Charles E W Bean, Diaries, AWM38 3DRL 606/114/1 - June 1918 - Part 1

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AWM3S Official History, 1974-18 War: Records of C E W Bean, Official Historian. Diaries and Notebooks Hem number: 3DR1606171417 Title: Diary, June 1978 includes references to the 6th and 7th Battalions, the 1st Division and the proposed changes to the command of the Alf. AWMISS-SDRLCOGHIAH
Frnermen e e t onstden Driginal 30RL 606 TEM 114 AWM38 DIARIES AND NOTES OF C. E. W. BEAN CONCERNING THE WAR OF 1914-1918 THE use of these diaries and notes is subject to conditions laid down in the terms of gift to the Australian War Memorial. But, apart from those terms, I wish the following circumstances and considerations to be brought to the notice of every reader and writer who may use them. These writings represent only what at the moment of making them I believed to be true. The diaries were jotted down almost daily with the object of recording what was then in the writer’s mind. Often he wrote them when very tired and half asleep; also, not infrequently, what he believed to be true was not so —but it does not follow that he always discovered this, or remembered to correct the mistakes when discevered. Indeed, he could not always remember that he had written them. These records should, therefore, be used with great caution, as relating only what their author, at the time of writing, believed. Further, he cannot, of course, vouch for the accuracy of statements made to him by others and here recorded. But he did try to ensure such accuracy by consulting, as far as possible, those who had seen or otherwise taken part in the events. The constant falsity of second-hand evidence (on which a large proportion of war stories are founded) was impressed upon him by the second or third day of the Gallipoli campaign, notwithstanding that those who passed on such stories usually themselves believed them to be true. All second- hand evidence herein should be read with this in mind. AUSTRALIAN WAR MER C. E. W. BEAN. 16 Sept., 1946. ACCESS STATUS TCSEEEENNE MMMILL RECSEENNE 14
114 Jane 4th. Rrossed over to london where our Pholographic Exhibition 1s. There were very few on the Duty boat (atternoon) across channel. Feloar met me at Dictoria Willims has his Military Cross - & Churchit the Dr. June 518.7 Our exhibition if casily the best I have seen although here is too much of Hurley in it. His name is on every picture with few exceptions - including some that Wilkins took; & what should be a fine
3 manument to the sacrifics of Anatralians in France is raten an advertuement for Hurley Smart & he, o Leist of he have cach had a row. Hurby was married in Egypt & is determined to to back to Australia straight. I shall see that he does not have the management of this exhibition) there Smart suggests old Southwell, who wa be splendid: he is full of the thought of the work P trials of our men in France & has
been a good friend to them Saw Murdock He said. look here oo. Chap. I'm up to any neck in it - in the strapply against the proposed system of commands in the H.I.F.). Yours a five chap to enled a fight with? I said that Monast ed not be replaced or removed without his consent own & wish - it had gone too far for that Ie
4 would destroy confidence amongst the leaders of the Divisions & Bdes of Such a thing could happen now He saw this point & agreed. But he was strongly opposed to Birdwood Ecmnanining F.O.C. A.I.F now to hedas goner to an outside army, I told him I ad be in with him in opposing to for all I ws worth June 8th Began the correcting
10 Sat. Junedt. Lawrenss, Reaters cornopt wt Trenah reports a very treavy bombl by 1 germans abt 1 moatdidier front, On Sundy The Germans, as was rathy expected, began (Juneg) a push against the Trench from Montdedroy to Woyon evidently with this Idea - to widm DCaris their satient & threaten Paris. The question preparation for a final of course is - to this part of w push agst 1 Trench - Or is it a feint which (as prisoners havesd) 15, to precede a big push agst 1 English, ind this is on reashing france I problinct in mund there also I 6 the proposed catalogue of all our official pholographs soth I troops + wnits may bein them on an easy sestem. Pot Smart to were for Norman Lindsay. Sum JanegB. Spent all day on finishing the catalogue & fixing list of artists St. W Smart. tune of Monday Lambert is back from Palestine with a wonderbul collection of skel Smart says. He is whole hearted - has brought in every little stetal & study o only wishes to do all he can to
