Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/270 PART 1/1 - 1918 - 1939 - Part 8

Conflict:
First World War, 1914–18
Subject:
  • Documents and letters
Status:
Awaiting approval
Accession number:
RCDIG1066668
Difficulty:
5

Page 1 / 10

11 oge 48 2 pritiel gun Nene (lew straigh on +A an toag w 40 p 3 A --t 1 a Your hr Fomme -- ad 31 3 9
oe cowre a prote r 1I aetaon been make 83. after I saw the vodl but I never DR.G.W. SARDEheved of it todo not think so CENTRAL ROAD. TELEPHONE. KALAMUNDA. W.A 34 KALAMUNDA 101 Ect 231335 My dear Bear Wet reference to your letter of Oct. 14t Quens insfecting this Avr doca unet & found the mediest orded Wastey Richtshoflis bod. so Imade an examination There will only on butket tive wounds, one of entre + one ofexit of a buttet- which had envideate passed through the chast & the heart There was no wound of the head but those was consideable beuising over the R. Taw which may have been fractured the orderly told me that the comultt Sargon ofhee ammies armmnt has made a pos Mortan I asked now he did it as those we. noevidence. M orderly
told me that the ton Ee had used a bet of feacing wore whichhe had pushed wlong the tack of thee word over the heart. Iasid the same bet of wore for the same pucpon So you see me Medial examination was not a thorough one + not a Pormorsen am in etinar sense of the term th ouder it nole in the side of the plane coinicded with the wound through the ches & Iamsues he was not from below while bankng. I sent a full refort to Genko at anst Corps & have often wondered what becase o < with kind regard Yr Sincil yrepo
1 1 33 dl Central O. vr Li Kalamunda to a 4 W 8th g sed Dec2 the iditor The Daily News Perth Dear Sir With refoience to your Article How Richthofen died 7todaptate. General Monagh was in beroe when stating that Richtohofen was shot through the head There were only two wounds one of entry + one of exct of a buker which had evidently passed-through the heart I made an examination of the bode & furished a report to the Austrelian Corps Commander tan His faishful roe to Barber 734
NOTE.—Kindly indicate hereunder the approximate site of the injury. H t As Ge 8 6 6 b3 Menent at n ae ne te Michtofer e but of 6r one in embe se drat we whd Ed wass the think
38 Cresham Fire & Accident insurance Society limited. CHIEE OFFICEYIBS-IDO, FIEV SREE, LODn,E.C.A. SRANCH MANAGER Brench Office: Temple Courts, DONALD S.TENKINS 55,. Temple Row. TELEPHONE. MIDLAND 5402. Birminsham, 2. 47 June 1936 SUSINESS TRANSACTED. C.E.W. Bean 27 1 Commanieallle of Austaalia 4 Historin 1033 Of ShoIS Victorie Barracks Saddington nSwales WORKMENS COMPENSATION. 8OROlAN Dear Sion Volume V. Appa. 4 HOUSEHOLDERS COMERENENSITE POUCT. 10 (acs) MOTORS. In reply to your leve of the 22nd apl. the information your requese is as follow:- PERSONAL ACCIDENTS DONALD T. TENKINS. FIDELITY CUARANTEES. BORK: STAFFORT, ERELANT. DATE ofBIRTH: (sc. OCTOBER 1883 PUBLIC LIABILITY BELONC TO; STREETLN, NeaT BIRNINGNAN M ENCLARD PROFESSION.- As ABSVE. (PRIOR TO & SINCE THEWAR JORSWTANSS RETIRED with Rank of Tieutenant PROPERTY OWNERS LIABILITY DECORATIONS: NO NE (byond the usual two -Service & Vistory medal. ENGINEERING I have been interested in the controversies which have srofhed up from time to time regaaden Baron von Richthof & guess you have my name from a letter & wrote to the Daily Telegmaph (London) on 14t Jany. 1928. This son followed by Cidnal Esslinony, or
Basimnl WD1OE SOABTEAl IDIA S SIT MSHEt Lwans MenIOMSA Banan HSHLA ETTOD SIGHIST 400 : & your Description on Janry 20th, 1928 Jan59 S1GIIIS 558 Ta Ienclose a letter I wrote to the Editor of the A. exming lendo in Dicembe 1929 wherl you will see was not painted. It is iy summing up. Thankept a sopy soplease teas it up whn it has so yo prropose. I chuk the two referenses 1701 to the Bavon seath in the Book - "Was Beads Deary of an lealnown cocator - are intereting if the Book was authents EABOIOUSEVON CA DSIENSNNAGNS How lang before the Hinlon is to appear! Your very truly ETHIGIDDA JANOSaze Dnae JJubins. tale 2nd Kenb 12 oR FIIIALL EASIHS VTRALONA Anon 6
Gvening Standad PNONE: CITV 2040 (PAIVATE ExCHANGE) (EVENING SLANRARD CO.LTD.) TELFGRAMS--EVENING STANDARD, LONDON A7.SHOE LANE. ALL COMMUNICATIONS TO SE ADDRESSED TO THE COMPANY. LONDON.E.C.A. in your reply please referto 5th December 1929 D.J. Jenkins Esq. Dear Sir, The Editor desires me to thank you For your letter with reference to Richtofen which he has read with interest. He regrets, however, that we are unable to devote further space to the contro- versy which has already received very considerable attention. Yours faithfully, h. Poppn EDITORS SECRETARY.
