean,
Official Historian.
Diaries and Notebooks

Item number: 3DRL606/217/1
Title: Notebook, August 1918
Includes references to the 21st, 23rd and 24th
Battalions, Mont St Quentin, Beaurevoir and
Montbrehain.
AWM38-3DRL606/217/1
 

 

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23Bn
Mt St Q. (right)
24 Bn
Beaurevoir
Mt St Q.

Montbrehain
21 Bn   "   "
             "   "
             "   "
21 & 24

( from almost
all / surviving  

No 3 *]
[* Typed -
405A - 429 *]
Original DIARY No. 217
AWM38 3DR 616 ITEM 217[1]
DIARIES AND NOTES OF C. E. W. BEAN
CONCERNING THE WAR OF 1914-1918
THE use of these diaries and notes is subject to conditions laid down in the terms
of gift to the Australian War Memorial. But, apart from those terms, I wish the
following circumstances and considerations to be brought to the notice of every
reader and writer who may use them.
These writings represent only what at the moment of making them I believed to be
true. The diaries were jotted down almost daily with the object of recording what
was then in the writer's mind. Often he wrote them when very tired and half asleep;
also, not infrequently, what he believed to be true was not so —but it does not
follow that he always discovered this, or remembered to correct the mistakes when
discovered. Indeed, he could not always remember that he had written them.
These records should, therefore, be used with great caution, as relating only what
their author, at the time of writing, believed. Further, he cannot, of course, vouch
for the accuracy of statements made to him by others and here recorded. But he
did try to ensure such accuracy by consulting, as far as possible, those who had
seen or otherwise taken part in the events. The constant falsity of second-hand
evidence (on which a large proportion of war stories are founded) was impressed
upon him by the second or third day of the Gallipoli campaign, notwithstanding that
those who passed on such stories usually themselves believed them to be true. All
second-hand evidence herein should be read with this in mind.
16 Sept., 1946. C. E. W. BEAN. 
AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL
ACCESS STATUS
OPEN
 

 

 

23 Bn  Mt St Q.
The Copse ws I 20 B 3 . 9
31 Aug., "D"  the   front  rt coy of 23 Bn
occupied Florina trench without
difficulty.
Diagram - see original document
In / early morning
they had to sidestep out of
Florina into Gottlieb & Save trenches
if possible - it ws pretty well
known tt Save ws held by Germs.
Patrols were sent in /
small hours to Save trench & Gottlieb
to find if Germs. were there.   They
found tt both these trenches were
held by Germans.   In order to
get in they had to fight / whole
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way.   It ws there tt McTear Mactier got
his V.C.    5th Bde were further
up in Agram or Galatz Alleys -
23 Bn later passed thro a number
of them.
The formation in Save & Gottlieb
ws to be / same as in Florina &
Prague trenches.   If Save cdnt be
occupied, one coy ws to go into
Kholm trench.
During / night / German
apparently had brought m.gs up into
positions close to these trenches.   The
gun in / Copse ws only abt 100
yds away firing directly down
/ road they had to cross - you
cd see / flash of it.   It ws just
grey dawn - he cd see the
23 Bn crossing / road.   Zero
ws just on the left.   3rd Divn went
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over earlier at 5 - & / German
barrage dropped then on the

rt as well.   The coys sidestepped
betw 5 & 6 when it ws getting a bit
light.   D Coy lost 2 k & 3 wd
getting across / road - it ws not
more than abt 12 ft wide - one
man at a time wd cross it.   B Coy
had to fight up Gottlieb in order
to clear it & so you cd not
carryout / crossing quickly.
It ws exactly 6 a.m. when
/ last man crossed & entered /
J. O. T.   Our barrage dropped
at tt moment.   It ws on Mt St Q.
B & D went over / top in
line at once.   Just in front of
Save trench ws a lot of dense barbed
wire.   This combined w / intense
fire wh ws coming from Mt St Q.
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right round to the rly from
almost every directn - These
cause the left Coy & half the rt
Coy to work further to / left & /
rest o / rt Coy to work further
to / rt.   The officers took it
for granted tt / whole ground
ahead ws held by / Germs & tt
there were isolated bodies of
5 Bde in / trenches ahead of
them - Galatz, Agram & so on.
The casualties were very
heavy on / right.   Lt. Holland lost

abt 50 per cent o / Coy in abt
¼ hr.   Entirely from m.g. fire -
prac. no shelling.   The rt advanced
until it got so hot tt those
who were left got down.
A Coy came up, getting
the same fire, & reinforced D  (rt half of D)
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By this time they were abt
ahead of Agram Alley - past
a no of 5 Bde in trenches & were
past the Copse on / rt.
This ws abt 6.15.   Then they
saw 56?  Bn. on their right.
They came along on the S. of the rly,
& a few on the N. of it.   In a
few minutes A Coy had lost all
its officers as it came up to
reinforce (it ws really / second line
in attack & now they formed /
one line).
Capt.  Moss       wd.
Lt         Griffin     wd
Lt         Claydon   k.
Lt         Love         wd.
Lt Holland had started with Lt Field
(wd day before) & Lt O'Connell - now
with / left party, - &  the other Lt Gabriel, also on / left
(both / latter were wd on Mt St Q).
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So Holland ws / only offr now
left on / rt.   Just after A Coy
joined, some Germans - abt 20 -
advd a short distance w m.gs.
from abt / Aviation ground
(I 21 A 5. 8) - It ws very flat.
They were nearer than the huts
& they were stopped by our L.Gs
& rifle fire.   When these Germans
were forced down the line advanced 
again a short distance & then ws
stopped w m.gs.
There ws v. little cover - &
practically no shell holes - / Germs
had dug a few potholes in / right.
Holland saw it ws impossible
to pass over / open (no one wd survive) so he passed
word along from man to man
to try & reach / huts at /
aerodrome by working round
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to / rt.   14 Bde were fighting
in / woods at this time -
Lt Holland w a couple of
runners & abt 6 men reached
/ huts.  & found a number of
14 Bde men & officers scattered
amongst them.   They were there
moving from hut to hut for
shelter & trying to find out what / positn 
was.
From there Lt Holland cd see
a pty of our men on / S. side
of Mt St Q.   M.g. fire ws still
coming from the NW & SE corner
of the Mt.   So / Germs still had
it.   H. sent a message back
to Bn from there.
The men on St Q. cd be
seen moving from the left apparenty
along a trench to / right at / is
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edge o / village & then back
again - Holland w his 6
men tried to get across to Mt St Q
(The men swung a gun round
from 21 B 1. 5  & fired it
straight up / rd to / rt o /
village - they must have fired
40 or 50 shells).
They tried to get across abt
by / rd by Uber Alles trench.
2 of the 6 men were wd & it
cdnt be done.
Just abt when / gun
started to fire the Germs turned
arty on to / huts o /
aerodrome & what seemed
to be TMs from the Sugar Factory.
He ws trying to blow out the
77 for one thing.   The men stuck
to it & went on firing w / shells
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