160 make a fraud record of the Light Horse in Palestine Tue 19. Backtfrance. II saw Murdoch before leaving +f agreed with him tt if Gen. Monash wanted to keep the Corps no effort advery well be made to persuade Hughes to take any other course. But that if necy we wd saggest white for G.O.C.A.I.F. brs that the ddeal to be anned at
was youash as J.O.C.A.C.F. & white as G.O.C. Corps. Tt I left with him a memorr for Hughes, which is aettached. He his will see Hughes on landing & will give him this & ask him not to agree to anythe until he has read it There is, I believe going to be a big fight over th question. White is
for Mr wme Hushes. Private Australia’s oversea armies and their Command. (1 Australia is under an obligation to recognise the outstandigg quality of leadership, the high coutage, exalted aims, and unswerving uprightness and fairmindedness which Gen.Birdwood devoted to the com- mand of the Australian Force overses, and his wise braadminded sympanhy with Australian wishes and ideas. It would have been greatly desired that he should continue, in his command of her troops in the field, and had he done so it would possibly have been advocated to the end that (although not a good system in theory) the administrative command of the A.I.F. as well as the active command of the corps should be centr. alised in him on account of the outstanding anthorshyekhich he had wan when the force knew his personal touch, and because of his position as founder of the Corps. (2) But it has long been agreed that the two positions were more than could be combined under a theoretically good system. And while it was contemplated that, so long as GenlBirdwoods lot was thrown with hhe Australians the system would possibly be considered expedient, it was foreseen that it would possibly be ended by his being appointed to, and consenting to go to, an army. This has now happened, but it is proposed that he should continue his duties as G.O.C.,A.I.F., as well as his command of an army. At the Corps his whole attention was given to Austr. alian troops and their problems. At an army the greater part of his atten tion must rightly be given to outside troops and problems. (3) The idea that an army commander, with his immense outside pre- occupations, can in his spare time be responsible for the administration of the A.L.F. cannot correspond to the idea which would be possessed by Audtralians of the inmense field of work and responsibility which shauld Pail upon the G.0.C. of Australia's forces overseas. Or if the import of the office is realised, then it could only mean that Australia is so conspicuously lacking in officers to Fill these posts that it is ursent to adopt an admittedly imperfect ardtimadequate system to govern Ausbral- 1as armr, and must be assumed that Gen. Birdwood is indispensable tothe Australian army even when he has consented to undertake a command outside of it. (4)The only interest to be considered in this matter is the high- est interest of the Australian nation. The question arises- why should not Australia have a perfect system for her army command if she can get 1t7 What overpowering urgency exists to force her into a wrong one 7 Two separate offices have to be filled - the more urgent from the Austril- jan point of view because of the questions of Australian national imp- ortance wrapped up with it _ that of G.O.C.,A.I.F.; the second that 5f C.O.C. Australian Corps. 1f Australia has two officers who could ably and strongly fill those positions, why should she not have that system, which is admittedly the right onef There is no question but that shehas these officers. Gen.Monash is recognised as an ofgantser of outstanding capacity and strangth; and Gen. White as possessing exceptional brilliance in the sphere of operations. There is no question that this would be a better system and that the bulk of the force would welcome it of the two. Why, at a time when the most capable Australians are first needed, should Australia lose Gen. White who, in fact, has been more than second in command of the A.I.F. from its birth, and who probably possesses more experience than any one else of its problens in the fieldf Why does Australia let

