General, Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 22, 10 April - 1 June 1919- Part 10

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.2. Director-General said that all but say 1000 on N.M.E. should be cleared by end of this year. Director-General instructed D.D.G. to approach W.O. 13. with a request that a pool of 5000 Australians in British Army be formed at Winchester. (Note: This was done on 22.5.19 but W.O. do not seem to have anything like 5000 of this category serving or demobilised). Director-General raised the question of the closing 14. of Weymouth Depot. D.M.S. and General McGlinn each to make a further report on this point. Director-General raised the question of providing 15. further Family Ship accommodation, and later, instructed D.D.G. to issue orders to 2.D. that any suitable ships on the lists for June and July were to be conditioned as Family Ships, where this could be done without dislocation and delay to the programme as a whole. Brig.-General. D/Director-General. Repatriation & Demobilis ation Dept, A. I. F. 23.5.19. Distribution: D.e. D.D.G. 1.D. 2.D. 3.D. H.9, A.I.F. [B.G i/c Admin:) D.M.S. A.I.F. H.Q, A.I.F. Depots in U.K. Liaison to Min: for Defence Commander Parker Col: Whitham War Diary
21st May 1919. Anuuuuns A. DEMOBILISATION PROGRAMME, MAY-JUNE 1919. a. Vessels of April programme sailed in May:- China 1,117 1,029 Leicestershire 1,226 Devanha 1,2 Orontes 6,087 438 Soudan Vessels of May programme sailed or sailing in May: 1,516 Kaisar-i-Hind 559 Karoola 1,059 Zealandia 457 Wahehe 1,820 Borda 1.538 Port Napier 1,136 Ypiranga 821 Durham 671 Nestor 654 Bremen 755 Rio Pardo 755 Rio Negro 1,225 Aeneas 1,586 15, 952 Beltana Vessels of May programme still in doubt: 1,090 1030 Port Darwin Probable May total 23 198 Vessels shown in estimate of 7th May as probably sailing In Kay, but actually salling in June: 1,456 Somali early 1,313 Madras 1,433 Themistocles 5,540 588 Miltiades sailing in June: Vessels of May programme Konig Friedrich 897 August. early 1,602 Konigin Luise 530 Windhuk 1;067 Swakopmund 626 Ormonde mid 790 Prinz Ludwig 1,213 Frankfurt 841 Prinz Hubertus 1.340 Friedrichsruh 960 end Norman 12,166 1.300 Oxfordshire d. e.
f. .2. Vessels scheduled for June and expected to sail in June: 1,310 early June Mahia 990 Port Lyttleton 1,600 mid June Main 1,540 Chemnitz 1.795 Macedonja 1, 420 end June Persie 1,500 mid June Orita 1,300 Malta 1,750 end June Wiltshire 1,380 mid June Burma 1,460 end June Takada 17,655 mid June 1,610 Karmala g. Vessels scheduled for June but doubtful as to seiling in June. end June Boorara 880 Port Hacking 1,020 Mamara 976 Somerset 1,050 City of Exeter 1,150 Morvada 1,000 6.976 Cawdor Castle 82 337 Possible June total h. Zessels scheduled for June and sailing in July: 1,250 Port Melbourne lst week 1.800 Argyllshire 1,000 Margha 1.320 Delta 1,000 Chepstow Castle 1,000 7.370 Berwick Castle
21st May 1919. Probable July Sailings. -- Others. Regular Australian Liners. Margha 1.250 Port Melbourne 1,800 Delta Argyllshire Chepstow Castle 1220 Demosthenes 1,100 Berwick Castle Kanowna Lancashire 1,780 Ulysses Derbyshire 2,250 Ceramic City of York 600 Bakara Kasmir 750 Barambah 1,470 Ascanius 1,470 Anchises 13,590 9.341 22, 931 1,000 1,320 1,000 1,000 1,300 1,028 1,050 1,643 9,341
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.2.

Director-General said that all but say 1000 on N.M.E.

should be cleared by end of this year.

13. Director-General instructed D.D.G. to approach W.0. with a request that a pool fo 5000 Australians in British Army be formed at Winchester.

(Note: This was done on 22.5.19 but W.O do not seem

to have anything like 5000 of this category serving or demoblised).

14. Director-General raised the question of the closing of Weymouth Depot. D.M.S. and General McGlinn each to make a further report on this point. 

15. Director-General raised the question of providing 

further Family Ship accommodation, and later, instructed D.D.G. to issue orders to 2.D. that any suitable ships on the lists for June and July were to be conditioned as Family Ships, where this could be done without dislocation and delay to the programme as a whole.