RICHTHOFEN 2 WHO. BROUGHT DOWN -CSEDLLLLLLL -000000 E CEW. Beaa mowellof and To) The walter of the Crening Standard Ha Histozian Vistoria Barracks Tarigton 4/2/26 N.S. Wals. Sir As one who clearly saw the German Ace, Count Richthofen- sitting alone in his Red Triplane some 200 feet above the Somme and at about only 120 yards distant from me, and within 30 seconds of his death, I am interested in this controversy. I have expressed my view on a previous occasion that the two Dominions, Australia and Canada should shake hands over this historical event and each take its share of the credit - in my opinion fifty-fifty. I was greatly interested in Boyd Cables account of this great incident in the Evening Standard of the 2nd December, 1929 1f I may criticise his version, without offence, I would point out that, as one interested in the Aircraft Factory Workers, he appears to have investigated the matter by obtain- ing his information from the Air Force alone. I have many Press cuttings which include several from Australia and would point out that Gunner Evans has a letter from General Hobbs and a covering letter from General Rawlinson congratulating him upon his feat in bringing down Richthofen. According to the Official Records of Fighting Squadron No. 209 R.A.F., Capt. A. R. Brown, D.S.C., had brought down Richthofen from a height of 12,000 ft. near Beaucourt to an altitude of some 200 ft. above the village of Vaux—Sur—Somme. Lieut. May aleo was attacking Richthofen and credit must be given the British Air Force in bringing him down so near to When Richthofen passed across my view he was the earth. chasing Lieut. W. R. May, who was zig-zagging and Richthofen was Keenly following him less than 50 yards behind the tail Suddenly Lieut. May turned left across of May's machine. the copse on the edge of the high hill from which I was observing, followed by the Red Baron, and I thought they would both crash in the tree-tops. Machine Gun Firing from the air and from the ground caused me to look out before me and I saw these two machines pass hurriedly across my field of view straight in front of me about 150 ft. above the vaux road; and when the two machines passed over the trees on my left, and out of my sight, the Machine Gun Firing from the Capt. Von Richthofen had been decoyed ground increased. from 200 ft. above the Somme across the high hill on which the Bray Corble road runs and he fell within 1,000 yards of my Observation post, which was situated in the copse by the
of the 37a 200 It must Crucifix on the highest point of the Bray Corbie road. have been a matter of only half a minute later when he was shot- either by Machine Gun Fire from the ground (as claimed by the Australian - Gunner Evans), or from the air (as claimed by Capt. Brown, the Canadian who was attached to Fighting Squadron No. 209). In that period of 30 seconds Richthofen met his death and these two men each claim to have fired the fatal bullet! Capt. Brown claims to have been flying above the fleeing Lieut. May and the intrepid Richthofen, and to have fired theh fatal’ bullet downwards. ShEEVCVINC SCe One witness of the crash (according to your issue of the 29th Nov) states there was no other machine visible when Richthofen crashed. Does this necessarily mean that Capt. Brown was not there 7 I think not. He might have circled back immediately the German Ace fell to take the news back to Bertangles where his Squadron then was. On the other hand if Capt. Brown is sincere in his statement - and Gunner Evans also in his - would any living person be able to convince either of them that his was not the fatal bullet.2 I do not think so I do not know anything of air fighting, but it is no doubt an extremely exciting occupation, especially when one is firing at a "Bird he has brought down from 12,000 feet to nearly ground level. I can easily imagine Captain Brown's certainty on the point. As to aiming at a German Plane at a low altitude with a Lewis Gun, I know a little from experience of the excitement and can safely aver that Gunner Evans would not easily be turned from his belief that he alone was responsible for the capture of this red triplane that fell immediately he had fired at it with his machine gun. The Royal Air Force gave Capt. Brown a bar to his D.F.C. and presented him with Richthofen's Engine! Other members of No. 209 Squadron each took a piece of the bust as a memento. General Salmond of H.Q. R.A.F. wired congratulations to No. 209 Squadron and to Captain Brown, and General Rawlinson attended a dinner at No. 209 Squadron to celebrate Capt. All quite rightly: Because at all Brown’s achievement. events, whether Brown shot the Red Baron or not, he and Lieut. May and others had succeeded in bringing him down to the place of his crash. No account in my possession, however, states that General Rawlinson ever wrote Capt. A. R. Brown a letter of congratulation, as one, I have, states he sent to Gunner Evans!

