Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/96/1 - January 1918 - Part 6

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First World War, 1914–18
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4517 time 4 FMSan Gocten get wohhy a t0 art 49 week for bed & breakfast & 6d forrachbath. Here it 15 $2.3.0 a week for bed vall deals except lunch. oreloas as coming here from next monday & possebly Col. Butter also. Only one soldier - an officer in the R.F.C is here at present Jan 24h. lunched with Mr Fished. He told me after lunch his real objection to consoniption in auatiatie I think he feels sensiting to croticin on the point, and was anxious to give noe the reason in his view ? If you like Ii tetl you] he said. Im not blid to the fact that conscription is logical o be said but men are not topical. It is remomical (as I had suggested) & saves a lat of waste of patting the bosory men in wrong places . I know & feet all the as well as you do. But men
are not tegieal & you cannot ll e bytagie. Inever believed that - if conscription were carried in austiatia - you could refore I. I think you would have had terrible troable if the bill had been passed ohers has been great trouble, as it co. I admitted - I see your point - insteed of getting the recruste they have only managed to divide custiale into two bitterly hostile camps - conscription issue has raised furions antog- onism. I don't believe that it was work is, to get the few men oxtrn who might have be raised by conscription, he sd Kings are going all wrong out there, he said satly. It is a very big worry to him I can see, & to Mrs Fisher, too, he says. Fishes
51 takes it all to heart so much. He can see that the Austiation Goot instead of getting the anti- IKeaight conscriptionests on a side (as it cd do by sutting them in power) is making kim (almost forcey them to became) more & move bostile to the was o to the Old country Fisher does not like a Coalition - I's not straight, be od. In the worst times as in the best, te dity of an opposition Eduel for 15 to criticue of just criticism crises: - & tin - if it is a crisis such as this war, after having made its criticiam, to stand aside o ler the Government act. The leaders of the opposition are more helpful that way tan in office8J can tell you, Bean that if is one of the ways in which a man elected to political office
52 keep straight & clean one can see to this last has been one o principal prevecupations of Fishers life how to keep simples straight in sotities I paid a visit to Southall hospital (for ansthns with beg amputations) yeateday in austraion order to see that The Res (way Cross has done in these merto support thenselves helfi Isaves ss wretchs efft of Maj. last you has quite fallen thro It us to be l5 a private committed to ptovide 45,000 for a workshyp I wired to austialie that I shd be a national affiiir since when nothing has bn done here till latily.
770 40 450 passed thro Southall last yar more in Jan 1988. are there now. X austration T bed provided, at a cour how small worksh b for euctrical ₤750 a acclifteng weldany Engineerig & carpentering the walls 200f are up_ & 1100 mew have cassed into Southall (& 800 gone out antraind) since the scheave was mooted; a they are tegs alone, arms now go out to Auatialea to be fitted. we wunt into a froom where there were 80 men without lgs & H oecer digligato A u of the tooked comfortable closs inletty seived a good paride al of man. There was a on that is to say) men who were at the stage of being fitted with legs were brought together the new limbs & see whether to try
54 those first issued were of the best sort for them, & good fits. some men had had them for one day only others for some weeks. But the rule is to the had to applar at these parades until they & Col. Gordon are satisfid the instrument makers rxpresiated a goungster who, I am told has 2 sham lep) was there. The officers paham Batter (who is collecting our medical history, Col. Goodon, Maj. Aspinal, + several ligless officers myself sat or stood at one end of room & one of men sitting around ws told to walk up room towas fordon, & then away again & ap again. Each one ws discassed - the firms. representation us told what we wrong wly & hadt
55 note it & get it altered or changed. me d walk only with sticks; The blus trousers of thes mew are made as two halves so to they can take 1 half wh covers. Some men their false leg. could walk a sticks only Balana onone leg was difficult some others cd walk without sticks; & one walked so well t Clonel asked if he ddran. He sd he could - & he ran I leagth of room - a lopsided sort of a hop of a run, all the spring in it being done with every alternate step when 1 good leg ws onground but stil a real run. one nice lookin chat a bis fellow from Sout Australia - had lost
Her Nor 56 I asked him when bot legs He said November SE Hewas in the dreedful attect by the 274 Bn & Irest of 7Bde on the trenched near (1) mage. When they scrambled up o ft over heddfermans waiting for them thickly were in their trenches- as plai as day. The m.g fire begame very hot & the live ws stopped & got into the Wholes at this part. In his shelhole a German shell caught him one legs &, either then shattered or later, apagment caught him ont back off head & knocked him silly for a coaple days of was cold & so he did It
not suffer from thirst - he had plenty of water, anyway. they He crawled at night abt 50 yards towards our lines & then gave it up finally He was hit on Sunday, the day ofattack; on Thursday night the 5th Battalion made a raid or had a patrol out. The Gernain wounded some of teis men stretcher bearers out for the 515 Bnmen found hhis the man of the 27R. Tey put on a stretcher but all him 5/60 were hit by mg. bullets she next day they came out under a white flag wa & carried the stretcher in. The Germans wounded had been very quick to shoot any man moving before
58 He was taken by Shorses this sleigh across the mied. on The aressing station he was taken to was shelled. & the casaatly clearing station far back near the rly was bombed. The shattered up was amputated & the other leg had to be cut of owing to fostbile It is one of the wort wonderful cases to I have heard because weather was cold wild winter, & the Ground horrible. the men at this hospital have a preference for one particular eg - the legwa leater bucket, where, the weight is borne mostly by the grip of I leather sleeve not by the stump. Ont whole the C.O. cets 1 men have leg they prefer even if be

The Cambrai Lady.
Limbs.
Meat queues
Front CAI
Goeben [[?]] abt Jan. 22.
Gerrin - Hirsting
Germy afraid of air offensive.
Trotsky talking to Germans
 

 

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week for bed & breakfast,
& 6d for each bath. Here it is
₤2.3.0 a week for bed & all
meals except lunch. Treloar
is coming here from next Monday-
& possibly Col. Butler also. Only
one soldier - an officer in the R.F.C.
is here at present.
Jan 24. Lunched with Mr Fisher.
He told me after lunch his real
objection to conscription in Australia
I think he feels sensitive to criticism
on the point, and was anxious to
give me the reason in his views - "If you
like I'll tell you," he said.
"I'm not blind to the fact that
conscription is logical," he said, "but
men are not logical." It is economical
(as I had suggested) & saves a lot of
waste - of putting the wrong men in
wrong places - I know & feel all that
as well as you do. But men

 

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are not logical & you cannot
rule them by logic. I never believed
that - if conscription were carried
in Australia - you could enforce it.
I think you would have had terrible
trouble if the bill had been passed -"
"There has been great trouble, as it
is,". I admitted - "I see your
point - instead of getting the
recruits they have only managed
to divide Australia into two
bitterly hostile camps - ^the conscription
issue has raised furious antagonism."
"I don't believe that it was
worth it, to get the few men extra
who might have be gained by
conscription," he sd.
"Things are going all wrong
out there," he said sadly. "This a
very big worry to him, I can see ;
& to Mrs Fisher, too, he says. Fisher 

 

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takes it all to heart so much-
He can see that the Australian
Govt instead of getting the anti-
conscriptionists on old the right side (as
it cd do by putting them in power)
is making them (almost forcing
them to become) more & more hostile
to the war & to the Old Country.
Fisher does not like a
Coalition - "It's not straight, he
sd - "In the worst times as in the
best, the duty of an opposition
is to criticise if just ^cause for criticism
arises; - & then - if it is a crisis
such as this war, after having made
its criticism, to stand aside & let
the Government act. The leaders of the
opposition are more helpful
that way than in office - & I
can tell you, Bean, that it is
one of the xxx ways in which
a man elected to political office 

 

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can keep straight & clean-"
One can see tt this last
has been one o / principal
preoccupations of Fishers life
- how to keep simple & straight in
politics.
I paid a visit to
Southall hospital (for Austrlns with
leg amputations) yesterday in
order to see that the Australian Red
Cross has done in I way of 
helping these men to support themselves,
Maj. Issacs Isaacs wretched effort of 
last year has quite fallen thro. ( It
ws to be xxx left to a private committee
to provide ₤5,000 for a workshop.
I wired to Australia that it shd be
a national affair - since when
nothing has been done here till lately. 

 

770 passed tho Southall last year
40 move in Jan 1918
450 are there now.
 

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The Red X (Australian) has 

now provided, at a cost of 

₤750, a xxxx small workshop for electrical
engineering, acetylene welding, 
& carpentering - the walls &
roof are up - & 1100 men have
passed into Southall (& 800 gone out
untrained) since the scheme was
mooted; & they are legs alone, -
arms now go out to Australia to
be fitted.
We went into a room where
there were 80 men without legs
& 4 officers, legless also. They
looked comfortable & most of them 

seemed a good intelligent xxx class
of man.  There was a "leg parade"
on - that is to say, men who

were at the stage of being fitted

with legs were brought together
to try the new limbs & see whether 

 

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those just issued were of the
best sort for them, & good fits.
Some men had had them for
one day only, others for some
weeks. But the rule is tt they
had to appear at these parades
until they & Col. Gordon are satisfied
- the instrument makers representative
(a youngster who, I am told, has
2 sham legs) was there. The
officers, Graham Butler (who is
collecting our medical history),

Col. Gordon, Maj. Aspinall,
several legless officers &
myself sat or stood at one end o /
room & one o / men sitting
around ws told to walk up /
room towds Gordon, & then away
again & up again. Each one
ws discussed - The firms
representative ws told what
ws wrong w / leg & had to 

 

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note it & get it altered or
changed. Some walk
walk only with sticks;
The blue trousers of these men are
made in two halves so tt they
can take off / half wh covers
their false leg. Some men xxx
could walk w sticks only. 

Balance on / one leg was difficult;
Some others cd walk without sticks;
& one walked so well tt / Colonel
asked if he cd run. He sd
he could - & he ran / length
o / room - a lopsided sort of
a hop of a run, all the spring
in it being done with every
alternate step when / good leg
ws on / ground - but still
a real run.

One nice looking chap 
- a big fellow from Queensland if
South Australia - had lost 

 

Flers

Nov 5.
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both legs. I asked him when?
He said "November 5th," He was
in the dreadful attack by the
27th Bn & / rest of / 7th Bde on
the trenches near / maze.
When they scrambled up & got
over, he sd, / Germans
were waiting for them thickly
in their trenches - as plain as
day. The m.g fire became
very hot & the line was
stopped & got into shellholes
at this part. In his shellhole
a German shell caught him,
shattered one leg; &, either then
or later, a fragment caught
him on / back of / head &
knocked him silly for a couple
of days.

It was cold & so he did 

 

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not suffer from thirst - he had
plenty of water, anyway.
They He crawled at night
abt 50 yards towards our lines
& then gave it up finally.
He was hit on Sunday, the day
o / attack; on Thursday night
the 5th Battalion made a raid or
had a patrol out. The Germans
wounded some of their men;
& the stretcher bearers out for
the 5th Bn men found this
man of the 27th. They put
him on a stretcher but all /
s/bs were hit by m.g. bullets.
The next day they came out
under a white flag w a
stretcher & carried the
wounded in. The Germans
had been very quick to shoot
on any man moving before 

 

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this. He was taken by 3 horses
on a sleigh across the mud.
The dressing station he
was taken to was shelled;
& the casualty clearing station,
far back near the rly was
bombed. The shattered leg was
amputated & the other leg had to be
cut off owing to frostbite.
It is one of the most
wonderful cases tt I have
heard, because / weather
was cold wild winter, &
the Ground horrible.
The men at this hospital
have a preference for one
particular leg - the leg w a
leather bucket, where, the
weight is borne mostly
by the grip of / leather sleeve,
& not by the stump. On /
whole the C.O. lets / men have
/ leg they prefer even if he
 

 
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