Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/116A/1 - September 1918 - Part 2

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First World War, 1914–18
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very high standard Egoistic, vain probably, loving the military air which he can but a man give himself who will give you, as far as his work goes, full measure pressed down & running over out of the highest possible ideal of his work. thurs. Aug 12. Sent avery warm able to Pearce, supportang one from High Commrs in favour of our new System of artists - suggesting a corps of 1artists; drew up details of arrangement with N. Commr as to the whole publicity side of the Al.
Then met Hughes + his party. Marlow, Editor of the D mail, a sturdy, square, Cleanshaven Engushman o 50 or 53; Lord Bursham, a rather talkative, ait smooth diplomatic but capable few - very anxious to talk to our men in a speech at the same time as Hughers (owner of D. Felyraph); Edward Price Bell, a quiet nice chap, one of the great American Correspts in London; and old Robert Blatchford, with a big black moustache, a big eagle nose an eye like a hawk - the slowest & oldest man of the party - an ot soldier, a rebellious spirited Sociatios & now a naturat man, vere
dragging along at guielley the last of the party with his railing vet and the night ap Boaloone Sep 13t I went on Fida in the wood head of the party ear Assevillers. I told Monash that was he was unsympathetic these visite- & that a tathe of the trouble all those guns to H.C ick beer mat ert kings visit to has &in. He count Chalean fit to id very n this C4 Party visite MIS Qventin. Young officers explained them Sand Sept 15. To 15, 30d, & 4th Dions. Hughes epoke to Brd Bn at a foothall match at Peronne. He went as far as the reserve brigade of 4t Dior Pretty well done the C sof t Fthes party. Waiting letters, in our little caup at Barlene all cay a swetteringh day one of the bottest of the year. heavy thunderstorm a the momest. I have just co in from talk with Blaney. I asked him as to the origin he batth of Oct 8. Whose idea was it ? e said he had rather ut it was his - anyway it arose over afternoon eacups. It was be
clear, after Hamel that the German's opposite our front were so deteriorated as to offer a prospect of breaking thoo. Blamey Monash each spoke to the Army staff & managed to persuade Rowlenson after a time. At G.H.Q. Dill & one other were in favour i & Haig& Lawrence rather against it. When they were won over Lock was not by any means all out for it. But Debeney had independant agjested another prsh by army & Loch in a manner combined
wo & worked Debency the in thei battle scheme of The 2 Burish devisions were just to make a flank. Blaiey says that the British devticous of the next corps have been more ased than we But that is godley-& course he always worh that proves nothing (as to the proper use of our troops) He says Mouash refused to has absolutel ase the austialiant in sort of offense ahe this next one after
Blamey says that Lawrence before the August Show, Sometion in July, forecasted a probability of the relieving anadiaus our corps on or at Aug 4th- Planey also told me he had sent for me as he wd be very sorry to see any sorto fend develop between T. Mon. a ask & myself. He told me the circumstances under which Mericourt Chateau was not retained for the party, & I think he is right & that Monash did not put them in Ameens out of pique but because it was
tues. a bigger party than he expected & the Hotetdela Paix was the Easiest place to provide. Sept 17. I saw John Monast this morning & told him I thought I was mistaken in thinking he was out of sympathy with the Austialian policy of having these visitors here. John Explained to me morefully then, & tonight a, the details of the attack which we are to make tomorrow I will transcribe the Explanation when I get time. It is an extensive ambitious plan f troops as worn as these the 4th is pesher than the 18t Din
+ I think he can scarcely hope that the exploitation phase will succeed The day before Hughes left I had a talk to him The cars were late in getting petrol, & so we went to see the Catredial to pass the time. Hughes told me that he had come to hold that the important quality to possess in such dealings as he had with the British Goot, & the war office was that of not being nobbled or put off - if you stuick to your point & persisted they gave way. He had stuck to his point in the matter o e demanding home leave for
our 1914 men- thoat who have been fighting since the beginning of the war without ever getting home. All other countries armies have home leave - even the French soldiers in the Pacific get it. I know anadians get a good sick leave at any rate. The War Office said it was absolutely impossible to give it to us - Everyone Else wd want it (I suppose Canada, N.E. &J. Aprica Wdwant the same allotment, whatever Pearce it was). Brat allowed himself to be put of
Hughes said. "He. 15 as weak as water - so is Cook -so are they all. They allowed eives to be persuaded. thems 2e War Ofice and Admiralty The transport people said there were no ships so we were put off. But I insisted that the ships -2 had to be provided got them - I am apaid now to tell some of these generals - I haven't even told Monash what I am go tonight to tell the men (I had asked them to arrange for bem to meet some of the 1814. men - 9 he is doing so at Bray tonight - because I don't

very high standard -
egoistic, vain probably, loving
the military air which he can
give himself; but a man
who will give you, as far
as his work goes, full measure
pressed down & running
over out of the highest possible
ideal of his work.
Thurs. Aug 12. Sent a very
warm cable to Pearce, supporting
one from High Commr, in
favour of our new system
of artists - suggesting a
corps of 10 artists; drew
up details of arrangement
with H. Commr as to the
whole publicity side of the A.I.F.

 

 

then met Hughes & his
party - Marlow, Editor of the
D. Mail, a sturdy, square,
cleanshaven Englishman of
50 or 53; Lord Burnham, a
rather talkative, xxx smooth,
diplomatic but capable
Jew - very anxious to talk
to our men in a speech
at the same time as Hughes,
(owner of D. Telegraph); Edward
Price Bell, a quiet nice chap,
one of the great American correspts
in London; and old Robert
Blatchford, with a big black
moustache, a big eagle nose &
an eye like a hawk - the slowest
& oldest man of the party - an old
soldier, a rebellious spirited socialist 
 - & now a natural old elderly man, very

 

 


quietly - dragging along at
the tail of the party with his
overcoat trailing behind
him.
Stayed the night at Boulogne.
Friday Sept 13th I went on to Amiens Corps
at the ahead of the party - in the wood
near Assevillers. I told Monash that
the idea was he was unsympathetic
to these visits - & that a tithe of the trouble
which brought all those guns to H.Q.
for the Kings visit cd have provided made
Mericourt Chateau fit to live in. He
was very angry with me. Party visited
Corps 2nd Divn Monash says a ^ big fight ws this 
morning decided on.
Sat. Sept 14. Party visited Peronne & Mt St
Quentin. Young officers explained them.
Sund Sept 15. To 1st, 3rd, & 4th Divns.
Hughes spoke to 33rd Bn at a
football match at Peronne. He
went as far as the reserve brigade of
4th Divn.
Mon Sept 16. Pretty well done up
when I had a talk with BI
saw the last of the Hughes
party - Writing letters in our
little camp at Barleux all
day - a sweltering hot
day - one of the hottest of the year.
A heavy thunderstorm
at the moment.
I have just come
in from a talk with Blamey.
I asked him as to the
origin of the battle of Oct
8. Whose idea was it?
He said he had rather
thought it was his - anyway
it arose over afternoon
tea cups. It was becoming

 

 

clear, after Hamel,
that the Germans opposite
our front were so deteriorated
as to offer a prospect of
breaking thro:. Blamey
& Monash each spoke to
the Army staff & managed to
persuade Rawlinson after
a time. At G.H.Q. Dill
& one other were in favour
of it & Haig & Lawrence
rather against it. When
they were won over Foch
was not by any means
all out for it. But
Debeney had independently
suggested another push by
his army & Foch in
a manner combined

 

 

the two & worked Debeneys
scheme off in this battle.
The 2 British divisions
were just to make a
flank.
Blamey says that
the British divisions
of the next corps have been
more used than we -
"But that is Godley - &
of course he always would 
- that proves nothing"
(as to the proper use of
our troops).
He says Monash
has absolutely refused to
use the Australians in
any sort of offensive
after this next one.

 

 

Blamey says that
Lawrence before the
August show, sometime
in July, forecasted
a probability of the 
Canadians relieving
our Corps on or abt
Aug 4th -
Blamey also told me
he had sent for me as he wd be
very sorry to see any sort of
a feud develop between J. Monash
& myself. He told me the
circumstances under which
Mericourt Chateau was not
retained for the party, & I
think he is right & that Monash
did not put them in Amiens out
of pique but because it was

 

 

a bigger party than he expected 
& the Hotel de la Paix was
the easiest place to provide.
Tues. Sept 17. I saw John Monash
this morning & told him I
thought I was mistaken in
thinking he was out of sympathy
with the Australian policy
of having these visitors here.
John explained to me
then, & tonight also more fully, the
details of the attack which
we are to make tomorrow -
I will transcribe the explanation
when I get time. It is an
extensive ambitious plan for
troops as worn as these
(the 4th is fresher than the 1st Divn)

 

 

 

& I think he can scarcely
hope that the exploitation
phase will succeed.
The day before Hughes
left I had a talk to him.
The cars were late in getting
petrol, & so we went to see
the Cathedral to pass the time.
Hughes told me that he had
come to hold that the important
quality to possess in such
visit dealings as he had
with the British Govt, & the War
office was that of not being
nobbled or put off - if you
stuck to your point & persisted
they gave way. He had stuck 
to his point in the matter of
th demanding home leave for

 

 

our 1914 men - those who
have been fighting since
the beginning of the war
without ever getting home.
All other countries armies
have home leave - even
the French soldiers in the
Pacific get it. I know
Canadians get a good sick
leave at any rate. The
War Office said it was 
absolutely impossible to give
it to us - everyone else wd
want it (I suppose Canada,
N.Z. & S. Africa wd want
the same allotment, whatever
it was). But xx "Pearce
allowed himself to be put off",

 

 

Hughes said. "He is as weak
as water - so is Cook - so
are they all - They allowed
themselves to be persuaded.
The War Office and Admiralty
said there The transport people
said there were no ships -
& so we were put off. But
I insisted that the ships
had to be provided - & I
got them - I am afraid
even now to tell some of these
generals - I haven't even told
Monash what I am going
tonight to tell the men (I
had asked them to arrange for
him to meet some of the 1914
men - & he is doing so at Bray)
tonight - because I dont

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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