Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/249/1 - 1917 - 1932 - Part 20

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Kildare 72 Keoyong Kest Road, Det e Hatthorn E2. 23rd Jay /32 C. E.W. Bean Esq. Victoria Barracks Paddington. NS W. Dear Mr Bean Yours of the 13th inst duly to hand & under seperate cover have scribbled a long rigmarole from which, you may be able to get the information you require I am not too sure of my dates, spelling of names of French towns & in the absence of a locality-plan the escact distances but these you have. A lot of personal matter can be culled out, as I just wrote straight ahead detailing events as they are now remembered by me Yours of the 19th inst just to hand today & contents noted. I regret that Lieut. Flintoft should have raised this matter as I purposely left it unmentioned except to state no trenches nor troops
Kildare 72 Keoyong Kest Road, Hatthorn E2. I am enclosing my recollections of this matter also a ground plan without contoins & not drawn to scale Am marking this letter "confidental. so that it remains with you whether the true reason for the English troops falling back on my immediate right is again "opened up. Hoping you are able to deduct what I mean from all I have written, as I am sure half an hour's conversation with you would have placed you in possession of all the facts much better than I can write them Yours faithfully JFraham Colllough Lieut. (now Capt) Hugh Boyd Dentist, of Sandringham. Vic. can, I fancy, corroberate most of what I enclose. gec. 10
tomnies faded. Boyd & Colcough put out men one ft. arty didat open preached Longe Shelllole gs masse treed to rust but repatsed 3 attempts is in shewhole then began to bout. We cont reach nox a mells. is had ings on mounds on et C. tris t ront ss from crate. Failed but on way back net 3ss pavy (jumped out at them). bayneted one & shot the other two pat frenades into shellhole. First grenade dis trick Then our arty tooks. go retd in post but held moun 10.10. p steller. doon- Gere mass attack. Our fire efectig at 200! Colcough then wd.
Seatlishlincs The 15th Infantry Brigade having finished a spell in billets around. Circus, Steinbeck, etc were marched via Morbeck & Steinworts to August Popperinghe about the end of Septender 1917. september During the second week in October the 58 Battalion were occupying hutments in "Dominion Ceamp? On the 19th & 20th of that month we of the 58th were "standing to all day & sleeping fully clothed with gear all ready to slip on On the 21st we moved up to Dickybush & rested nd there all night & portion of the 22. thence we preceeded via Hell Fire corner, Clapham Junction & Glencross copse to take over from the 6th Infantry Brigade, by tem that portion of the front captured in the Menin R. stunt of the 20th one Duc to heavy counter-battery firing, the darkness, & strange guides Nos 1 & 4 platoons of A Coy 58th Battn which were opposite to take over the outpost line. Cameron farm, from the 22nd Battn, drifted south + on reaching the support trenches held by a battalion of the Yorks & Lancs. had to turn north along the support line trench.
2 When we reached our position, the artillery fire on both sides had completely ceased & the "change-over was quickly accomplish -ed. I was a sergeant in ACoy & had had charge 4f No 1 platoon for some time owing to the shortage of officers. The 58th Buttalion for this trip up the line was in charge of our second-in-command Major Neil Freeman (Lt Colonel Deleney alsent) Lieut Hugh Boyd was in charge of A Ceoy (Capt. Bruce Forsyth aboent) with Lieut. W. Flintoff second-in-command No 2 platoon commander was Licut McKinlay No 4 platoon commander Lieut. O’Malley & I cannot now remember who had Licut, Flentoff's No. 3 platoon. Upon reaching our allotted positions which had, as regards A Coys ground, Nos 1 & 4 platoons in the outfosts. Nos 2 & 3 platoons in support with Company H.2. in a "full-box some few yards in the rear of the support trench, which was beautifully sited just over the vrow of the hill facing the enemy There was a short communication trench reaching forward down the hill towards
(2 the outpost line, for about 80 yards The outpostline itself was roughly 350 yds. east of the suppos line & was situated almost at the foot of the hill. A splendid field of fire could be established as very little dead ground occurred for at least 600 yds. No1 pilatoon was on the south outpost & our right lay almost on the old road leading to Camcion farm the remains of which lay to our right fiont. This platoon occupied an 85 yd. frontage & had the 8th Yorks & Lancs on our right (no trenches but occupying two high mounds or hills with a conciete will-vox on the more westerly hill) + on our left our own No.4 platoon, who were occupying a converted shell-hole. I, then found that I had charge of the platoon holding the extene right of the A.1.F. line 4 was the link between the & 4th armies. My frontage of 85yds. 3 was partly dug in (about 3 ft decp) for some 30 odd yords & reached out further easr into "no man's land" than the line either north or south, also that
the land to the immediate south declined in elevation until it came to the high mounds occupied by the English troops No trenches, nor troops, occupied this lower lying ground which lay to the south of the old road About 50 yards directly in front of the south end of my line lay a large shell hole about six feet deep and ten feet in circumference. All the ground for as far as one would see was shell holed but this particular one was outstanding. During the next forty-eight hours every -thing was quiet & I feelly occupied my men's time by making them digin into an idcal trench, ferc stepped - & even carted old planks from near Camerou farm to floor the bottom of the trench, which was wel. Then we dud a Louis-Sun Poet. ront forward, partly covering by fire our to our right front, where the officer-in-charge of the 8d Yorks & Lancs refused to dig in As the land fell away on our south I was able to carry my trench out so as to command this lower land
Re position of troops on the immediate south of 58 Battn position On the evening (the 22nd September I think) that A Coy 58t Battn took over from 22nd Battn I was in charge of No.1 plation holding an 85 yard front on the outpost line. After settling my men & awarding positions I started to establish lateral communic -ation. Lieut O'Malley in charge of W0. 4 platoon was on my left & we were nearly joined up by a shallow trench. On my right there was no trench nor an indication of an outpost. I left Corp Mascord in charge & whent out see myself is where the post on my right lay & who occupied it. After some trouble crossing the lower lying ground I came to a large mound of some. 40 ft in height on the top were two full boxes & theie 8 found. two 2nd Gieutenants and some 150r 20 men belonging to the 7/5th Yorks & Lancs. I established communication + asked them of they were not going to digin & join up with my platoon.
One of the 2nd Liciels replied that he had not enough men to dig all that distance, that he had men on the forward. slope of the first hill posted with Lewis guns & lastly that they were to be relieved the next night or at latest the night after. I returned & reported to Coy H.2. The following evening no English troops. communicated with us. On the evening of 24 t/25d I was ordered by Lieut Boyd. to again establish communication. I went again myself & found a "change-over et it had just been effected & that the 7/16 Middlesex now held the Carlisle Farm post. Again two 2nd Lieuts were in charge & they thought it beneath their dignity to even take suggestions from an Australian sergeant. Irecurned & got Lieut. Boyd + I think Sergeant- Major Bustow, & we again set out for Barliste Farm. At jurst I missed my direction & got out amongst the troken barb were near Cameion farm, fut at last recognising a place from where my voys had been carrying timber for the bottom of our trench. I guided our
--- 1 8 p 2 Lowest portion of ground. Barbwire cut & partially buried by artilley fire. 60 06. 7as 400 N. M woad The Hunp 2 5 Ordy 18t. Shoul Slope to least a Coy. 1 E communieation & south. Slew. & malley &rant. Crench 350 42 65 :erigade Dump. Oca road laygs Shell Hole, It 85 ✓O Camewn Oyai. 25 s 2 0- About 200 Highest soing earlisle yarm Mene 8.

Acknowledged
26/5/32
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Kildare
72 Kooyong Koot Road,
Hawthorn E2.
23rd May /32
C. E.W. Bean Esq.
Victoria Barracks
Paddington. N.S W.
Dear Mr Bean
Yours of the 13th inst duly to hand
& under seperate cover have scribbled a
long rigmarole from which, you may
be able to get the information you require
I am not too sure of my dates, spelling
of names of French towns & in the absence
of a locality-plan the exact distances
but these you have. A lot of personal
matter can be culled out, as I just wrote
straight ahead detailing events as they
are now remembered by me.
Yours of the 19th inst just to hand
today & contents noted. I regret that
Lieut. Flintoft should have raised this
matter as I purposely left it unmentioned
except to state "no trenches nor troops"
 

 

2.
Kildare
72 Kooyong Koot Road,
Hawthorn E 2.
I am enclosing my recollections of
this matter also a ground plan
without contours & not drawn to scale
Am marking this letter "confidential."
so that it remains with you whether
the true reason for the English troops
falling back on my immediate right
is again "opened up."
Hoping you are able to deduct what
I mean from all I have written, as
I am sure half an hour's conversation
with you would have placed you
in possession of all the facts much better
than I can write them
Yours faithfully
JGraham Collough
Lieut. (now Capt) Hugh Boyd, Dentist, of
Sandringham. Vic. can, I fancy, corroborate
most of what I enclose. JGC.
PTO

 

Tommies faded.
Boyd & Colcough put out men one fl.
arty did at open go reached long Shellhole.
Gs massed tried to rush but repeated 3 attempts
Gs in shellhole then began to bomb. We cdnt reach
w shells. Gs ^now had mgs on grounds on rt
C. tried to rout Gs from crater. Failed but on way
back met 3 Gs passing (jumped out at them).
bayoneted one & shot the other two put grenades into
shellhole. First grenade did trick.
Then our arty [[broke.?]] Gs retd in post but held ground.
10.10. Gs shelled.
noon - Germ. mass attack. Our fire effective at 200.
Colcough then wd.

 

 

The 15th Infantry Brigade having finished a
spell in billets around. Circus, Steinbeck, etc
were marched via Morbeck & Steinwortz to
Popperinghe about the end of ^August September 1917.
During the second week in ^ September October the 58th 
Battalion were occupying hutments in
[*Scottish lines*] "Dominion Camp(?) On the 19th & 20th of
that month we of the 58th were "standing
to" all day & sleeping fully clothed with
"gear" all ready to slip on. On the 21st
we moved up to "Dickybush" & rested
there all night & portion of the 22nd.
thence we preceeded via Hell Fire corner,
Clapham Junction & Glencross copse to
take over from the 6th Infantry Brigade,
that portion of the front captured ^ by them in
the Menin R. stunt of the 20th inst.
Due to heavy counter-battery firing, the
darkness, & strange guides Nos 1 & 4
platoons of A Coy 58th Battn which were
to take over the outpost line. opposite
Cameron farm, from the 22nd Battn, drifted
south & on reaching the support trenches
held by a battalion of the Yorks & Lancs.
had to turn north along the support line
trench. 

 

2.
When we reached our position, the artillery
fire on both sides had completely ceased
& the "change-over" was quickly accomplished.
I was a sergeant in A Coy & had
had charge of No 1 platoon for some time
owing to the shortage of officers.
The 58th Battalion for this "trip up the line"
was in ^ the charge of our second-in-command
Major Neil Freeman (Lt Colonel Deheney
absent) Lieut Hugh Boyd was in charge
of A Coy (Capt. Bruce Forsyth absent) with
Lieut. W. Flintofft second-in-command.
No 2 platoon commander was Lieut McKinlay
No 4 platoon commander Lieut. O’Malley &
I cannot now remember who had Lieut,
Flintofft's No. 3 platoon. Upon reaching our
allotted positions which had, as regards
A Coys ground, Nos 1 & 4 platoons in
the outposts. Nos 2 & 3 platoons in support
with Company H.2. in a "pill-box" some
few yards in the rear of the support
trench, which was beautifully sited just
over the brow of the hill facing the enemy.
There was a short communication trench
reaching forward down the hill towards
 

 

the outpost line, for about 80 yards.
The outpost line itself was roughly 350 yds.
east of the support line & was situated
almost at the foot of the hill. A splendid
field of fire could be established as very
little "dead ground" occurred for at
least 600 yds. No1 platoon was on the
south outpost & our right lay almost on
the old road leading to "Cameron Farm"
the remains of which lay to our right
front. This platoon occupied an 85 yd.
frontage & had the 8th Yorks & Lancs
on our right (no trenches but occupying
two high mounds or hills with a concrete
pill-box on the more westerly hill) &
on our left our own No.4 platoon, who
were occupying a converted shell-hole.
I, then found that I had charge of the
platoon holding the extreme right of
the A.I.F. line & was the link between the
[*(?)*] 3rd & 4th armies. My frontage of 85yds.
was partly dug in (about 3 ft deep) for
some 30 odd yards & reached out
further east into "no man's land" than
the line either north or south, also that
 

 

4.
the land to the immediate south declined
in elevation until it came to the high
mounds occupied by the English troops.
No trenches, nor troops, occupied this lower
lying ground which lay to the south of
the old road.
About 50 yards directly in front of the
south end of my line lay a large shell
hole about six feet deep and ten feet
in circumference. All the ground for
as far as one would see was shell holed
but this particular one was outstanding.
During the next forty-eight hours everything
was ^fairly quiet & I fully occupied my
men's time by making them "dig in" into
an "ideal trench", Five stepped - & even
carted old planks from near Camerou
Farm to floor the bottom of the trench, which
was wet. Then we dug a Louis-Gun Post.
forward, partly covering by fire our the front
to our right front, where the officer-in-charge
of the 8d Yorks & Lancs refused to "dig in"
As the land fell away on our south I
was able to carry my trench out so as
to command this lower land 

 

Re position of troops on the immediate south
of 58 Battn position
On the evening (the 22nd September I think) that
A Coy 58th Battn took over from 22nd Battn I
was in charge of No.1 platoon holding an
85 yard front on the outpost line. After
settling my men & awarding positions
I started to establish lateral communication. 
Lieut O'Malley in charge of No. 4
platoon was on my left & we were
nearly joined up by a shallow trench.
On my right there was no trench nor
an indication of an outpost. I left
Corp Mascord in charge & whent out
myself to ^ see where the post on my right
lay & who occupied it. After some trouble
crossing the lower lying ground I came
to a large mound of some. 40 ft in height
on the top were two full boxes & there
8 found. two 2nd Lieutenants and some
15 or 20 men belonging to the 1st/8th Yorks &
Lancs. I established communication &
asked them of they were not going to
dig in & join up with my platoon.
 

 

2.
One of the 2nd Lieut's replied that he had
not enough men to dig all that distance;
that he had men on the forward
slope of the first hill posted with Lewis
guns & lastly that they were to be relieved
the next night or at latest the night
after. I returned & reported to A Coy H.Q.
The following evening no English troops.
communicated with us. On the evening
of 24 th/25th I was ordered by Lieut Boyd.
to again establish communication. I went
again myself & found a "change-over"
had just been effected & that the 1st/16th
Middlesex now held the Carlisle Farm
post. Again two 2nd Lieuts were in charge
& they thought it beneath their dignity
to even take suggestions from an Australian
sergeant. I returned & got Lieut. Boyd,  &
I think Sergeant-Major Bustow, & we again
set out for Carlisle Farm. At first I missed
my direction & got out amongst the broken
barbwire near Cameron Farm, but at
last recognising a place from where my
boys had been carrying timber for the
bottom of our trench. I guided our
 

 

*Diagram see original document*

Lowest portion of ground.
Barbwire cut & partially
buried by artilley fire.
 

 
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