 

Brig.-General.

D/Director-General.

23.5.19. Repatriation & Demobilisation Dept, A. I. F.

 

Distribution:

D.G.        1.

D.D.G.    1.

1.D.          1.

2.D.         1.

3.D.         1.

H.Q,  A.I.F.  (B.G i/c Admin:)     1.

D.M.S.  A.I.F                                 1.

H.Q,  A.I.F. Depots in U.K.        1.

Liaison to Min: for Defence    1.

Commander Parker                 1.

Col : Whitham                            1.

War Diary                                    3.

 

ANNEXURE A.  21st May 1919.

 

DEMOBILISATION PROGRAMME, MAY-JUNE 1919.

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a.  Vessels of April programme sailed in May:-

 

China                      1,117

Leicestershire       1,029

Devanha                1,226

Orontes                  1,277

Soudan                  1,438          6,087

b.  Vessels of May programme sailed or sailing in May:-

 

Kaisar-i-Hind        1,516

Karoola                    559

Zealandia              1,059

Wahehe                   457

Borda                     1,820

Port Napier           1,538

Ypiranga                1,136

Durham                   821

Nestor                    2,071

Bremen                    654

Rio Pardo                  755

Rio Negro                  755

Aeneas                     1,225

Beltana                    1,586         15,952

 

c.  Vessels of May programme still in doubt:-

Port Darwin            1,090         1,090 

Probable May total  -             23,129  

 

d.  Vessels shown in estimate of 7th May as probably sailing

in May, but actually sailing in June:-

Somali         early     1,456

Madras            "         1,313

Themistocles "         1,433

Miltiades         "         1,338          5,540

 

e.  Vessels of May programme sailing in June:-

Konig Friedrich

August.             early    897

Konigin Luise      "      1,602

Windhuk              "         530

Swakopmund     "      1,067

Ormonde           m"id 1,626

Prinz Ludwig       "        790

Frankfurt              "       1,213

Prinz Hubertus   "         841

Friederichsruh    "       1,340

Norman              end     960

Oxfordshire           "      1,300        12,166

 

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f.  Vessels scheduled for June and expected to sail in June:

Mahia                       early June                     1,310

Port Lyttleton                  "                                990

Main                          mid June                      1,600

Chemnitz                         "                               1,540

Macdonia                         "                               1,795

Persic                         end June                      1,420

Orita                           mid June                      1,500

Malta                                 "                               1,300

Wiltshire                    end June                     1,750

Burma                        mid June                     1,380

Takada                        end June                     1,460

Karmala                     mid June                     1,610        17,655

 

g. Vessels scheduled for June but doubtful as to sailing

in June.

Boorara                       end June                        900

Port Hacking                    "                                  880

Mamara                             "                                 1,020

Somerset                          "                                    976

City of Exeter                   "                                  1,050

Morvada                           "                                   1,150

Cawdor Castle                 "                                  1,000       6,976  

Possible June total   -                                                      42,337  

 

h. Vessels scheduled for June and sailing in July:

Port Melbourne           1st week                      1,250

Argyllshire                           "                               1,800

Margha                                                                 1,000

Delta                                                                      1,320

Chepstow Castle                                                1,000

Berwick Castle                                                    1,000       7,370

 

21st May 1919.

 

Probable July Sailings.

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Regular Australian Liners.                                Others.

Port Melbourne      1,250                 Margha                    1,000

Argyllshire                1,800                Delta                         1,320

Demosthenes         1,120                 Chepstow Castle    1,000

Kanowna                  1,100                 Berwick Castle       1,000

Ulysses                      1,780                 Lancashire              1,300

Ceramic                    2,250                 Derbyshire              1,028

Bakara                         600                 City of York              1,050

Barambah                   750                 Kasmir                      1,643

Ascanius                     1,470                                                  _______

Anchises                     1,470                                                   9,341

                                    _______

                                     13,590

                                       9,341 

                                     22,931

 

RLC 

25/5/19

Mr McBeath.

 

1.)   organisation.

2.)  Introduce heads.

3.)  Minsiterial file & authorities

Board & White.

4.)  My original lecture

5.)  My G.I.'s.  ____

6.)  Repatriation 

Education

Equipment.

7)  Repatriation - Statistion

Methods

diagrams.

shipping

troop movements.

family ships

8) Psychology - pamphlets

propaganda

9)  Education - University

[Term out?]

Agriculture

Survey

Industrial.

10)  Finance - Ryan.

 

RD

26/5/19

 

Salanastra

Tidworth

 

For McGlinn aaa Am awaiting your reply

concerning petition by Transport and Supply

personnel at Warminster [[aaa]] Monash

 

[[??Demobanst]]

 

26/5/19

R.D

 

With the steady dissolution of the A.I.F. all the many agencies which came into existence, during the Great War, for the comfort, entertainment and welfare of our Australian soldiers are disappearing

one by one. - Who can write or speak in adequate appreciation of the splendid work done by so many helpers in so many different fields of effort? - Not least among the activities which have helped to

soften the rigours and hardships of the war have been the newssheets and papers which have striven to keep our men in touch with their homeland. - On their behalf and my own, I tender my very grateful

thanks to the "Anzac Bulletin" for the a splendid & so well sustained effort in this direction. - It was always eagerly awaited and gratefully read. - None of our soldiers' news sheets can claim a finer and or more useful career, and now, on the eve of the close of its publication we tender to Capt Senartt and his many

helpers assistance our warmest appreciation. -

Letter to Capt Smart.       Lieut-General.

 

R.D.

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26/5/19

 

Minister for Defence.

 

The main contention of the  Sir Joseph McClay, that the present inadequate supply of shipping arises, not from an insufficiency of ships, but from long delays in preparing the available ships for the reception of troops, is to a large extent true. But I have all along contended that the Ministry could have anticipated, and did in fact ^have every reason to anticipate, these very delays, and ought therefore to have provided ^heretofore a liberal margin of

shipping for any given period, so that the proportion actually capablesa of being got ready within such period would correspond ^more nearly to our actual

demands. -

 

The present situation ^which has matured in the last few days is that an exceptionally large number of ships have been provisioned nominated, on paper, for June. - If these promises could be fulfilled, our requirements ^for June would be adequately met; but I am absolutely certain, on information already accesible to me available, that not more than, at most, 70 per cent of the shipping promised for June can possibly be got ready to sail in June. - It is quite probable that the actual realization will be even less than the percentage I named. -

 

The remedy would have been to have put a larger number of ship

The present situation of our Demobilization is such, however, that the outlook could not hardly be improved by putting in hand, at this late hour, any additional ships. - We are now ^at last secure as regards total tonnage placed at our disposal. - Our present trouble is ^confined to the loss of time & expense to us of the protracted period occupied in preparing that amount of tonnage for the embarkation of our troops; ^seeing that the June

programme is likely ^xxxx to extend well into July. -

 

I doubt whether any practical benefit would accrue to us by categorically challenging the accuracy of the first three opening paragraphs of Sir Joseph

McClay's letter to you of May 21. - But he is undoubtedly wrong in all the statements all the arguments which he advances. -

 

The first paragraph varies the old dispute as to scale of loading. The difference in ours & the Ministry's standard would, however, at most, account for only 4000 out of the actual deficiency of 13000. -

 

The second paragraph is a substantial admission of the failure of the shipping Ministry to keep their April promise programme. - We "agreed" to that programme only ^in the sense that we accepted it and only because we had no option, the Ministry stating that it was the best they could do. -

 

RD

4 Copies

26/5/19

 

Col Douglas Dawson

Registrar, - Central Chancery

St. James's Palace S.W.1.

 

Sir

In reply to notification of 24th inst. I shall attend at the Palace on Saturday 31st May at 10.30 for Investiture as G.C.M.G. -

 

General Birdwood has ^however informed me that he has himself been in communication with Col. Clive Wigram with a view to arranging a private 

Investiture, - before that date - for himself, General Currie and myself. - 

 

In the either event of the investiture to might I crave the indulgence of an extra card of admission for, that is two, one for Lady Monash and one for my daughters - they having just arrived from Australia

& being ^both greatly desirous of the privilege of witnessing the ceremony

Yours faithfully

 

Lieut. General.

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RD

4 Copies

26/5/19

 

The Prelate

Chancery of St.Michael & St George.

Colonial office, Downing St, S.W.1.

 

Sir.

Further to my letter to you of 21/5/19, I have now received a notification to attend at the Palace on May 31 for Investiture as G.C.M.G.

I shall therefore be able to attend the ceremony at St Paul's Cathedral on June 2 in full regalia.

 

You kindly informed me that you could arrange for me to obtain on hire a mantle & chapeau. - Would you kindly therefore ^at once bespeak a set of robes on my behalf, & inform me where I may apply for them.

 

I have already submitted an application to you for tickets of admission to the Cathedral for Lady Monash & my daughters.

Yours faithfully.

Lieut. General.

 

 

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