AWM
Official History
1914-18 War: Records of C E W Bean,
Official Historian.
Diaries and Notebooks
Item number: 3DRL606/114/1
Title: Diary, June 1918
Includes references to the 6th and 7th
Battalions, the 1st Division and the proposed
changes to the command of the AIF.
AWM38-3DRL606/114/1
 

 

Original                                  DIARY NO. 114
AWM38                     3DRL 606 ITEM 114 [1]
DIARIES AND NOTES OF C. E. W. BEAN
CONCERNING THE WAR OF 1914 - 1918
The use of these diaries and notes is subject to conditions laid down in the terms
of gift to the Australian War Memorial. But, apart from these terms, I wish the
following circumstances and considerations to be brought to the notice of every
reader and writer who may use them.
These writings represent only what at the moment of making I believed to be
true. The diaries were jotted down almost daily with the object of recording what
was then in the writer's mind. Often he wrote them very tired and half asleep; 
also, not infrequently, what he believed to be true was not so - but it does not
follow that he always discovered this, or remembered to correct the mistakes when
discovered. Indeed, he could not always remember that he had written them.
These records should, therefore, be used with great caution, as relating only what
their author, at the time of writing, believed. Further, he cannot, of course, vouch
for the accuracy of statements made to him by others and here recorded. But he
did try to ensure such accuracy by consulting, as far as possible, those who had
seen or otherwise taken part in the events. The constant falsity of second-hand
evidence (on which a large proportion of war stories are founded) was impressed
upon him by the second or third day of the Gallipoli campaign, notwithstanding that 
those who passed on such stories usually themselves believed them to be true. All 
second-hand evidence herein should be read with this in mind.
16 Sept., 1946.                                                                C.E.W. BEAN
AUSTRALIAN WAR MEMORIAL
ACCESS STATUS
OPEN

[*(17735) Wt. 2205—SK550. 100000. 1/18. Sir J. C. & S.*]

 

106       114  1
June 4th   Crossed over to London where our
photographic exhibition is. There were very
few on the Duty boat (afternoon) across
channel. Treloar met me at Victoria
Wilkins has his. Military Cross – & Churchill the DSO
June 5th, 6th, 7th. Our exhibition is easily the best
I have seen although there is too much of
Hurley in it _ His name is on every picture
with few exceptions — including some that
Wilkins took; & what should be a fine

 

106         2
monument to the sacrifice of Australians in
France is rather an advertisement for Hurley.
Smart & he, & Leist & he have each had
a row. Hurley was married in Egypt &
is determined to go back to Australia 
Straight. I shall see that he does not have
the management of this exhibition there –
Smart suggests old Southwell who wd be
splendid: he is full of the thought of the 
work & trials of our men in France & has

 

106       3
been a good friend to them.
Saw Murdoch. He said: "Look here old
Chap, I'm up to my neck in it" — (in
the struggle against the proposed system
of commands in the A.I.F.). "You're a
fine chap to enter a fight with!"
I said that Monash cd not be
replaced or removed without his ^own consent
& wish —  it had gone too far for that. It

 

106      4
would destroy confidence amongst the
leaders of the Division & Bdes if such
a thing could happen now.
He saw this point & agreed. But
he was strongly opposed to Birdwood
remaining G.O.C.  A.I.F now tt he has
gone to an outside army. I told him
I wd be in with him in opposing tt
for all I ws worth.
June 8.th Began the correcting of

 

5   106
Sat. June 8th. Lawrence, Reuters correspt w / French reports
a very heavy bombt by / Germans abt / Montdidier front.
On Sunday The Germans, as was rather expected, began
(June 9/12)
a push against the French from Montdidier
to Noyon Hand drawn diagram - see original document
evidently                                  
with this idea 

– to widen
their salient & threaten Paris. The question 

of course is – is this part of his preparation for a final
push agst / French – or is it a feint
which (as prisoners have sd) is to precede
a big push agst / English.
(On reaching France I find this is /
problem in mind there also)

106  6 

the proposed catalogue of all our 
official photographs so tt / troops & units
may buy them on an easy septum. Got Smart
to wire for Norman Lindsay.
Sun. June 9 X. Spent all day on finishing the 
catalogue & fixing list of artists etc. w Smart.
June 9. Monday Lambert is back from
Palestine with a wonderful collection of sketches
Smart says. He is whole hearted – has
brought in every little sketch & study & 
only wishes to do all he can to   

 

106   7
make a grand record of the Light
Horse in Palestine.
Mon. June 10. Back to France. I saw
Murdoch before leaving & I agreed with
him tt if Gen. Monash wanted to
keep the Corps no effort cd very well
be made to persuade Hughes to take
any other course. But That if necy
we wd suggest White for G.O.C, A.I.F,
but Birdie that the ideal to be aimed at

 

106    8
was Monash as G.O.C., A.I.F. & White as
G.O.C. Corps. Jock I left with him a 
memoir for Hughes, which is attached _ He
will see Hughes on ^his landing & will give him
this & ask him not to agree to anything
until he has read it.
There is, I believe, going to be a
big fight over this question. White is

 

[*106 was Monash 
G.O.C. Corps. 

memoir for
will see Hughes
this & ask
until he
There 
big fight*]
for Mr W M Hughes.
Private
Australia's oversea armies and their Command. 
(1) Australia is under an obligation to recognise the outstandigg 
quality of leadership, the high courage, exalted aims, and unswerving 
uprightness and fairmindedness which Gen. Birdwood devoted to the command
of the Australian Force oversea, and his wise broadminded sympahhy 
with Australian wishes and ideas. It would have been greatly desired 
that he should continue in his command of her troops in the field, and 
had he done so it would possibly have been advocated to the end that 
(although not a good system in theory) the administrative command of 
the A.I.F. as well as the active command of the corps should be centralised 
in him on account of the outstanding authorityewhich he had won 
when the force knew his personal touch, and because of his position as  
founder of the Corps. 
(2) But it has long been agreed that the two positions were more 
than could be combined under a theoretically good system. And while it 
was contemplated that, so long as Gen.M Birdwoods lot was thrown with hhe
Australians the system would possibly be considered expedient, it was 
foreseen that it would possibly be ended by his being appointed to, and
consenting to go to, an army. This has now happened, but it is proposed 
that he should continue his duties as G.O.C., A.I.F., as well as his 
command of an army. At the Corps his whole attention was given to Australian
troops and their problems. At an army the greater part of his attention 
must rightly be given to outside troops and problems. 
(3) The idea that an army commander, with his immense outside preoccupations, 
can in his spare time be responsible for the administration 
of the A.I.F. cannot correspond to the idea which would be possessed by 
Australians of the immense field of work and responsibility which should 
fall upon the G.O.C. of Australia's forces overseas. Or if the import of 
the office is realised, then it could only mean that Australia is so 
conspicuously lacking in officers to fill these posts that it is urgent 
to adopt an admittedly imperfect andtinadequate system to govern Australias 
army; and must be assumed that Gen. Birdwood is indispensable to the 
Australian army even when he has consented to undertake a command outside 
of it. 
(4) The only interest to be considered in this matter is the higghest 
interest of the Australian nation. The question arises - why should 
not Australia have a perfect system for her army command if she can get 
it? What overpowering urgency exists to force her into a wrong one? Two 
separate offices have to be filled - the more urgent from the Australian 
point of view because of the questions of Australian national importance 
wrapped up with it _ that of G.O.C., A.I.F.; the second that of 
G.O.C. Australian Corps. If Australia has two officers who could ably 
and strongly fill these positions, why should she not have that system, 
which is admittedly the right one? There is no question but that she has 
these officers. Gen. Monash is recognised as an organiser of outstanding 
capacity and strangth; and Gen. White as possessing exceptional brilliance 
in the sphere of operations. 
There is no question that this would be a better system and 
that the bulk of the force would welcome it of the two. Why, at a time 
when the most capable Australians are first needed, should Australia 
lose Gen. White who, in fact, has been more than second in command of 
the A.I.F. from its birth, and who probably possesses more experience 
than any one else of its problems in the field? Why does Australia let 

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