Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/247/1 - 1917 - 1933 - Part 5

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FL.4151 eerere segerre 5474. 10 February 1930. A.R. Compton, Esq.. "Beverley 24, Balmain Road, Leich ardt, N.5. Dear Sir, I am writing up the narrative of the First Battle of Bullecourt for the Official History. Captain Gardiner happened to mention the other day that, in the middle of this scrap, you came to him with a ration of rum, which you insisted on his drinking. I had never heard the story before, and would be grate- ful if you would let me know how the rum got through and how it was distributed. I enclose a stamped and addressed envelope for your reply Yours faithfully, Official Historian.
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Rayleigh N Point Lonsdale A 29th March 1924 W C E Bean Eso. Historian Tuggranong Federal Territory via Queanbeyan N SW Dean Mr Bean has written and informed me that he has Mr Barrett some maps kindly given,to nim for me, and which I will get next time I go to town. I highly appreciate your kindness and as I have said before any military correspondence I have will always be at your disposal. I trust Mr Barrett's retainer can be ex¬ tended beyond 30th June next. His assistance has been of great value to me. You were good enough to offer to assist me and whilst I don't want to abuse your offer I would like some assistance in reference to the first battle of Bullecourt which I am just about to describe. I will give you my general impressions and then indicate one or two points on which I would like enlightenment. I look on General Gough as a man of considerable couragebut of mediocre intellect, and saturated with that prev- alent optimism;which in the late war would have aften been grot- esque but for its continually tragic consequences. He was also a lazy man disinclined to, intellectual thinking,obstinate, and The success of Allenbys offen- backed up by an extremely,stafi. sive at Arras was grossly overestimated by that officer also an optimist)and his communications to Gough led that General to think that the German army was on the point of disintegration,and that he (Gough) could break through onwhis front without trouble and chase them to Berlin,incidentally gaining a great reputation. This idea became an obsession with Gough, and o evidence to the contrary was allowed to interfere with, alluring picture. Australian protests were treated with contempt and he determined at all costs to bullock his idea through. The plan of a surprise attack with tanks seems to have originated with Major Watson their commander,and to have been adopted off hand by Gough. After the fiasco of the 1Oth April when the show had been given away and a surprise was no longer possible, why the attack was not abondoned — as surprise was the "essence of the contract and especially after the Fleurbaix example--is beyond me. Some say that Colonel Peck (14th) then de- clined to accept responsibility for the result. I understand the Germans took advantage of the interval (between 1Oth and 1th April)to bring up thousands of storm troops,and made the attempt
absolutely impossible. The tanks appear to have failed very badly. I re- cognise they did not receive fair play and the personnel was ex¬ hausted,but their effort (as a body)appears to have been very fé feeble. The 62nd Division's part in the battle on the left appears to have been purely ornamental. It is alleged that that Division was not to attack Bullecourt until it had been attacked by the 46th and 48th Battalions A I F. In other words two Battalions were to clean out the position and then a division was to walk in after the job had been done. Assuming that to be correct t the 62nd seems to have made no effort even to assist the Austral ians in the retreat. That division failed badly again on the 3rd May and its record is not a creditable one. The4th Division Artillery appears to have been very p poorly handled in the engagement, the sum total of its achievement being practically to butcher a lot of our wounded at the end of the battle. I would feel obliged if you could advise me how far my general impressions are correct and give me what details you feel you can-consistently with your duties as official historian—in reference to the tanks,the part played by the 62nd Division, and our 4th Division artillery. The story of the Battle has never aware)been written and I am very anxious to get (so far dar a clear grasp of the facts. Thanking you in anticipation, Yours-sincerely Nenston Harrlild
