Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/244/1 - 1916 - 1933 - Part 12

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FAisI 1870. 106 25 November 1926. Contain J.P. Ramkenn, M.C., Reserve of Officers lst District Pase, Brisbane Denr Captain Romkona, In deseribing the first battle of Posieres for the Official History I have been much himpered by the absence of practically all record of the attack carried out by the 9th Battalion in the early morning of July 23, 1916. Indeed, the only descruption existing of the nature of this fighting i that contained in the recommendation for Private Leaksss Victoria Cross. Even as to this, I am undertain whether Leak's action occurred on July 23 or 25, since some of the battalien records say one date, some the other. There are much fuller accounts of the operations of other battalions. Secondly, there is with the records a note of a attack on the morning of July 24, though whether this was made by the 9th or 10th is not clear. I should be most grateful if you could let me have a Lew notes containing your recollection of the fighting in O.G.1 and O.G.2 during those days - in fact, until the 25th. Could you also tell me whether Leak’s V.C. was earned on the 23rd or 251 Yours faithfully, C.E.W.DEAN
7 Vectoa Avie Claremnt wa. 4 July 1922 My dear Beau lents of 14 June duly came almg. I am senany since sorglly written wits on Bapaissie & Mim Roads - If there are of any use would it be possible to rehion them with a plan of the ypres cometry and also me of Bapanne cnca where I can with the help of my deanes work the nts up absolutely conoctly as though it all seems clear in my mined still the myss would be a safe guide- tiight Ffr a langist fmoney vorrland to I am of Rinberley returning on the 16th August so if that is too late for you make the best of the notis furn- beare dint let me by a boxe offering too much stuff but I suggest the first Anshalian work due at Sailly might be intertay Especially the pinp off trenches constructed in no mans land which afterwards sened a great nimber of the 5 Du people in
108 their impitiate operations This was the first operation of its kind in France and was pllowed by a sissular me between Black watch avenue and the Jerman trenches at Pozieres. The latter certaine was me of the factors of the 3rd Brigades success ful work- The trench wirk duce at Monquet Favm was also a bit out of ordinary. I place the trench wisk in France:- 1. Rick off trnch Pozieres 2. Communcation truic Bullecourt 3. Rick off Fruich oporsapets Sailly 4. Tunnel at Hers Monyuet Farm truder 5. 6. Hindenberg line stop from Queant as beyind average all the came nithing in Fance equalled the trunch wirk at augae. Remember if gives me great pleasure to do this but I would sot willingly inflict unnecessary shef in you with your cmmense labet- yims sinceel GHicholry
16 Victoria Avenue Claimment Wa. 21 Nov 26 My dear Capt Beau On my return from siedry (omonrying I found you letter awaiting me and now send a brief satencet of some doing of the concers. It is my opinion that he Aushalian Pionces Bns suffered in want of recognition by reason of the lowed standard Bulis: Pwncer Bns book. It has never been recogngzed that the first four Fionees Brs 1 2 425 were a very picted body chosen carefully for physique and hades maulike qualities and were officered by the very best of the Engineering services of Aushalia. They were resed quite differently from the Bubis. (wifl the exception if the Scotch Pioneers) and were in reality very strng Engineer Bos comspndice to the U.S. enqueer reguments. Prectically the whole of their work in France was advance that is work
Consoledation of hencars captured in the post assaults divring counter attacks and the 8. manitenance thereafter Construction of roads prior to artillery 2. advance and sometinces oror to marly mmovinicat. The M.G. Seckions very hegily efficient and 3 always used in Every attack. Their ligil railway constructon as exceptional. 4 In since measure Each Bn. specialized, one being Expest in railway work, another in poass, awkos in much work and another ine hunelling Regarding N1. I we you ar edea of zeres P2 was especially noticiable at LeSars -Bapannne Berr X Roads - Zounebeke 3 At Pozueres N. tetlers. Martinpunch N4 Dewille Wood.
General Walker once writing me from Italy gave as his considered opercion that they were the most efficient meets of their class in any ariy and it is (my own experience that they maintained an extaordinary effficient sausard throughact The fact that they were so capable made them impatient of cintrol through the Engineer servic Their adeal was Let the Engineers tell ass what they require and let us do the (It ire ond own way You must resicembe Brigade Commanders had no control over these neets, they were hardled pour De H.Q.- It will be enteresting to you to know that quite recently Associations of Engineering Service are bring firmed comprising all classes of technical uits and the gatherings are very gratifying. All competative (ealousy has been sunck and a general agreement coe to that Engineers, Pwoneers, Lunnellers, Signallers, Railway enects were all on a par uced I think this is sufficient confrrmation of my claim that the woneers were exceptiorial. I need hardly say that I take it as a
112 mack of great cunfidence that yir shuild ask for my ideas and iuprnation and it is my great wish to be correct and impartial in any enfrimation I send. Not having gradation lists before me I have to mist to nioks a memory for some names and where unhels are lacking you can verify by reference to fradation lists of dates required. I after think of you with most kindly- thoughts and more + more feel that in future years Australia will be congravulated at having an historian so even mueded, will refenced and first as yourself The signs of the times are already perceptable The squalor and greed if he war is passing and a truer perspective growing. Individual grasping for recognition or for pecumary buiefit has almst fine and soon a cleaner cleared view if what Australea did will appear and then your work will have its reward. Yours sincerely S Hchotin
113 Potes pr Capt. Beace Has notice bren taken of the following. Le Sars - Bapannie Road. Bapanine entered before dawn 1, March. & in spite of craters and careful obstructions road cleared for Field Artillery by noon. Mine Rood- Ypves Roads Gillebeke - Borr x Rds Berr & Roads - Zounebeke. Cement work Especially help given by the Butish Arcy Toops Co Railway Work Delwille Wood. Hers. Ypres-Wychaete-Messuies. Corps Lime Bazreux - Somme
114 Foneers No12000 at taking over At the completion of the [emfrence at Albert grieal Walker was not satisfied as to the eract position of the German Bruches from Blackwatch Alley and instuucted the OC. I Peoreers to have a recomaniance made to defintely locate the finner Lieuts Jenkins and Bardin both highe skilled suweyes were detailed for the wisk locating the distance fime Blackatel Alley at about 300 yoids. In this recomnaissance keert pukins was kelled but Barden brought back a sinect plan at Sailly su Lys the 1 Puonees ye had excavated a ling trench series to in no mans land about the same destance fmnid as wrs nn required vy 150 7aids the Baln. was ordered to do simular wirk at Poyueres. from The leigth of trunch required wos 100 t 1550 yards across the centie of tomans land, the wrrk bring possible only at night.

C.E.W.Bean.

France. - 1917.

Lagnicourt - 26.lll.1917.

7th Infy Brigade

26th Battalion A.I.F. Report on Operations

 

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1570.

25 November 1926.

Captain J.P. Ramkema, M.C.,

Reserve of Officers,

1st District Base,

Brisbane.

Dear Captain Ramkema,

In describing the first battle of Pozieres for the

Official History I have been much hampered by the absence of

practically all record of the attack carried out by the 9th

Battalion in the early morning of July 23, 1916. Indeed, the

only description existing of the nature of this fighting is

that contained in the recommendation for Private Leak'sss

Victoria Cross. Even as to this, I am uncertain whether

Leak's action occurred on July 23 or 25, since some of the

battalion records say one date, some the other. There are

much fuller accounts of the operation of other battalions.

Secondly, there is with the records a note of an

attack on the morning of July 24, though whether this was

made by the 9th or 10th is not clear.

I should be most grateful if you could let me have a

few notes containing your recollection of the fighting in 

O.G.1 and O.G.2 during those days - in fact, until the 25th.

Could you also tell me whether Leak's V.C. was earned on the 

23rd or 25th?

Yours faithfully,

C.E.W. BEAN

 

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[*H.N.

Aust Pioneers in France*]

7 Victoria Avenue

Claremont

WA.

6’ July 1922

My dear Bean

Yours of 14’ June duly came

along.

I am sending some roughly written notes

on Bapaume & Menin Roads. If these are

of any use would it be possible to return

these with a plan of the Ypres country

and also one of Bapaume area where I

can with the help of my diaries work the

notes up absolutely correctly as though it all

seems clear in my mind still the maps

would be a safe guide -

I am off ^tonight for a longish journey overland to

Kimberley returning on the 16’ August so

if that is too late for you make the best

of the notes given -

Please dont let me be a bore offering

too much stuff but I suggest the first Australian

work done at Sailly might be interesting

especially the group of trenches constructed

in no mans land which afterwards saved

a great number of the 5' Div people in

 

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their unfortunate operations.

This was the first operation of its kind in France

and was followed by a similar one between

Black Watch avenue and the German

trenches at Pozieres - The latter certainly

was one of the factors of the 3rd Brigades

successful work - 

The trench work done at Mouquet Farm

was also a bit out of ordinary - 

I place the trench work in France:-

  1.  Kick off trench Pozieres 
  2. Communication trench Bullecourt

3.   Kick off trench & parapets Sailly

4.   Tunnel at Flers

5.    Mouquet Farm trenches

6.    Hindenburg line stops from Queant -

as beyond average.

All the same anything in France equalled

the trench work at Anzac -

Remember it gives one great pleasure

to do this but I would not willingly inflict

unnecessary stuff on you with your immense

labor.

Yours sincerely 

SJNicholson

 

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Victoria Avenue

Claremont W.A.

21' Nov 26

My dear Capt Bean

On my return from sundry journeying,

I found your letter awaiting me and now

send a brief statement of some doings of the 

Pioneers.

It is my opinion that the Australian Pioneer Bns

suffered in want of recognition by reasons of

the lower standard British Pioneer Bns took. It

has never been recognized that the first four

Pioneer Bns 1’ 2’ 4 & 5’ were a very picked

body -  chosen carefully for physique and trades

manlike qualities and were officered by

the very best of the Engineering services of

Australia.

They were used quite differently from the British

(with the exception of the Scotch Pioneers) and were

in reality very strong Engineer Bns corresponding

to the U.S. engineer requirements. Practically the

whole of their work in France was advance

work, that is : -

 

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1st. Consolidation of trenches captured in the post

assaults during counter attacks and the

x. maintenance thereafter.

2.  Construction of roads prior to artillery

advance and sometimes prior to [[reguly?]]

movement.

3.  The M.G. Sections were highly efficient and

always used in every attack.

4.  Their light railway construction was exceptional.

In some measure each Bn. specialized, one being

expert in railway work, another in roads, another

in trench work and another in tunnelling.

Regarding No1. I give you an idea, Pozieres

No2 was especially noticeable at LeSars - Bapaume

Birr X Roads - Zonnebeke

No3 at Pozieres

No4 Delville Wood. Le Flers - Martinpuich

 

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General Walker once writing me from Italy -

gave as his considered opinion that they were the

most efficient units of their class in any

army and it is^in my own experience that they

maintained an extraordinary efficient standard

throughout.

The fact that they were so capable made them

impatient of control through the Engineers services.

Their ideal was “Let the Engineers tell us what

they require and let us do the job in our own way”

You must remember Brigade Commanders had

no control over these units, they were handled from

Div H.Q. -

It will be interesting to you to know that

quite recently Associations of Engineering Services

are being formed comprising all classes of

technical units and the gatherings are very

gratifying. All competitive jealousy has been

sunk and a general agreement come to that

Engineers, Pioneers, Tunnellers, Signallers, Railway

units were all on a par and I think this

is sufficient confirmation of any claim that

the Pioneers were exceptional.

I need hardly say that I take it as a

 

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mark of great confidence that you should ask

for my ideas and information and it is

my great wish to be correct and impartial

in any information I send.

Not having gradations lists before me I

have to trust to notes & memory for some

names and where initials are lacking you

can verify by reference to gradation lists of

dates required.

I often think of you with most kindly -

thoughts and more & more feel that in future

years Australia will be congratulated at having

an historian so even minded, well informed

and just as yourself.

The signs of the times are already perceptible.

The squalor and greed of the war is passing and

a truer perspective growing - Individual grasping

for recognition or for pecuniary benefit has almost

gone and soon a cleaner clearer view of what

Australia did will appear and then your

work will have its reward.

Yours sincerely

[[SJ Nicholson?]]

 

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Notes for Capt. Bean

Has notice been taken of the following:-

Le Sars - Bapaume Road.

Bapaume entered before dawn 17’

March. & in spite of craters and

careful obstructions road cleared for

Field Artillery by noon -

Ypres Roads    Menin Road -

Zellebeke - Birr X Rds

Birr X Roads, - Zonnebeke.

Cement Work  Especially help given by the

British Army Troops Cos.

Railway Work Delville Wood.

Flers.

Corps Lines  Ypres - Wychaete - Messines.

Bazieux - Somme

 

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Pioneers at Pozieres.

At the completion of the ∧taking over conference at Albert

General Walker was not satisfied as to the

exact position of the German trenches

from Blackwatch Alley and instructed

the O.C. 1st Pioneers to have a reconnaissance

made to definitely locate the former.
[*Reconnaissance done
 in daylight!*]
Lieuts Jenkins and Bardin both highly

skilled surveyors were detailed for the

work locating the distance from Blackwatch

Alley at about 300 yards. In this

reconnaissance Lieut Jenkins was killed but

Bardin brought back a correct plan.

At Sailly near Lys the 1st Pioneer Bn had

excavated a long trench series between

in no mans land about the same distance

forward as was now required viz 150 yards

the Batn. was ordered to do similar work

at Pozieres.

The length of trench required was about from

1200 to 1500 yards across the centre of

Nomans land, the work being possible

only at night.

 

 

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