Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/244/1 - 1916 - 1933 - Part 20

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There can be no question of any offcial guarantuee that the itew will be included in the next list then. what remains is this: that the atti- tude of the P.M. & his cilleagues leans me in as doubt that they are in accem with the Boards recommendation it seems inconceivable that in new of that prospect there should be any o financin difficulty in the may the remainder of the dead peiiod. cittiee by raising pech capital or getting a loan from the Bank. see hart yours ever &Gellibrank
8.4157 3310. 8 June 1928. Dear Brazenor, In the official German account of the Battle of the Somme just published, the author states that on 29 July 1916 the Australian troops attacking north of Pozieres, inflamed with alcohol, swarmed forward disregarding the fire of the defence and surrounded the right flank of a company of the 161st Regiment. This would be on or near the Thiepval-Pozieres road, due north of Pozisres, where the attack of the 23rd Battalion crossed Brinds Road. Ones first instinct, of course, is to make an indig- nant denial, but such a step is worse than useless unless careful inquiry is made beforehand. It is just conceivable that, as in certain other definitsly recorded eases, a rum issue was made before this attack, and that among the prisoners captured by the Germans were some who had had too much of it, or else who mentioned the matter when interrogated. If so, a denial by us would simply be met by the publications of these Pacts, which we do not want. It was the usual practice in the A8I.F. not to issue rum before an attack, but after, when the troops were tiring; but this practice was occasionally varied where the weather or the fatigue of the troops seemed to make it necessary. I would be most grateful if you could securesme any definite evidence as to what was done in the 23rd Battalion on this occasion - whether the men were given a tott before the attack, or whether the rum was kept for afterwards. Yours sincerely, Colonel W.Brazenor, D.S.O., Logierait Sturt Street, Ballarate Vice
Clter Bnts Othen Ballarat 13/8/ 1328 Dear Hr Bean He your enquiry as to the issue of rdow to 23rd Len night 28/29 July 1916 I have made careful enquiries from members of the Unit now residing in Ballarah who all aver that no issue was made prior to the attack. Further an ex-officer of the Battalion now residinc in Helbowine was requested to make enquiries of ex 23rd men residing in that City. His report has just come to hand (thas the you delay in writing
interviewea. be states he eight men who were in & all were attack the most positive that no issue of rum was made prior to the attack Sincerely yours. Bras Enor
3381. 26 June 1928. Dear Leane, You will remember an order of the German General von Below issued in 1916 saying that the Hill 60 Plateau must be recaptured. I have quoted this, but there is a difficulty in that we can find no copy of it in any diary or appendix, and the Pozicres Plateau was usually spoken of by the Germans as Hill 1617. We can find no evidence that it was ever called Hill 60. I do not, however, greatly doubt that Pozicres is referred to, because you told me that the order was captured by your own men during, 1 think, the counter-attack of August 7 1916. any additional data that you can give me concerning its date, etc., would be valuable as evidence. In the translation you say Bhalgestfres Plateau (Hill 60)r. If the bracketed words were in) the original, this would of course be proof positive. the sossres Yith kind regards, Yours sincerely, Brig.-General R.L. Leane, C.B., C.M.G..D.S.O.,M.C., V.D., Commissioner of Pilce, 0020.160
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3428. 10 July 1928. Professor H.H. Woollard, The University, 38,010.1804 Pol Dear Professor Woollard, in telling the story of Fozieres, I have come across the mention of a German order byptured by the 46th Battalion and stating that the Pozieres Plateau (Hill 60): was to be recaptured at all costs. The difficulty arises that the Posieres Plateau was, so far as we can make out, known to the Germans as WHill 161-. 1 cannot find the original order or any copy of it in the German, but General Leane tells me that you saw the order shortly after its capture. It is possible that the original said Hill 60t, and the translator may have added the words the Pozieres Plateaut. I think there is no doubt that Posicres Plateau is the hill referred to in the order, but would be grateful if you would let me know if your memory throws any light upon the subject. For the purposes of a footnote, would you kindly advise me as to the date and place of your birth, and the town with which you would like to be identified Yours faithfully,
idelaide University. 21.7.28 My Dear Mr Pean. Colonel Leane as he then was, his brother Gen one Stabback, and myself were standing in the trench that ran past battalion headquarters when the Germans appeared. R. Leane fixeda a bayonet to a rifle, filled his pockets with bombs, and remarked calmly the (bastards would never take him alive. Teing cast in a less heroic moy mould I waited to see what would happen. I considered retreating getting a red cross flag or a rifle. I did nothing just stood by Leane and waited. The feeling I was most concious of was the relief from the in- cessant shelling. Not so much the diminished danger but the comparative quiet. I remember thinking one could read now. These details will not in terest you but I mention them to emphasise the character of Leane whan I believe, is a very great man not only in courage but in his profound military insight. It does not seem possible to me that his memory could err on such a point. I remember the German officer well, He was short fair and somewhat insolent.His inward feelings were 1 imagine in inverse proportion to his outward swagger. He rudely continued to smoke in the presence of Leane and was ordered to remove his cigarette. This he did not under- stand and Leane brushed it from his mouth. His papers were gathered to- elther and one Stoekel who w.s. then sergeant-Major I think translated them. The document referred to Hill 60 and its capture at all costs. The & papers were passed to Ben Leane to deal with Their ultimate fate I did n not know until recently. After we came out of the line an extret was published in Pattalion orders to cheer up our remnant. I remember all the incidents surrounding the events you wish to confirm. Naturally my interest in topo- graphical things was less than the Colonels but as far as I can remember the details are as he states. I was born on Ausgust 4 th. 1889. at the town of Warracknabeal bes in the state of Victoria. I should like to be associated with 640 O1t7 of Melboeine where I was educated and enlested &lin Sincerels. H Wooller Hbeusne

There can be no question of any official
guarantee that the item will be
included in the next list then. 
What remains is this: that the attitude 
of the P.M. & his colleagues leaves
me in no doubt that they are in
accord with the Board's recommendation
It seems inconceivable that in view
of that prospect there should be any
difficulty in the way of financing
the remainder of the dead period.
either by raising fresh capital or
getting a loan from the Bank.
In haste
Yours ever
J. Gellibrand 

 

F.4151
3310.
8 June 1928.
Dear Brazenor,
In the official German account of the Battle of the
Somme just published, the author states that on 29 July 1916
the Australian troops attacking north of Pozieres, "inflamed
with alcohol", swarmed forward disregarding the fire of the
defence and surrounded the right flank of a company of the
161st Regiment. This would be on or near the Thiepval-Pozieres
road, due north of Pozieres, where the attack of the 23rd
Battalion crossed Brind's Road.
One's first instinct, of course, is to make an indignant 
denial, but such a step is worse than useless unless
careful inquiry is made beforehand. It is just conceivable
that, as in certain other definitely recorded cases, a rum
issue was made before this attack, and that among the prisoners
captured by the Germans were some who had had too much of it,
or else who mentioned the matter when interrogated. If so, a
denial by us would simply be met by the publications of these
facts, which we do not want. It was the usual practice in the
AI.F. not to issue rum before an attack, but after, when the
troops were tiring; but this practice was occasionally varied
where the weather or the fatigue of the troops seemed to make it
necessary.
I would be most grateful if you could secure me any
definite evidence as to what was done in the 23rd Battalion on
this occasion - whether the men were given a "tot" before the
attack, or whether the rum was kept for afterwards.
Yours sincerely,
Colonel W.Brazenor, D.S.O.,
"Logierait,"
Sturt Street,
Ballarat, Vic. 

 

Water Supply Office
Ballarat 13/8/1928
Dear Mr Bean,
Re your enquiry as to
the issue of rum to
23rd Bn night 28/29 July
1916, I have made careful
enquiries from members of
the Unit now residing in
Ballarat who all aver
that no issue was made
prior to the attack.
Further an ex-officer of
the Battalion now residing
in Melbourne was
requested to make
enquiries of ex 23rd men
residing in that City.
His report has just
come to hand (thus the
delay in writing you). 

 

"He states he interviewed 
eight men who were in
the attack & all were
most positive that no
issue of rum was made
prior to the attack.
Sincerely yours.
W Brazenor. 

 

3381.
26 June 1928.
Dear Leane,
You will remember an order of the German General von
Below issued in 1916 saying that the Hill 60 Plateau must be
recaptured. I have quoted this, but there is a difficulty in
that we can find no copy of it in any diary or appendix, and
the Pozieres Plateau was usually spoken of by the Germans as
"Hill 161". We can find no evidence that it was ever called
Hill 60.
I do not, however, greatly doubt that Pozieres is
referred to, because you told me that the order was captured by
your own men during, I think, the counter-attack of August 7,
1916. Any additional data that you can give me concerning its
date, etc., would be valuable as evidence. In the translation 
you say "xxxxxxxxx  the Pozieres Plateau (Hill 60)". If the bracketed
words were in the original, this would of course be proof
positive.
With kind regards,
Yours sincerely,

Brig.-General R.L. Leane, C.B., C.M.G., D.S.O., M.C., V.D.,
Commissioner of Pilce,
Adelaide
 

 

Police Commissioner's Office 
S.A
Adelaide
July 2
Dear Captain Bean
The order
you refer to was actioned
on the morning of August 7
1916. You will remember that
the left of mg. line was
penetrated and a number
of mg. men taken prisoner
at Courtes hillock by the
remnants of C Company
assisted by Lieut Jacka
VC who was on our left
recaptured the trenches and
recovered our men also
the Germans in the trenches

 

2
a number of maps and other 
papers were taken from the
prisoners and this order was 
amongst them the documents
were sent to Brigade Hdqs.
The then Adjutant Lieut Leane
after Major killed at Bullecourt
had charge of the papers, but
I have a witness that the order
existed in Lieut Col HH Woollard
now Professor at the Adelaide
University. Woollard was
MO of the Battalion and he
was with me in Tramway
Trench during the Counter
attack and saw the order
mentioned. This order was repeated
in Battalion orders as we
are aware. It would seem
that Brigade did not take
 

 

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very great care of this document
or it may be that the Runner
sent to Brigade with the
document did not reach
there. I cannot assist you
any more than this. If you
like to write Professor Woollard
I am quite sure he will
remember the incident because
he saw the order. I expect
we shall soon be seeing

the next Volume of the
History it is a big Job
and You will have something
to be proud of when it is
completed
With kind regards

Yours Sincerely
Raymond L Leane
 

 

3428.
10 July 1928.
Professor H.H. Woollard,
The University,
Adelaide, S.A
Dear Professor Woollard,
In telling the story of Pozieres, I have come across
the mention of a German order captured by the 48th Battalion
and stating that the Pozieres Plateau (Hill 60): was to be
recaptured at all costs. The difficulty arises that the
Pozieres Plateau was, so far as we can make out, known to the
Germans as "Hill 161".  I cannot find the original order or
any copy of it in the German, but General Leane tells me that
you saw the order shortly after its capture. It is possible
that the original said "Hill 60", and the translator may have
added the words "the Pozieres Plateau". I think there is no
doubt that Pozieres Plateau is the hill referred to in the
order, but would be grateful if you would let me know if your
memory throws any light upon the subject.
For the purposes of a footnote, would you kindly advise
me as to the date and place of your birth, and the town with
which you would like to be identified?
Yours faithfully,
 

 

Adelaide University.
21.7.28
My Dear Mr Bean.
Colonel Leane as he then was, his brother Ben,
one Stabback, and myself were standing in the trench that ran past
battalion headquarters when the Germans appeared. 
R. Leane fixed a
a bayonet to a rifle, filled his pockets with bombs, and remarked calmly
the 'bastards would never take him alive'. Being cast in a less heroic mou
mould I waited to see what would happen. I considered retreating, getting
a red cross flag or a rifle. I did nothing just stood by Leane and
waited. The feeling I was most conscious of was the relief from the incessant 
shelling. Not so much the diminished danger but the comparative
quiet. I remember thinking one could read now. These details will not
interest you but I mention them to emphasise the character of Leane
whom, I believe, is a very great man not only in courage but in his
profound military insight. It does not seem possible to me that his memory
could err on such a point.
I remember the German officer well, He was short fair and
somewhat insolent. His inward feelings were I imagine in inverse proportion
to his outward swagger. He rudely continued to smoke in the presence of
Leane and was ordered to remove his cigarette. This he did not understand 
and Leane brushed it from his mouth. His papers were gathered together 
and one Stoekel who was. then sergeant-major I think translated
them. The document referred to Hill 60 and its capture at all costs. The &
papers were passed to Ben Leane to deal with. Their ultimate fate I did 
not know until recently.
After we came out of the line an extract was published in
Battalion orders to cheer up our remnant. I remember all the incidents
surrounding the events you wish to confirm. Naturally my interest in topographical 
things was less than the Colonel's but as far as I can remember
the details are as he states.
I was born on August 4 th. 1889. at the town of Warracknabeal
bes in the state of Victoria. I should like to be associated with
the City of Melbourne lbourne where I was educated and enlisted 
I am
yrs Sincerely. H. Woollard
 

 
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