31

Hand drawn diagram - see original document.

[*I am not 
clear now which
side he curled at the
last bit the way &
have shown on the opposite side*]

 

P.S.
Of course a proper PM might have been made
after I saw the body but I never
heard of it & do not think 

so.

DR. G. W. BARBER
CENTRAL ROAD.
KALAMUNDA. WA 32
TELEPHONE:
KALAMUNDA 101
Oct 23 1935

My dear Bean
With reference to your
letter of Oct 14th
I was inspecting this Air Force
Unit & found the medical orderly
washing Richtohofen's body

so I made an examination

There were only one two bullet
wounds, one of entry & one 
of exit of a bullet which

had evidently passed
through the chest & the heart
There was no wound of
the head but there was

considerable bruising over
the R. Jaw which may
have been fractured
The orderly told me that the
Consulting Surgeon of the
Army had made a post

mortem ^that morning & I asked how
he did it as there was
no evidence. The orderly 

 

told me that the Consg Surgeon

had used a bit of fencing
wire which he had pushed

along the track of the wound
& over the heart. I used
the same bit of wire for

the same purpose

So you see the medical

examination was not

a thorough one & not a
Post Mortem examn in
the ordinary sense of the term

a ^bullet hole in the side of the 
plane coincided with
the wound through the chest
& I am sure he was
shot from below while
banking.
I sent a full report to Gen Birdwood

at Aust Corps & have often
wondered what became of 
it
with kind regards
Yrs sincerely
George W Barber 

 

33
Central Rd
Kalamunda

Dec 22nd 1934

[*CEW Bean
This is a letter
I wrote but decided

not to send
as I hate these
paper controversies 

GWB*]
The Editor
The Daily News

Perth
Dear Sir
With reference to your

Article " How Richthofen died"
of todays date.

General Monash was in

error when stating that

Richtohofen was shot through
the head.
There were only two wounds
one of entry & one of exit 

of a bullet which had
evidently passed through the
heart.
I made an examination of the 
body & furnished a report to 
the Australian Corps Commander
I am 
Yrs faithfully
George W  Barber 

 

NOTE.-Kindly indicate hereunder the approximate site of the injury.

Diagram - see original document.

