Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/20/1 - November 1915 - Part 5

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Ko KCont) Nov 13 wanted impressed on him. (33 sot Divn to now arranging for its own cautlen from a certain / Maimar. -akin a peek. Howse tackled him on three thing -canteen; potatoes; &I neet for a few further honours to 1 men o 1 Admc. I mean with Beeston C.M.G. & Beck the same o thing Howse becomes a farce, hod, if you to me don't give some of these young cheps like Tebbutt's & Aspinal sonething Brennan & Thompson ought to have a mentary cross (I'm blest if I know why my old brother sack oughtn'd to if they do - for he did quite as brave work & in a perfect manner, so they tell me). It means tt I, who have done nothing, am only one in this dion who gets any recogniti. House told K. hed have bo ask Anitiplia for 100 more Drs in the spring & 100 move in Tuene & to be cont be expected toget them unless some recopnition were granted. Humph- dont you think they
Hosp Nov 13 sd k come I do sd Howse - for more of them have come than o1 English doctors - thdonefa Oh sd K. yes theyve done far more, sd Ho Don't you think the we had enough exquition Yes, sd H.I because, of course, if you gave them all their deserts they'd all have to be decerated - you couldn't distinguish. They have al done such outs tandin good work these young Austalian doctors But I ask you to geve a few recognitions amongt 1 various states as an encouragement K. sd nothing them. But as he we leaving he shook hands w House Whithe & I rest - & said to Howse Well Howse, I think I can promise you your potaties & your canteen. And well see abtth your men. I dont think Howse has got his appointment in Sgyst (wh wd mean General 5D.M.S). Fathers has asked him to weet him there on Friday - whop Byancans to he wants to consult him, only. But H. has
Kofk. Houst Nov13 probably made an impression on i Kitchmner. He's a deep old bird very different from white. White woul brillian pust himself but is so satincy & so ppular it fortunabity others have recognised his ability. House is a very able & I think a strony man. butilencely ambitious & he is detering to keep in fo thoat who can help him He made it a point always to sit by Bridges when while made it a sount Sonetims to come down & Sit by us. Howse made a friend of Berdwood - & yeste (now th Berdwood is away, possibly finally, & godley in charge here) I noticed tt on 1 beach H. went straight up to fodley & ws in his company all 1 time - alto I dont think Godley is a man be raly tikes or whose abitil headmires. I have seen H. plan his way - not obvisisly but none 1 less, deliberately from a passenger on 1orvieto, unconnected w I expedity, up to D.D.M.S. of the Army Corps. He is certainly awnin at D.M.S of the A.J.F.- & sogion gent - + I don't know how much higher; may be. a permanent billet in 1 Defence. Dept
No/1 cont Angae Maj. Nov 13 22 or in St. Britain – or possibly just posito for this war. plf Maxwell seeig one of our new making some stew of bully self asked: Arent the fowle laying. The man tooked up quite unabashed- No "he ad "but I'll tell you what - you might send as a turkey for Emas, Maxwell laughed - our men are pretty ready to their answers. K. left the beack at 3.30 or 3. 45 -two hours or, at most, 2/ hrs after landing. In th lime he had seen almost every impt. officer o taken a good grasp of position. Yesterday Butler, of Intelligence came up to me & lott oe to he& woods had on thinking to we ought to get out an Anzac annual. There as end talent in 1 Army Corps to turn out smething really first class-on les say of Pinters Fic. It might be a really valuable mements in future years. In 1 atternoon we had a ctee ait - White, Batter, woods & myself. al sho Live bu spoken to annrool
Majazin inzac (ont) Wavy (the arumba) iers Nov. 43 We decided to have a certain number of conpetitions for cover design, best story & so on - abt 24 in all; & to mack all contributes by December & have it printed in Attens. It will have to be New Year & will probably be late at that - wh can't be helped. The price will proble be bete. 2/60 5/aif we order 4000 as 5/- that is $1000£, 5o its a big afair for a small ctee - and it will probly run to $60,000 at least]. The same Angac Annual wI descard was too sugjestive. It is to be the Anzac Magazine. Received Mothers & Fathers parcels - with open them on my birthday The wail wilh probly be orregular tho we have done well of late. I wish they had sunk the old Arumba. There (the dumnny Inflexible, )as gen. Williams wante them to do. He has bn turned into
Navy (iers) Nov1 a breakwater as Imbror. A Our breakwater here (the ancient steamer Milo wh I knew to be a lwater I moment I saw her in Imbros) is all out by herself. not long end for a god boeakwater but a bonderful help never the less. an old timber ship ws sunk from WMilo. by J.Tarks nat far away, T Tomcone suggested to if she were filled t stones shet make a good breakwaler but I water solved psoblem by breaking her ferst. Then 1 Arumba we to be sunk outside 1 Milo. I ad have made a beautiful bag bh water. But now theyve srunk her on Tmbros they purpose only filling in I space between Milo & I land - a paltry little piece- to a smaller ship. Mcanwhill Enginerss aregoing on driving piles in at the Anzac peer (watsens) wh the don't intend to protect & wth will go to pieces at I first storm. "Its breakwater we want - not piers, sd Len. Lesstie
D Arman Finance Nov 13 - 14. to me - & I must say I cant (it understaid why they have not had I sense t see to from beginning. You can land goods ofa behind a breakwater without a sier; but you cannot landthings at a pir without I break water abxiyrate in winter ideed you cant a pier without bhwater. No new yet of the Russians. Otr pecaliar interest in it of course is to of I Russians get thro 1 Turks will get no shells to blow our beaches up (withing easy distance of this dugout those shells); whereas if y Rassians don't get thro I shells will - & tha fateof our expedity is on 1cards. Unless - possibly - a runour published in Wal office news is some news to expedity - The News awk aso sd: The Turks report to a great seabattle is taken place in 1 Black Sea. the news gave no result, no comment. what aves it mean. Possill nothin in it. Nov. 14. Sunday Last night Hasty in a talk sonetime about midnight mentioned that he thought Germany
Jerman Finauel No 14th. This day at 1 pm No1 gan of 6th Batty firing from Brownes Dip demolishes the Srdsandbag sangar on the right & party demolishe, second sansy. They first from Vowles o 2 gan positnss The Pt Batt, 5 Hows of 691 Bde covered him. The place Lrown he fired from is protect only by a sandbey parapet on its lef 81 fan is actuelly vesible from almost at roul. The gun I ws law direct this tlscose. He id just cee 1 top of parapet over 1 top of Ryries post treches. The Bty aunde ws in No6 post C. Squ. 6LH wo shells just clearing his head & direction I deflerion Stevenson). Fron They waited for the Hows. to fir one round & then fir t the gun F rounds of Shrap just, for range - then He The first He- shell penetrated the workabits Aubre; thy knn find another 105 completely denolished the work. The turn onto sweler work to Nw & wydscloser 12 or 15 sds fort at this then 10rds outs barricadt of black bags to left pont of first work & glt damyed after Claw for at 1322 (16 mins) as being shellt art H.E. from Wine Glass & Oewe G. Prob. at least 100 sous firet at yun by thes batteries - 2 severely wd 2 slightly. Fered 40 rds altether ary at aw Dood,, Tergt Croft C.W. ran gun out 27t aedas No.1 when two At Shell Canoil in rit Nov 14 /4 must be worn out financially before wer are. I thought so once - but Im blest if I think so now- the war has proved to germany can practically support herseg - She can scrape along on her own foodstuffs & what she cets from Roumania; & I suppose she is under taking this expediti thro Servia Carply in order to open up another part of world to herself - servia, mratic Turkey possibly even Persia. Then ata a nation banksupt when does she become 50. When she cannot pay her debts. Of course if germany has forcign debts she must sooner of later (probably sooner) pay then an gold because foreyn nations insist on being paid & p must be paid in gold - they went take your mere promise (on paper) to pay them gold someday (or on demand); thats what paper money is - & foreign countries wont take it bec. ty if you cant pay them gold now it is a sign to world to you maynt be able to pay it later & they want something wh I world will accept whenever they want to trade with it - & th is gold (or diamonds or goods etc wh germany caa'd exporting). Therefore. you buy your war supplies
Jerms Fivane Nov14 abroad, in this war, you must pay for them in Gold; & as you are producing nothing for I world, & getting no gold from it, your gold supply will always be going out I never coming in & someday a limit will be found to it. But neither England nor germany is in that posita. Termany is brying practicatle nothing from outside & therefore is not getting indibled to forcyn nations to any naw materials Extent). She did wanth from abroad at t beginning of war bec. she cd not make ammunition without them - Cotton, glycerine, I suppose, copper & other things. But her chemids have set to work & found substitute for some of those things amongst I materials wh shecdget from inside. And so she does not have to go abroad for them to a great ind extent, & wo go abroad for less as time goes on. What the does is toget those things from her own people - & herallies She is piling up her indebledness to them sure. eno. She seves them
Germ. Frnsince Dov14 promises - to-pay; and when she wants to get more out of them she borrows promises - to pay back from them, & pays them back in them again; - So she docibles I and wh. she promises to pay them & then borrows her promise to pay o a third & fourth time & D on. She 1s piling up a prodigious debt to her own people - but she doesn't have to pay it in gold; because ifhe t her own people, don't trust her they can do the other thing bet they cant force her to pay in gold & she can force them to accept her promises (ah ase (same thing as her paper). The Germans who are all working for the state must be piling up these promises"; & if I state can make good its promises then at end OI war, every man having whole sheaf of promises, & they will all be very richs & if 1 state can't make good its psomises, + gives Cach them an a big bad debt, ty will all be very poor. But in I mean time workk, for wh 1 promises were given, will have been done. It will be histon by then. &I state of the german people after it is another matter altogether. They will be very

K o / K (Cont)

39
Nov 13
wanted impressed on him. [The
1st Divn is now arranging for its
own canteen from a certain "Maimaraki"
a Greek.]

Howse tackled him on three things
- canteen; potatoes; & / need for
a few further honours to / men o /
A.D.M.C. "I mean with Beeston
C.M.G. & Beck the same / thing
becomes a farce, "^Howse sd to me," if you
don't give some of these young chaps
like Tebbutt & Aspinall something.
Brennan & Thompson ought to
have a Military Cross (I'm blest
if I know why my old brother Jack
oughtn't to if they do - for he did
quite as brave work & in a perfect
manner, so they tell me). It means
tt I, who have done nothing, am
/ only one in this divn who gets
any recognitn."

Howse told K. he'd have to ask
^Australia for 100 more Drs in the spring &
100 more in June & tt he cdn't
be expected to get them unless
some recognition were granted.
"Humph - dont you think they'll

 

K of K
(Cont) 
(Hosp)

40
Nov 13
come?' sd K.

"I do," sd Howse - "far more
of them have come than o / English
doctors" - they've done far more"

"Oh" sd K.

"Yes, they've done far more," sd Howse
"Don't you think the've had
enough recognition?"

"Yes," sd H." because, of course, if
you gave them all their deserts they'd
all have to be decorated - you
couldn't distinguish. They have all
done such outstanding good work
these young Australian doctors.
But I ask you to give a few
recognitions amongst / various
states as an encouragement."

K. sd nothing then. But as
he ws leaving he shook hands
w Howse White & / rest - & said
to Howse "Well Howse, I
think I can promise you your
potatoes & your canteen. And
we'll see abt the your men."

I dont think Howse has
got his appointment in Egypt (wh
wd mean General, & D.M.S). Featherstone
has asked him to meet him there on
Friday - wh probly possibly means tt he wants
to consult him, only. But H. has

 

 K of K.
(Howse)

41
Nov 13
probably made an impression on
Kitchener. He's a deep old bird -
very different from White. White wont
push himself but is so patently good brilliant 
& so popular tt fortunately others have
recognised his ability. Howse is a
very able & I think a strong man -
but intensely ambitious & he is determined
to keep in w those who can help him.
He made it a point always to sit
by Bridges when White made it a
point sometimes to come down & sit
by us. Howse made a friend of
Birdwood - & yesty (now tt Birdwood
is away, possibly finally, & Godley in
charge here) I noticed tt on / beach
H. went straight up to Godley & ws in
his company all / time - altho' I
dont think Godley is a man he really
likes or whose ability he admires.
I have seen H. plan his way - not
obviously but none / less, deliberately
- from a passenger on / Orvieto, to
unconnected w / Expeditn, up to
D.D.M.S. of the Army Corps. He is
certainly aiming at D.M.S
of the A.I.F.- & Surgeon Genl - & I don't
know how much higher; either maybe a
permanent billet in / Defence. Dept.

 

K of K
(Cont)
Anzac Magazine

42
Nov 13
or in Gt. Britain – or possibly just /
positn for this war.
K. left the Maxwell seeing one
of our men making some stew of bully
beef asked: "Aren't the fowls laying?''
The man looked up quite unabashed -
"No" he sd "but I'll tell you what - you
might send us a turkey for Xmas."
Maxwell laughed - our men are pretty
ready w their answers.

K. left the beach at 3.30 or 3.45
- two hours or, at most, 2½ hrs after
landing. In tt ltime he had seen
almost every impt. officer & taken a
good grasp o / position.
_____
Yesterday Butler, of Intelligence,
came up to me & told me tt he &
Woods had bn thinking tt we
ought to get out an Anzac
Annual. There ws eno'
talent in / Army Corps to turn out
something really first class - on /
lines say of Printers' Pic. It might be
a really valuable memento in future
years.

In / afternoon we had a ctee
mtg - White, Butler, Woods & myself.
all who have bn spoken to approve.

 

Anzac Magazine
(Cont)
Navy -(the
Arumba.)
(Piers)
Really the
"Aruba"

43

Nov. 13
We decided to have a certain number
of competitions for cover design,
best story & so on - abt £24 in all;
& to invite all contributns by December
& have it printed in Athens. It
will have to be New Year & will
probably be late at that - wh can't
be helped. But

The price will probly be betw. 2/6 &
5/- and [ if we order 5000 4000 at
5/- that is £1000 /, so its a big
affair for a small ctee - and it
will probly run to 40,000 at least].
The name Anzac Annual
ws discarded as too suggestive.
It is to be the Anzac Magazine.

——
Received Mothers' & Fathers'
parcels - will open them on my
birthday.
——
The mails will probly be
irregular tho' we have done well
of late. I wish they had sunk
the old Arumba here (the dummy
Inflexible,) as Gen. Williams R.E. wanted
them to do. She has bn turned into

 

Navy (Piers)

44
Nov 13
a breakwater at Imbros.
Our breakwater here (the ancient
steamer Milo wh I knew to be a
bk-water / moment I saw her
in Imbros) is all out by herself,
not long eno for a good breakwater but
a wonderful help never the less.
One ole An old timber ship ws sunk
by / Turks not far away ^from / Milo & someone
suggested tt if she were filled w stones
shed make a good breakwater,
but / water solved / problem by
breaking her first. Then / Arumba
ws to be sunk outside / Milo &
wd have made a beautiful
long bkwater. But now they've sunk
her in Imbros they purpose
only filling in / space between /
Milo & / land - a paltry little
piece, - w a smaller ship.

Meanwhile / Engineers are going
on driving piles in at the Anzac
pier (Watsons) wh they don't
intend to protect & wh will go to
pieces at / first storm. "Its breakwaters
we want - not piers," sd Gen. Lesslie

 

Russians Expn
German Finance

45
Nov 13 - 14.
to me - & I must say I can't
understand why they have not
had / sense to see tt from /
beginning. You can land goods at a
behind a breakwater without a
pier; but you cannot xxx land things
at a pier xxxxxxx without / break
water at any rate in winter; & indeed
you cant have  preserve a pier without /
bkwater.
—————
No new yet of the Russians. Our
peculiar interest in it of course is tt
if / Russians get thro' / Turks will
get no shells to blow our beaches up
(within easy distance of this dugout those
shells); whereas if  / Russians don't
get thro / shells will - & that the fate of
our expeditn is on / cards.

Unless - possibly - a rumour
published in War Office News is some news
o tt expeditn - The News a wk ago sd:
The Turks report tt a great sea battle is
taking place in / Black Sea. The
news gave no result, no comment.
What does it mean? Possibly nothing
in it.

Nov. 14. Sunday.
Last night Hasty in
a talk sometime about midnight
mentioned that he thought Germany

 

German Finances
Nov 14th. This day at 1 p.m. No 1 gun of
6th Batty firing from Browne's Dip demolished
the 3rd sandbag sangar on the right & partly
demolished second sangar. They fired from
Vowles old 2 gun positn X The 8th Batty &
[Diagram] 5" Hows of 69th Bde
covered him. The place
he fired from is protected
only by a sandbag
parapet on its left & /
gun is actually visible from almost all
round. The gun ws laid direct thro' /
telescope. He cd just see / top o / parapet
over / top of Ryries post trenches. The Bty
comdr ws in No 6 post C. Sqn. 6 L.H. w shells
just clearing his head & directing / deflexion
(Stevenson). 8 roun They waited for the Hows. to
fire one round & then fired over them the gun -
8 rounds of shrap. first, for range - then HE.
The first H.E. shell penetrated the work ab its centre;
They then fired another 10 & completely demolished the
work. The turned onto similar work to NW
& 40 yds closer 12 or 15 rds first at this. Then
gtly damaged 10 rds onto barricade of black
bags to left front of first work & gtly damaged.
Ceased fire at 13 22 (i.e. after 16 mins) as being shelled
with by H.E. from Wine Glass & Olive G. Prob. at least
100 rounds first at gun by these batteries - 2
severely wd 2 slightly. Fired 40 rds altogether
Lt A W Dodd, acted No.1  ^Tempy Sergt Croft C.W. ran gun out 2 yds
when two H E  shell landed in pit

46
Nov 14
must be worn out financially before
we are. I thought so once - but I'm
blest if I think so now. The war
has proved tt Germany can practically
support herself - She can scrape along on
her own foodstuffs & what she gets from
Roumania; & I suppose she is undertaking
this expeditn thro Servia largely
in order to open up another part o /
world to herself - Servia, Asiatic Turkey,
possibly even Persia.

What makes When is a nation bankrupt -
when does she become so? When she cannot
pay her debts. Of course if Germany
has foreign debts she must sooner or
later (probably sooner) pay them in gold
because foreign nations insist
on being paid & paid must be paid in
gold - they wont take your mere
promise (on paper) to pay them gold
someday (or on demand); that is what
paper money is - & foreign countries
wont take it bec. they if you cant
pay them gold now it is a sign to /
world to you maynt be able to
pay it later & they want something
wh / world will accept whenever
they want to trade with it - & tt is
gold (or diamonds or goods etc wh
Germany isn't exporting). Therefore.
you buy your war supplies

 

Germ. Finance

47
Nov 14
abroad, in this war, you must
pay for them in Gold; & as you are
producing nothing for / world, & getting
no gold from it, your gold
supply will always be going out &
never coming in & someday a
limit will be found to it.

But neither England nor Germany
is in that positn. Germany is
buying practically nothing from
outside & therefore is not getting
indebted to foreign nations (to any
extent). She did want things ∧raw materials from
abroad at / beginning o / war bec. she
cd not make ammunition without
them - cotton, glycerine, I suppose,
copper & other things. But her chemists
have set to work & found substitutes
for some of those things amongst /
materials wh she cd get from
inside. And so she does not have
to go abroad for them to a great
extent, & will may go abroad for less as
time goes on.

What she does is to get those
things from her own people - & her allies.
She Germ is piling up her indebtedness
to them sure eno'. She gives them

 

Germ. Finance

48
Nov 14
promises-to-pay; and when she wants
to get more out of them she borrows
promises-to-pay back from them, & pays
them back in them again; - so she
doubles / amt wh she promises to pay
them & then borrows her promise-to-pay
f a third & fourth time & so on. She is
piling up a prodigious debt to her
own people - but she doesn't have
to pay it in gold; because if they don't
trust her own people don't trust
her they can do the other thing; but they
cant force her to pay in gold & she
can force them to accept her promises
(wh are / same thing as her paper).
The Germans who are all working
for the state must be piling up these
"promises"; & if / state can make
good its "promises", then at / end
o / war, every man will having
whole sheaf of promises, & they will
all be very rich; & if / state can't
make good its promises, & gives
them all each a big bad debt, they will
all be very poor. But in / meantime 
/ work, for wh / promises were
given, will have been done. It
will be history by then, & / state of the
German people after it is another
matter altogether. They will be very

 

 

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