8th May, 1924. CONFIDENTIAL. N. Wanlise, Esg., "Rayleigh' Point Lonseale, Vic. Dear Mr. Wanliss, I am sorry that I have left your questions of March 29th pass so long without an answer. I don't really know enough about Cough to be sure of the nature of his intellect, but he had no grasp of the principles shich were necessary for the control of great offensives in the late war. He was a cav¬ alry officer and would have been an excellent dashing patrol¬ leader, but he made many gross mistakes with his arzy. His worst fault, we used to think, was his tendency to undertake partial and disjointed attacks on narrow sectors. His chief-of- staff cannot I think have been an officer of eufficient grasp, or he would probably have prevailed on his general to prevent some of these attacks. I wouldn't say, however, that his staff was extremely inefficient. I personally think that Cough was a very bad genaral, impulsive, and thoughtless, and he probably made great difficulties for his staff. Gough's notion at Bullecourt sas to break in behind the rear of the enemy. Strategically it was a good move but he overlooked all the tactical diffioulties, and his plan of attacking the Bullecourt re-entrant was an impossible one. I think he was probably anxious to have a hand in the Arras fight- ing, poscibly from mixed motives, but especially because he was optimistic about his chance of breaking in upon the enemy's flank and rear. Birdwood of course thoroughly disliked the Bullecourt plan, but could not prevail with Cough. The Tank Corps had always been urging that the proper way for using tanks was in mass. This was the first
2. attept, but the tanks were then comparatively weak instruments and there were not enough of them. Later at Cambrai, Hamel, and in the Battle of Amiens they were exployed according to this theory with great success. The tanks used at Bullecourt, how¬ ever, were slow and weak, and not impervious against machine-gun fire. Our experience of them in later years was that they were manned by very game officers and crews, but I think on this occas s ion they were dazed through rough handling. I don't think it is the crews that you must blame, but the tank of that date. As to the "surprise" of the 1Oth and !ith, I was inclined to think that the assembly on the 1Oth must have been observed by the enemy, and that he must have realised what it meant. I have since been through some of the German records, which seem to show quite clearly that the Cerman staff had no suspicion that its line was so nearly attacked on the 1Oth. Some of the troops on that day must have been observed, but the meaning of their movements must have been misunderstood. Again with regard to the 62nd Division, the orders were sonewhat as follows. The 4th Australian Division was to deliver a surprise attack at dawn with twelve tanks. If this attack succeeded three tanks were to move through Bullecourt and then back through the enemy's wire, breaking it down in front of the 62nd Division. Upon this being done the 62nd would attempt to deliver an assault by daylight through the gaps in the wire made by the tanks. Only one tank actually reached Bulle- court or its outskirts, and none broke through the wire in front of the 62nd Division. The attack by the 4th Division had been assisted by the fact that it was made at dawn, and that it was to some extent at least a surprise; and also by the fact that the tanks undoubtedly attracted much of the enemy's attention at the tine when he would have otherwise been firing on the infantry. The 62nd was afterwards appealed to, to deliver an attack on the flank, and I believe its comander refused to do so. In my opinion he was right. The ground over which his troops would
have had to move was as flat as a tennis-court. To attempt any operation over it without artillery, in plain daylight, after the enemy had been well awakened by our operations, would simply have meant the annihilation of any brigade which he put at the task. No Australian commander, I think, would have attempted it. I have felt that the criticiem often loosely levelled by our men at the 62nd Division was never fair. I was there at the time of both attacks and sas the position and the ground; and the fact that the 62nd was a Territorial Division, and per¬ haps not one of the best, has I am sure nothing whatever to do with the result. In the same way the artillery of the 4th Division acted as it was told to do. The attack was to be made without bombardsent, and as far as I know, or could see at the time, the divisional artillery carried out its task as ordered. Its instructions were, so far as I know, to barrage the German trenches as soon as the troops were driven from them. At such a time it is inevitable that there should be wounded lying about the ground which its own artillery is shelling. The alternative would be to withhold shell-fire, but that would only allow the enery to pour his fire upon any troops who might be later than the others in retiring, and on this occasion the 48th Battalion was in the line on the left for an hour longer than the others. I have not yet been able to study the orders given during the battle, so I am speaking from zy recollection; but I doubt if the artillery could be fairly blamed. The blame in this;action must I think be borne by the man who planned it, and that wis Gough. Yours sincercly. C. E. W. SEAN