Richtofen
Approximate site of
exit & entry of bullet

I forget now which
was which but
think it was 
the site of entry
was the one in
the back
GWB

34 

 

35

Gresham Fire & Accident Insurance Society, Limited.
CHIEF OFFICE:- 188-190 FLEET STREET, LONDON, E.C.4.
Branch Office: Temple Courts,  
55, Temple Row,
Birmingham, 2.  4th June 1936.

BRANCH MANAGER:
DONALD J. JENKINS.
TELEPHONE:
MIDLAND 5402.
BUSINESS TRANSACTED.
FIRE.
LOSS OF PROFITS.
WORKMEN'S COMPENSATION.
BURGLARY.
HOUSEHOLDERS
"COMPREHENSIVE POLICY".
MOTORS.
PERSONAL ACCIDENTS.
FIDELITY GUARANTEES.
PUBLIC LIABILITY.
PLATE GLASS.
FORGED TRANSFERS.
PROPERTY OWNERS LIABILITY.
ENGINEERING.
C.E.W. Bean Esq.,

Commonwealth of Australia
Historian
Victoria Barracks,
Paddington, N.S.Wales.
Dear Sir.
Volume V. Appx. 4 
10 (M.S.)
In reply to your letter of the 22nd. Apl:
the information your require is as follows:-
DONALD J. JENKINS.
BORN: STAFFORD, ENGLAND.
DATE OF BIRTH: 1st. OCTOBER, 1883.
BELONG TO: STREETLY, Near BIRMINGHAM
ENGLAND.
PROFESSION:-  As ABOVE (PRIOR TO & SINCE THE WAR)
RETIRED with Rank of Lieutenant
DECORATIONS:  NONE. (beyond the usual two - Service
& Victory medals.
I have been interested in the 
controversies which have cropped up from
time to time regarding Baron von Richthofen
& guess you have my name from a letter I 
wrote to the Daily Telegraph (London) on 14thJany:
1928. This was followed by: Medical Testimony on
[*Noted

C.ewB*]] 

 

January 16th: & by your Description on January 20th: 1928.
I enclose a letter I wrote to the Editor of the
"Evening Standard" in December 1929 which you will
see was not printed. It is my summing up!
I have kept a copy so please tear it up when it has

served your purpose. I think the two references
to the Baron's death in the book - "War Birds -
Diary of an Unknown Aviator" - are interesting
if the book was authentic.
How long before the History is to appear?

Yours very truly,

Donald J. Jenkins.
late 2nd Lieut:
212, S.B
R.G.A. 

 

36

Evening Standard

(EVENING STANDARD CO.LTD.)

47, SHOE LANE,

LONDON, E.C.4.

PHONE: CITY 2040 (PRIVATE EXCHANGE)

TELEGRAPHS: "EVENING STANDARD, LONDON."

ALL COMMUNICATIONS TO BE ADDRESSED TO

THE COMPANY.

In your reply please refer to

5th December 1929

D.J. Jenkins Esq.

Dear Sir,

The Editor desires me to thank you

for your letter with reference to Richtofen which he

has read with interest.  He regrets, however, that

we are unable to devote further space to the
controversy which has already received very considerable

attention.

Yours faithfully,

[[M.Scott Johnston]]

EDITOR'S SECRETARY.

 

37

WHO  BROUGHT  DOWN  RICHTHOFEN ?

C.E.W Bean Esq.
Commonwealth of Australia.
To { The Editor of the "Evening Standard".

Historian

Victoria Barracks,

Paddington,

N.S.Wales.

[[D.J. Jenkins]]

4/6/36.

Sir,

As one who clearly saw the German Ace , Count Richthofen -

sitting alone in his Red Triplane some 200 feet above the 

Somme and at about only 120 yards distant from me, and within

30 seconds of his death,-I am interested in this controversy.

I have expressed my view on a previous occasion that the two
Dominions, Australia and Canada should shake hands over this

historical event and each take its share of the credit - in

my opinion "fifty-fifty."

