Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/243A/1 - 1916 - 1934 - Part 27

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First World War, 1914–18
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WSBIANB. A.R.1A8/8/28. Branch Office. Imperial War Graves Commission. A R ME N T I E R E S. CCEODRRDREANNNENEEE 1E COIe Major. Phillips. Area Supt. No.S.Area. No. 3 A L B E K T. -ADMDDDLLLDLDSLSS0 No. DEtS My dear Phillips. Reference your VRj1072/A dated 5-2-25. 1 attach herewith certain information given to me by Pitman and Kohler which may be of some use to you. It is difficult to reconcile Mr.Bean's sketch with our Trench Maps, though I think the Map References given on attached List are somewhere near the Sector in question. Certain Graves Registration details are given in the attached papers as it is hoped that Mr.Bean may be able, thereby, to piece together sufficient facts to arrive at definite conclusions. 1 presume, however, that he will treat this as being Confidential. Mr.Bean’s letter attached herewith. Yours very sincerely, frown s to Armentieres. 25-2-25.
Area Superintendent Ne 2 Arca Anstralian Remain found at Fameller. the atached is a Listy of Australian oldeer found at Fanelles duing the last 3 years A considerable number of Anknown have also been found at 36.N. 8.9. and 10. Some 36.A. 8. d. and of these are, without doubt. 9.C and d. would Unstialians, but at the time appear to be the Spet of collecting it was impossible to determin whether they wire referred to by Mr. Bear Anctialians as not in which case they were rebuend as tknown Brilish Soldiers. Some in Rue 7 PstillonnC. 11au M/C. Pout-du- Hem. MC. and a few in Cabare Ronge BC T C. Comn Aus Cem V. C. Corner Aus Cem Contain Same 410 Unknown is situaled at Anstalians. These wire no doubt 36. N.9.d. 1. 6 pricked up from the ground in quiation. mostly. 51st to 60th Bn Rie the Bois MC. a lot of 1st and 3d BdeadsoI Ru Pebellon MC. 1 Yann. M.C. 5 all Rue David. MC. A Namler of Wrknan Auto Contain Anstialian Killed at Fromelles About 3 years ago when the Ground at 36.H.8.9.10,14 515 was still in a rough State them was every Impose indication of very heavy death woll 10661 71
trace everywhen of bodies blown to and A great number must still pieces too deck to in the ground and he peobing ploughning or located by be D 6 23,2.23.
36. N.9.C. 1.8.3 36.N.8.d.9.3. Pound. Cemstery of Reburial. Particulars. No: FtS. Calaret Rouse. B.C. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. 4 -do- located by German Records. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. J. BROWN. 7(Bn. RTE PETLLLON.M.C. 2948.R.F.HOLTON.59/Bn. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. GULLEN. 87.A.L.F. CLEMENTS. 22/Bn.A.L.F. (TWO)UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIERS. STDES. 59/A.L.F. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. FRYER. 53/Bn.A.L.F. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. (TWO)UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. PATHN.O RYAN. WALTER. Peat. 53 (Bn. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. COUBROUGH. 29/Bn. WATSON. A. L.F. 14745.H.ERUN----- 59/Bn. POWELL. 6159.A.L.F. UNKNOWH AUS SOLDIER. 1760.Pte.J.H.SWAIN.54/Bn.A.L.F. PORT DU HEN M.C. 29.7-16. 11 UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIERS. 3003.T. AITKIN. 58/Bn.A. L.F. W.L.LEECH-58/Bn.A. L.F. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.
GLPTENH. Branch Office. Imperial War Graves Commission A L B E R T. ODDDDDDDDD (Somne). FRANCE. January 8th, 1929. Dear Mr.Bean, I have been somewhat late in replying to your letter No:2517 of 29-9-28 (wromgly given owing to typing error as 1927), but the particulars you ask for have necessitated a rather diligent search in consequence of the data given by you. Regarding the burials at MOUQUE FARM, I am rather of the opinion that the bodies buried, as shown in your sketch, refer to German dead only, but I hope to give you further details on this point in the near future. With reference to the action at FROMELLES, 1 am attaching information contained in a letter and copy of the original Report which may assist you to clear the points raised in your letter under reply. I would take the opportunity of informing you that 2 am vacating my present position in France owing to my transfer to London Office and therefore I would like you to note that any further communications should be sent to me c/o. The Imperial War Graves Commission, 82, Baker Street, LONON.W. 1 hope you will allow me to offer if rather belated, to Mys Bean and yourself, the best wishes for the present year, and I sincerely trust that your health has considerably improved. Lours sincerely, pnt Arga Superintendent. NoISsArea..W.G.C. C.E.W.Bean., Esq. Official Historian. Victoria Barracks. SLDNEY. H. S.W.

WSB/AWB.     A.R./AS/9/28.

Branch Office.

Imperial War Graves Commission.

AMENTIERES.

Major.Phillips.

Area Supt. No. 5.Area.

ALBERT.

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My dear Phillips.

Reference your VR/1072/A dated 5-2-25.

I attach herewith certain information given to me

by Pitman and Kohler which may be of some use to you.

It is difficult to reconcile Mr.Bean's sketch with

our Trench Maps, though I think the Map References given

on attached List are somewhere near the Sector in question.

Certain Graves Registration details are given in

the attached papers as it is hoped that Mr. Bean may be able,

thereby, to piece together sufficient facts to arrive at

definite conclusions.

I presume, however, that he will treat this as

being Confidential.

Mr. Bean's letter attached herewith.

Yours very sincerely,

A S Brown 

Armentieres.

25-3-25.

 

Area Superintendent

No 2 Area

Australian Remains

Found at Fromelles.

The attached is a List of Australian

Soldiers found at Fromelles

during the last 3 years.

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36.N.8.d. and

9.c and d. would

appear to be the spot

referred to by Mr.Bean

A considerable number of unknowns have also been

found at 36.N.8.9. and 10. Some

of these are, without doubt,

Australians, but at the time

of collecting it was impossible

to determine whether they were

Australians or not, in which case

they were reburied as unknown

British Soldiers. Some in Rue

Potillon MM.C. Y Farm M.C. Pont-du-

Hern. M.C. and a few in Cabaret

Rouge B.C.

V.C. Corner Aust Cem 

is situated at

36.N.9.d.1.6

V.C. Comm Aus Cem

Contains same 410 unknown

Australians. These were no doubt

picked up from the ground

in question.

Mostly 51st to 60th Bn →}

a lot of 1st and 3rd Bdes also}

Rue du Bois M.C.}

Rue Petillon M.C.}

'Y' Farm. M.C.       }

Rue David M.C.   }    All

A number of unknown Austrn→

Contain Australians killed

at Fromelles.

 

About 3 years ago, when

the ground at 36.N.8.9.10.14. & 15.

was still in a rough state

there was [?] surface

indication of a very heavy death

roll

 

and traces everywhere of bodies blown to

pieces. A great number must still

be in the ground and too deep to

be located by ploughing or probing.

 

E F Kohler

23.2.25.

 
Map.Ref.where found.

Particulars.No:

Etc.

Cemetery of Reburial.
36.N.10.c.0.8. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER. Cabaret Rouge, B.C.
36.N.23.a.40.15.

4 -do- located by

German Records.

    "         "
36.N.9.d.9.4. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.     "         "
36.N.9.d.8.5. J.BROWN. 7/Bn.     "        "
36.N.9.d.3.8. 2948.R.F.HOLTON. 59/Bn. RUE PETILLON.M.C.
36.n.9.B.78.00. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.     "         "
36.N.9.c.50.15. GULLEN. 8[[?]]1.A.I.F.     "          "
36.N.9.c.50.15. CLEMENTS. 22/Bn.A.I.F.     "          "
36.N.9.c.50.35. (TWO)UNKNOW AUS SOLDIERS.     "         "
36.N.9.d.1.6. SYDES. 59/A.I.F.      "         "
36.N.9.c.60.65. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.     "       "
36.N.9.c.65.70. FRYER. 53/Bn. A.I.F.      "        "
36.N.9.c.4.4. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.      "        "
36.N.9.c.3.3. (TWO)UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.      "        "
36.N.9.c.3.2. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.   "       "
36.N.9.c.2.1. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.     "        "
36.N.9.c.1.1. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.     "        "
36.N.9.c.00.15. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.     "       "
36.N.9.c.75.60. RYAN. "Y" Farm.M.C.
36.N.9.c.75.60. WALTER. Peat. 53/Bn.     "        "
36.N.9.c.50.55. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.     "        "
36.n.9.C.3.3. COUBROUGH. 29/Bn.     "        "
36.N.9.c.10.35. WATSON.  A.I.F.     "      "
36.N.9.c.0.5. 4745.H.BRUN-----59/Bn.     "       "
36.N.9.c.0.5. POWELL. 6/59.A.I.F.     "       "
36.N.8.d.95.70. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.     "       "
36.N.9.c.00.60. 1760.Pte.J.H.SWAIN. 54/Bn. A.I.F. 29.7.16. PONT DU HEM M.C.
36.N.9.c. 11 UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIERS.     "          "
36.n.9.c.7.2. 3003.T. AITKIN. 58/Bn.A.I.F.     "          "
36.N.8.d.8.3. W.L.LEECH.58/Bn.A.I.F.     "          "
36.N.8.d.9.3. UNKNOWN AUS SOLDIER.     "        "
 

GLP/EWH.

Branch Office.

Imperial War Graves Commission

ALBERT.

(Somme).

FRANCE.

January 8th, 1929.

Dear Mr.Bean,

I have been somewhat late in replying

to your letter No:2517 of 29-9-28 (wrongly given

owing to typing error as 1927) , but the particulars

you ask for have necessitated a rather diligent

search in consequence of the data given by you.

 

Regarding the burials at MOUQUET

FARM, I am rather of the opinion that the bodies

buried, as shown in your sketch, refer to German

dead only, but I hope to give you further details

on this point in the near future.

 

With reference to the action at FROMELLES,

I am attaching information contained in a letter and

copy of the original Report which may assist you to

clear the points raised in your letter under reply.

 

I would take the opportunity of informing

you that I am vacating my present position in France

owing to my transfer to London Office and therefore I

would like you to note that any further communications

should be sent to me

c/o. The Imperial War Graves Commission,

82, Baker Street,

LONDON.W.

 

I hope you will allow me to offer, if

rather belated, to Mrs Bean and yourself, the best

wishes for the present year, and I sincerely trust that

your health has considerably improved.

 

Yours sincerely,

[[?]]

Area Superintendent.

No:5:Area.I.W.G.C.

 

C.E.W.Bean., Esq.

Official Historian.

Victoria Barracks.

SYDNEY.

N.S.W.

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