Rayleigh Confidential ------------- Point Lonsdale 15th May 1924 C E WBean Esd. Tuggranang Federal Territory enclosure. Dear Mr Bean I am in receipt of yours of the 8th inst.and thank you for your clear and lucid answers to my questions. Not having seen the terrain is of course a great handicap to me. I realise the magnitude of your work and thorõüghly understand the cause of your delay in replying. Your opinion of Gough largely coincides with my own. He was evidently a man dominated not by reason but by impulse. In reference to his staff Philip Gibbs (Realities of War p.3891 states" I found a general opinion, among officers and men, under the command of the Bifth Army, that they had been the victims of atrocious staff work, tragic inits con- sequences. From what I saw of some of the Fifth Army staff officers I was of the same opinion........ Battalion officers and divisional Staffs, raged against the whole of the Fifth Army organisation,or lack of organisation,with an extreme passion of speech. I quite realise the soundness of the strategy at Bullecourt as you state but a strategical scheme which ignores the tactical factor is foredoomed to failure. And away at the back of Gough's incompetence in my opinion Haig incurs a heavy responsibility. Qui fecit per alium fecit per se. If a Commander-in-Chief persists in utilising an incom- petent subordinate after his repeated failures he incurs in my opinion an awful responsibility. If Haig were spending his own money for any purpose he would undoubtedly go to where he would be best served,yet where hundreds of thousands of valuable lives are concerned he is prepared to leave them in the hands of an admittedly incompetent man for peasons of friendship or otherwise. The British Army is not run on bus- iness lines. Gough was not removed after Bullecourt. In reference to the tanks in my opinion there were far too few in this battle. If there had been 250 avail- able instead of 12 there might have been a chance,but 12 was ridiculous especially with the incomplete mechanicism of the tanks of that date. Captain Jacka,Captain Dunworth (15th Btn) and other officers have told me that the tank officers in that engagement absolutely lacked confidence. Perhaps they knew the attack was hopeless. At all events their conduct was not marked by courage or vigour.
In reference to the"surprise"of the 10th April I can only say that Captain Dunworth,Sergt Dalitz(of the 14th who speaks German fluently)and other ex prisoners have in- formed me that they were told by German officers that after the fiasco of the 10th the German staff realised what was coming,and rushed up during that day thousands of storm troops and made every preparation for the contest. It was a repit- ition of Fleur Baix exactly. As regards the 62nd Division I am glad of your statement which clears up matters,but one cannot help noticing the extremely subordinate position allotted to that Division in the battle. The Australians were evidently in- tended"to do the trick" In reference to the artillery it may have obeyed orders,but its observation officers and others seemed to me to have been obsessed with the same optimism that possessed Gough. Messages from the front (from the men who were in the actual firing line) were treated with conpempt, and the S.O.S signals frequently sent up(Captain White in The fighting Thirteenth"says 18 times), either not noticed or disregarded. I might mention that Colonel Leane (C.O 48th Btn) had exactly the same experience at Passchendaele; the 4th Division artillery disregarded his S.O.S signals and Leane was severly wounded when again futilely endeavouring to get artillery support. I could write much more on this most inter- esting subject but must again thank you for the fullness and clearness of your explanation,and also assure you that when you write the account of the battle all my contributions will be at your disposal. Yours sincerely Kantont Warhide I am enclosing the War record of my old school which holds its Diamond Jubilee next month. Its record for its size must I think be unique in Australia. It is worth a perusal.

FL.4151
5474.
10 February 1930.
A.R. Compton, Esq.,
"Beverley",
24, Balmain Road,
Leichardt, N.S.W.
Dear Sir,
I am writing up the narrative of the First Battle of
Bullecourt for the Official History. Captain Gardiner happened
to mention the other day that, in the middle of this scrap, you
came to him with a ration of rum, which you insisted on his
drinking. I had never heard the story before, and would be grateful

if you would let me know how the rum got through and how it
was distributed.
I enclose a stamped and addressed envelope for your reply.
Yours faithfully,
C.E.W. Bean

Official Historian.
 

 

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"Benerley"

211 Balmain Rd
Leichardt
12.2.30
12. 2420
Mr C.E.W Bean

Official Historian 

(5474)
Dear Sir.
Well I remember asking Capt.
Gardiner to have a nip of rum. Having made

it a practice to carry a water bottle full of

same when in the line, experiance taught

me that many men required a bracer

when conditions had been warm, or were

warm. There was no rum brought forward

to us whilst we were in the

Hindenburg line 11-4-17 to my knowledge. In

fact not even a bomb. let alone rum

came forward. Capn. Gardiner was one of

many when I gave a nip to that day

In fact Mr Dean to be exact, I had

two bottles full of rum on this occassion

because, having gone to do this attack.

on the 10-4-17 were turned back & whilst

on the return journey, I soon ran out

of rum so deemed it wise to carry more

knowing we were in for a good dusting

up, at least that was my thoughts>
 

 

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When we were told that the attack would

be on the following morning. that wis

how the rum was there. I always

remember the stunt as Bellecourt.

because the 13th & 16th attacked there.

However should you wish itI could

 give you a good detail of the whole

affair. Trusting I have given you the

desired information. By the way I had

quite a job to parcel up Capt Garniner

he has the nip. Why I do not know,

Dean inclined to think Cap Gardiner though I was having

a job with him, I may add I never

drank rum the smell was enough

for me.

Yours' faithfully

Albert R, Compton
 

 

Bullecourt

Rayleigh
Point Lonsdale
29th March 1924
W
C. E. W Bean Esq.
Historian
Tuggranong
Federal Territory
via Queanbeyan N SW
Dean Mr Bean
Mr Barrett has written and informed me that he has
some maps kindly given by you to him for me, and which I will get next
time I go to town. I highly appreciate your kindness and as I
have said before any military correspondence I have will always
be at your disposal. I trust Mr Barrett's retainer can be extended

beyond 30th June next. His assistance has been of great
value to me.
You were good enough to offer to assist me and whilst
I don't want to abuse your offer I would like some assistance in
reference to the first battle of Bullecourt which I am just about
to describe. I will give you my general impressions and then
indicate one or two points on which I would like enlightenment.
I look on General Gough as a man of considerable
courage (but of mediocre intellect, and saturated with that prevalent

optimism which in the late war would have aften been grotesque

but for its continually tragic consequences. He was also
a lazy man disinclined to, intellectual thinking,obstinate, and
backed up by an extremely inefficient staff. The success of Allenby's

offensive at Arras was grossly overestimated by that officer (also an
optimist) and his communications to Gough led that General to think
that the German army was on the point of disintegration,and that
he (Gough) could break through on  this front without trouble and
chase them to Berlin, incidentally gaining a great reputation.
This idea became an obsession with Gough, and no evidence to the
contrary was allowed to interfere with this alluring picture. Australian
protests were treated with contempt and he determined at all costs
to "bullock" his idea through.
The plan of a surprise attack with tanks seems to
have originated with Major Watson their commander, and to have
been adopted off hand by Gough. After the fiasco of the 10th
April when the show had been given away and a surprise was no
longer possible, why the attack was not abandoned — as surprise
was the "essence of the contract" and especially after the Fleurbaix
example–is beyond me. Some say that Colonel Peck (14th) then 

declined to accept responsibility for the result. I understand
the Germans took advantage of the interval (between 10th and 11th
April) to bring up thousands of storm troops,and made the attempt
 

 

absolutely impossible.
The tanks appear to have failed very badly. I recognise

they did not receive fair play and the personnel was exhausted,

but their effort (as a body)appears to have been very fe
feeble.
The 62nd Division's part in the battle on the left appears
to have been purely ornamental. It is alleged that that Division
was not to attack Bullecourt until it had been attacked by the
46th and 48th Battalions A I F. In other words two Battalions
were to clean out the position and then a division was to walk
in after the job had been done. Assuming that to be correct the
the 62nd seems to have made no effort even to assist the Australians

in the retreat. That division failed badly again on the 3rd
May and its record is not a creditable one.
The 4th Division Artillery appears to have been very p
poorly handled in the engagement, the sum total of its achievement
being practically to butcher a lot of our wounded at the end of
the battle.
I would feel obliged if you could advise me how far my
general impressions are correct and give me what details you feel
you can–consistently with your duties as official historian—in
reference to the tanks, the part played by the 62nd Division, and
our 4th Division artillery. The story of the Battle has never
(so far as i am aware) been written and I am very anxious to get
a clear and accurate grasp of the facts. Thanking you in anticipation,
Yours sincerely
Newton Wanliss
 

 

8th May, 1924.
CONFIDENTIAL.
N. Wanliss, Esg.,
"Rayleigh"
Point Lonsdale, Vic.
Dear Mr. Wanliss,
I am sorry that I have left your questions of
March 29th pass so long without an answer. I don't really know
enough about Gough to be sure of the nature of his intellect,
but he had no grasp of the principles which were necessary for
the control of great offensives in the late war. He was a cavalry

officer and would have been an excellent dashing patrol-

leader, but he made many gross mistakes with his army. His
worst fault, we used to think, was his tendency to undertake
partial and disjointed attacks on narrow sectors. His chief-of-
staff cannot I think have been an officer of sufficient grasp, or
he would probably have prevailed on his general to prevent some
of these attacks. I wouldn't say, however, that his staff was
extremely inefficient. I personally think that Gough was a
very bad general, impulsive, and thoughtless, and he probably
made great difficulties for his staff.
Gough's notion at Bullecourt was to break in
behind the rear of the enemy. Strategically it was a good move
but he overlooked all the tactical diffioulties, and his plan of
attacking the Bullecourt re-entrant was an impossible one. I
think he was probably anxious to have a hand in the Arras fighting, 

possibly from mixed motives, but especially because he was
optimistic about his chance of breaking in upon the enemy's
flank and rear. Birdwood of course thoroughly disliked the
Bullecourt plan, but could not prevail with Gough.
The Tank Corps had always been urging that the
proper way for using tanks was in mass. This was the first
 

 

2.
attempt, but the tanks were then comparatively weak instruments
and there were not enough of them. Later at Cambrai, Hamel, and
in the Battle of Amiens they were employed according to this
theory with great success. The tanks used at Bullecourt, how¬
ever, were slow and weak, and not impervious against machine-gun
fire. Our experience of them in later years was that they were
manned by very game officers and crews, but I think on this occasion

they crews were dazed through rough handling. I don't think it is
the crews that you must blame, but the tank of that date. As to
the "surprise" of the 10th and 11th, I was inclined to think that
the assembly on the 10th must have been observed by the enemy,
and that he must have realised what it meant. I have since been
through some of the German records, which seem to show quite
clearly that the Cerman staff had no suspicion that its line was
so nearly attacked on the 10th. Some of the troops on that day
must have been observed, but the meaning of their movements must
have been misunderstood.
Again with regard to the 62nd Division, the
orders were somewhat as follows. The 4th Australian Division
was to deliver a surprise attack at dawn with twelve tanks. If
this attack succeeded three tanks were to move through Bullecourt
and then back through the enemy's wire, breaking it down in
front of the 62nd Division. Upon this being done the 62nd would
attempt to deliver an assault by daylight through the gaps in the
wire made by the tanks. Only one tank actually reached Bullecourt

or its outskirts, and none broke through the wire in front
of the 62nd Division. The attack by the 4th Division had been
assisted by the fact that it was made at dawn, and that it was to
some extent at least a surprise; and also by the fact that the
tanks undoubtedly attracted much of the enemy's attention at the
time when he would have otherwise been firing on the infantry.
The 62nd was afterwards appealed to, to deliver an attack on the
flank, and I believe its comander refused to do so. In my
opinion he was right. The ground over which his troops would
 

 

3.

have had to move was as flat as a tennis-court. To attempt any
operation over it without artillery, in plain daylight, after
the enemy had been well awakened by our operations, would simply
have meant the annihilation of any brigade which he put at the
task. No Australian commander, I think, would have attempted
it. I have felt that the criticiem often loosely levelled by
our men at the 62nd Division was never fair. I was there at
the time of both attacks and saw the position and the ground;
and the fact that the 62nd was a Territorial Division, and perhaps

not one of the best, has I am sure nothing whatever to do
with the result. In the same way the artillery of the 4th
Division acted as it was told to do. The attack was to be made
without bombardsent, and as far as I know, or could see at the
time, the divisional artillery carried out its task as ordered.
Its instructions were, so far as I know, to barrage the German
trenches as soon as the troops were driven from them. At such
a time it is inevitable that there should be wounded lying about
the ground which its own artillery is shelling. The alternative
would be to withhold shell-fire, but that would only allow the
enery to pour his fire upon any troops who might be later than
the others in retiring, and on this occasion the 48th Battalion
was in the line on the left for an hour longer than the others.
I have not yet been able to study the orders given during the
battle, so I am speaking from my recollection; but I doubt if
the artillery could be fairly blamed. The blame in this action
must I think be borne by the man who planned it, and that wis
Gough.
Yours sincerely.
C. E. W. SEAN
 

 

Confidential
Rayleigh

Point Lonsdale
15th May 1924
C E W Bean Esq.
Tuggranong
Federal Territory
1 enclosure.
Dear Mr Bean
I am in receipt of yours of the 8th inst.and
thank you for your clear and lucid answers to my questions.
Not having seen the terrain is of course a great handicap
to me. I realise the magnitude of your work and thorõüghly
understand the cause of your delay in replying.
Your opinion of Gough largely coincides with my
own. He was evidently a man dominated not by reason but by
impulse. In reference to his staff Philip Gibbs (Realities
of War p.389) states" I found a general opinion, among officers
and men, under the command of the Fifth Army, that they had
been the victims of atrocious staff work, tragic in its consequences. 

From what I saw of some of the Fifth Army staff
officers I was of the same opinion........ Battalion officers
and divisional Staffs, raged against the whole of the Fifth
Army organisation, or lack of organisation, with an extreme
passion of speech."
I quite realise the soundness of the strategy
at Bullecourt as you state but a strategical scheme which
ignores the tactical factor is foredoomed to failure. And
away at the back of Gough's incompetence in my opinion Haig
incurs a heavy responsibility. Qui fecit per alium fecit per
se. If a Commander-in-Chief persists in utilising an incompetent

subordinate after his repeated failures he incurs in
my opinion an awful responsibility. If Haig were spending
his own money for any purpose he would undoubtedly go to
where he would be best served, yet where hundreds of thousands
of valuable lives are concerned he is prepared to leave them
in the hands of an admittedly incompetent man for reasons of
friendship or otherwise. The British Army is not run on business

lines. Gough was not removed after Bullecourt.
In reference to the tanks in my opinion there
were far too few in this battle. If there had been 250 available

instead of 12 there might have been a chance, but 12 was
ridiculous especially with the incomplete mechanicism of the
tanks of that date. Captain Jacka, Captain Dunworth (15th Btn)
and other officers have told me that the tank officers in that
engagement absolutely lacked confidence. Perhaps they knew
the attack was hopeless. At all events their conduct was not
marked by courage or vigour.
 

 

In reference to the"surprise" of the 10th April
I can only say that Captain Dunworth,Sergt Dalitz(of the 14th
who speaks German fluently)and other ex prisoners have in-
formed me that they were told by German officers that after
the fiasco of the 10th the German staff realised what was
coming,and rushed up during that day thousands of storm troops
and made every preparation for the contest. It was a repitition

of Fleur Baix exactly.
As regards the 62nd Division I am glad of
your statement which clears up matters, but one cannot help
noticing the extremely subordinate position allotted to that
Division in the battle. The Australians were evidently intended

"to do the trick".
In reference to the artillery it may have
obeyed orders, but its observation officers and others seemed
to me to have been obsessed with the same optimism that
possessed Gough. Messages from the front (from the men who
were in the actual firing line) were treated with contempt,
and the S.O.S signals frequently sent up(Captain White in
"The fighting Thirteenth"says 18 times), either not noticed
or disregarded. I might mention that Colonel Leane (C.O 48th
Btn) had exactly the same experience at Passchendaele; the
4th Division artillery disregarded his S.O.S signals and
Leane was severly wounded when again futilely endeavouring
to get artillery support.
I could write much more on this most interesting 

subject but must again thank you for the fullness and
clearness of your explanation, and also assure you that when
you write the account of the battle all my contributions will
be at your disposal.
Yours sincerely
Newton Wanliss

P S
I am enclosing the War record of my old school which
holds its Diamond Jubilee next month. Its record for
its size must I think be unique in Australia. It is
worth a perusal.
 

 
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