I was greatly interested in Boyd Cable's account of this 

great incident in the "Evening Standard" of the 2nd December, 1929

If I may criticise his version, without offence , I would

point out that, as one interested in the Aircraft Factory

Workers, he appears to have investigated the matter by
obtaining his information from the Air Force alone.  I have many 

Press cuttings which include several from Australia and would

point out that Gunner Evans has a letter from General Hobbs

and a covering letter from General Rawlinson congratulating

him upon his feat in bringing down Richthofen.

According to the Official Records of Fighting Squadron

No. 209 R.A.F., Capt. A. R. Brown, D.S.C., had brought down

Richthofen from a height of 12,000 ft. near Beaucourt to an

altitude of some 200 ft. above the village of Vaux-Sur-Somme.

Lieut. May also was attacking Richthofen and credit must be

given the British Air Force in bringing him down so near to

the earth.  When Richthofen passed across my view he was

chasing Lieut. W. R. May, who was zig-zagging and Richthofen

was keenly following him less than 50 yards behind the tail

of May's machine.  Suddenly Lieut, May turned left across 

the copse of the edge of the high hill from which I was

observing, followed by the Red Baron, and I thought they

would both crash in the tree-tops. Machine Gun Firing from 

the air and from the ground caused me to look out before me

and I saw these two machines pass hurriedly across my field

of view straight in front of me about 150 ft. above the Vaux

road; and when the two machines passed over the trees on my

left, and out of my sight, the Machine Gun Firing from the

ground increased.  Capt. Von Richthofen had been decoyed

from 200 ft. above the Somme across the high hill on which

the Bray Corbie road runs and he fell within 1 ,000 yards of

my Observation post, which was situated in the copse by the

 

37a

2..

Crucifix on the highest point of the Bray Corbie road.  It must

have been a matter of only half a minute later when he was shot -

either by Machine Gun Fire from the ground (as claimed by the

Australian - Gunner Evans), or from the air (as claimed by

Capt. Brown, the Canadian who was attached to Fighting Squadron

No. 209). In that period of 30 seconds Richthofen met his

death and these two men each claim to have fired the fatal

bullet!

Capt. Brown claims to have been flying above the fleeing

Lieut. May and the intrepid Richthofen, and to have fired the his 

"fatal" bullet downwards.

One witness of the crash (according to your issue of the the "Evening Standard"

of the 29th Nov. 1939) states there was no other machine visible when

Richthofen crashed.  Does this necessarily mean that Capt. 

Brown was not there ? I think not.  He might have circled

back immediately the German Ace fell to take the news back to 

Bertangles where his Squadron then was.

On the other hand if Capt. Brown is sincere in his statement -

and Gunner Evans also in his - would any living person be able

to convince either of them that his was not the fatal bullet.?

I do not think so !

I do not know anything of air fighting, but it is no doubt

an extremely exciting occupation, especially when one is firing

at a "Bird" he has brought down from 12,000 feet to nearly

ground level.  I can easily imagine Captain Brown's certainty 

on the point.

As to aiming at a German Plane at a low altitude with a

Lewis Gun, I know a little from experience of the excitement,

and can safely aver that Gunner Evans would not easily be

turned from his belief that he alone was responsible for the

capture of this red triplane that fell immediately he had

fired at it with his machine gun.

The Royal Air Force gave Capt. Brown a bar to his D.F.C.

and presented him with Richthofen's Engine! Other members of

No. 209 Squadron each took a piece of the "bus" as a memento.

General Salmond of H,Q. R.A.F. wired congratulations to No.

209 Squadron and to Captain Brown, and General Rawlinson

attended a dinner at No. 209 Squadron to celebrate Capt.

Brown's achievement.  All quite rightly! Because at all

events, whether Brown shot the Red Baron or not, he and Lieut.

May and others had succeeded in bringing him down to the place

of his crash.  No account in my possession, however, states

that General Rawlinson ever wrote Capt. A. R. Brown a letter 

of congratulation, as one, I have, states he sent to Gunner

Evans!

 

 



 

Last edited by:
Sam scottSam scott
Last edited on:

Last updated: