Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/94/1 - November - December 1917 - Part 2

Conflict:
First World War, 1914–18
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  • Documents and letters
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12 toe at hear a6 a 1 p in 1Nort heavybobabs an 1ae hour ago. Gour tine is wit be 12 (by theire). from leave. white came backa him as t how he regarded asking the new general alled staff wh Loyd feorp has sedup to advise alhed council of Frinetunders to me it seems an obvious sensible measure - so rigpo to i s a condunnation of our sta 20t to have sufisted it before. instead of wh they Lought it now. whith says of is a good they done inwrond way. St. 2s good move, but he tikes af a welson who sapgisted Henry Ser make a job for ordir li know wilson. Wheit Sir Henry ond canable very
13 urscrupalous Irishmano has captured doyd scorp, while thinks. Haig o Robertion were syongly against ct & th is win the army as a whole is. to to me it 50 I mustday indumnation Hay & Roberton to they were agt it, a more than th id nt tiscles supp to it, before. white agreed o this It will protably breed croable of Robertoon (wis not suie Hay information 6 he feeds the suppos wilson thy Lave to f9. will probable white is abaid t tis upsetin may being a lot of attercation in England & probably revolution. te think (war will end by revolution he wants to see revolutionin Finmany come first. Ir counts someos
19 really more fitter to step into there Haig shoes & Robertions. t wan be much of an apsatting of some were in dight who seally, was more man crevted casable. The troable is to here 15 one in sight [ That this arry has fought for 3years writons discoverin such a man is only be explained by 1 extraordinary British methed of choosing men not by weir capacity but by their breeding or lact or birth merely in some cases. White agreest his system is I blight of all English institutions, though he has some belief in tike. His only famity must have helda When his father, came ttt once, the knowledge of thes on evil days. kept his head o family tadition blow. high after blow upon
No 15 iy my but stove Nov. 17 SaF. as last, so I wrots an article for te evening papers it t wonderful what a deference a stowo maked to ones enclination to work. The firing of yeity sees t have cand 48 Sunday Iam 55. aday came to Boulefue with Coleman ward &nd willig. Withing I were turned back from the 11.15- boat as it takes only the leave offcers o men send of those on leave before thos on duty acobably rightl Wynter & I went i to White yesterday to submit the scheme for sectional histori (histories of the problems of the various arms)) which membrs are to be written 6 of the force. Gullett is reall the author of the sugjestign
The schene was cas cintad officers nm shd be chosen to collect the material - & to they hin shd consult w Treloas draw each one ago the seheme of his hidlory. minute we had white read the then pointed drawn up 5 like a flash that it did not provide for the two or thia definite things to be done wh wd set the oebene going. He spetel a sport der (in A.1 5. orders) gaveny o whe a everyone knowle writn being done to a suggestd colector material a difinite order to condull Freload d o up theschig wnter as he odd Taats Juas youd white
47 think is perfect wh you then untilhe has a took as then in twe or three stroke he that samatoriu tou iwhat i lack puts it right in one act. Beidword by the returnng Nixon Daf & the of resignation of two or thuce older generals has been a full general in1 Ladian arring. white has patar his major generalsstar &his serman decoration for 1 first time. Bordwood as soonas sreption Reperen an ws dcided on wrote to abl afis pointy lelers nece f 177X te
18 of a division breaking cre to be avirte The old Leberald under Asquit ary at Leoy gorge bot Ancet because of his speech in Paris pomisi fout cantrol by alties! tcy want sit him out of to power, othey mistrust the making of our generals responsible to any one ex people. Ba4 Briti th all have heard. ari I 6 a cxce fold army 6 his speech as enturit think so does count sene I can as far a Came to boat with wilhin to consult with relar abt a ptat paplicbrana a andon
of Enluance) Col. Hurtey is our member of the British was, myscams Committee - wh is collecting tropk, te Hurbery told me to our Light Hor se captured an early (I think 6x Centery pavement in I deserd there (I fancy it is one; wh mother ttts me of from a letter of Jack Bisdee - a pavement wh ws uncovered by I turks in trench digging). Our people brought it to Cairo & intended to send it to 1 Lydney Muscum. The British members of the Ctt objected, or some of them – British archacoly, isto sd this they we most valuable it cd not be taken to Sydney. It wd be a disasty to let it go there. Harly had a real row w 1 committee over this He told them pavement ws abready ours they and inspect it & take. photos if they liked but it wd be sent to Austialia Lord Beaverbrook told me to the Governor che Genl of Australia & Canada had written in to sayiy tt all I most unique or orreplaceable trapt isc be kept by 1 tios was Muscum in Londo e Beaverbrook 15 going to fight thi's took & nail. 20 Nov 19 ppent the day Monday. in conferences with oWilkers Col. Hurley, Treloar, as to establisheng a dark room & photog aphic branch of the A.W.R.S. - there is abandan work accumulating for it. grofits has decided to ship section into largequarters Hoveeferry Rd. It will at least 13rooms Nov. 20 La order e positivg of our civeing for record surposes visited Lord Beaver th morning Sot & J. He was in his raki sown mage not los de ond I thought
24 was ths effect of the undress. at the end of it be broached te mection of the control of the photgappers, which he had enduced gen Charteris to stace under Maj. Hope, a Canadian officer. [We protectid as the time immediately, against this being done by 40 without our being bytton informed or consulted. The new censor replied t be understood from general Charteris that we had bu consulted, & to any way the t control only applied to certain matters of sale. But Founthorpe, had wo was the only man who informed me of it, Sd to Beaverbrook had Seea Hurleys work & wanted to ake him in under his own control- I did not believe Harley thes somethen
22 apkeods sd made ane wonder if it were not true – it looked as if Harlly had had an offer made to him by 1 Canadians. of all of this we knew nothing whatever 7. has been Geaverbrook M tanadian Records iny has spent money Limself photos pictures laveakly 92 a cincia there about $10,000 have returned. $6000 being the result of his book on Canada in Flanders he now wants to recomp as much as he can of this a is going to ask the Cining committee for a quarter of their fund- $25,000 (this will amount to. He orgginal ided we to give this to charitable

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at 11 p.m. we cd hear a
heavy bombt there in / North abt an
hour ago (^11 pm our time - it wd be
12 by theirs).
White came back ^from leave I ws
asking him as to how he regarded
the new General Allied Staff wh
Lloyd George has set up to advise
/ Allied Council of Prime Ministers -
To me it seems as obviously
sensible measure - so right tt it
is a condemnation of our staffs
not to have suggested it before;
instead of wh they fought it now.
White says it is a good thing
done in / wrong way. It is a
good move, but he thinks it ws
Sir Henry Wilson. White knows
him - a very capable but
 

 

 

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unscrupulous Irishman; who
has captured Lloyd George, White
Thinks. Haig & Robertson were
strongly against it, & tt is why
the army as a whole is.
I must say tt to me it is
a condemnation of Haig & Robertson
tt they were agst it, &, more than tt,
tt they did not themselves support
it, before. White agreed to this.
It will probably breed trouble
 - Haig & Roberson will not give
Wilson the support information he needs - &
they will probably have to go.
White is afraid tt this upsetting
may bring a lot of altercation;
& he doesn't thinks / war
will end by revolution &

he wants to see / revolution in
Germany come first.
It wants someone
 

 

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really more fitted to step into 
Haig's shoes' & Robertsons. There
did because they are not there wdnt
be much of an upsetting if some
man existed were in sight who really was more
capable. The trouble is tt there
is none in sight. How That this
army has fought for 3 years without
discovering such a man is only
to be explained by / extraordinary
British method of choosing men
not by their capacity but by their
"breeding" or tact or birth merely
in some cases. White agrees tt this
system is / blight of the English
xxxx institutions, though he has
some belief in title. His only
family must have held a
title once, & , when his father came
on evil days, the knowledge of this
& / family tradition kept his head
high after blow upon blow. 

 

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Nov.17 Sat. A stove in my hut
at last; so I wrote an article
for the evening papers - it
is wonderful what a difference
a stove makes to ones
inclination to work.
The firing of yesty seems to have
ceased.
Nov 18. Sunday. I am 38 today.
Came to Boulogne with Coleman
Ward & Wilkins. Wilkins &
I were turned back from the
11.15 boat as it takes only
leave officers & men, - They
sent of those on leave before
those on duty; probably rightly.
[[?]] & I went in to
White yesterday to submit
the scheme for sectional histories
(histories of the problems of
the various arms) which
are to be written by members
of the force. Gullett is really
the author of the suggestions. 

 

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The scheme was that certain
officers names shd be chosen
to collect the material - & tt they
shd consult w Treloar to & then draw
up ^each one the scheme of his history.
White read the minute we had
drawn up; & then pointed out
like a flash that it did not
provide for the two or three definite
things to be done wh wd set the
scheme going. He sketch a short
order (in A.I.F. orders) giving
everyone knowledge of what ws
being done; & then the writing
to the suggested "Collectors of
material" a definite order to
consult Treloar & draw up
the scheme.
[[?]] as he came
out sd; "Thats just like
White. You draw up a 

 

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thing wh you think is perfect
until he has a look at it;
then in two or three strokes he
shows you that something
told you exactly what is lacking
& puts it right in one act."
Birdwood ; by the retirement
of Nixon & Duff, & the
resignation of two or three
older generals has become
a full General in / Indian
army. White has put up
his major General's star
& his Servian decoration
for /first time.
Birdwood as soon as
another Conscription Referendum ws
decided on, wrote a
letter to all officers pointing
out / fear & necessity for
reinforcements not xxxx if the 

 

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break up of a division
were to be averted.
The old liberals and the
Asquith are at - Lloyd
George tooth & nail
because of his speech in
Paris promising joint
control by / allies. They
want to get him out of
power, & they mistrust
the making of our generals
responsible to anyone exc.
the British people. But
all / army tt I have heard,
except on a xx some o / old army
think tt his speech ws entirely
sensible, & so does / country
as far as I can see.
Came over to London by
3.30 boat with Williams to consult
with Treloar abt a photographic branch in
London. 

 

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Col. Hurley ^(of ordnance) is our member of the British
War Museums Committee - wh is collecting trophies.
Hurley told me tt our Light Horse
captured an early (I think 6th Century)
pavement in / desert there (I fancy
it is one wh Mother tells me of from a
letter of Jack Bisdee - a pavement wh
ws uncovered by / Turks in trench
digging). Our people brought it to
Cairo & intended to send it to / Sydney
Museum. The British members of the Ctee
objected, or some of them - British archaeologists
sd this thing ws most valuable -
it cd not be taken to Sydney. It wd be
a disaster to let it go there. Hurley
had a real row w / committee over
this - He told them / pavement ws already
ours - they cd go and inspect it & take
photos if they liked - but it wd be sent to 
Australia.
Lord Beaverbrook told me tt the Governors
Genl of Australia & Canada had written in to / ctee
saying tt all / most unique or irreplaceable trophies cd
be kept by / British War Museum in London.
Beaverbrook is going to fight this tooth and nail.
 

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Nov 19. Monday. Spent the day
in conferences with
Col. Hurley, & Treloar & Wilkins as to
establishing a dark room &
photographic branch of the
A.W.R.S. - there is abundant 
work accumulating for it. Col
Griffiths has decided to ship the
section into larger quarters near
Horseferry Rd. It will occupy
at least 10 rooms.

Nov. 20. In order to get the one
original copies negative & one
positive of our cinema film
for record purposes we
visited Lord Beaverbrook 
this morning - [[?]] Treloar
& I. He was in his dressing
gown - rather haggard looking

I thought, but I dare say that 

 

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was the effect of the undress.
At the end of it be broached
the question of the control of
the photographers, which he had
induced Gen Charteris to place
under Maj. Hope, a Canadian 
officer. [We ^had protested at the time,
immediately, against this being
done by GHQ without our being
informed or consulted. ^Lytton the new
censor replied tt he understood from
General Charteris that
we had bn consulted, & tt any
way the tram control only
applied to certain matters of
sale. But Faunthorpe , had hinted
who Beaverbrook was the
only man who informed me of
it sd tt beaverbrook had
seen Hurleys work & wanted
to rake him in under his own
control - I did not believe
this. Hurle Something Hurley 

 

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afterwds sd made one wonder
if it were not true - it looked
as if Hurley had had an offer
made to him by / Canadians -
of all of this we knew nothing
whatever].
Beaverbrook has been
running the Canadian records
himself & has spent money
lavishly on pictures, photos,
& cinema. And These
have returned about £15000,
£4000 being the result of his
book on "Canada in Flanders."
He now wants to recoup
as much as he can of this -
& is going to ask the War Cinema
committee for a quarter of
their fund - £25,000 this will.
amount to. The original idea
ws to give this to charitable
 

 

 

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