General, Sir John Monash, Personal Files Book 21, 3 October - 24 November 1918 - Part 8

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300. INTER-OFFICE MINUTE. hhr bilbesnd url Paos Urtt or Mnen der for Sorler i mng mmmenea Chrd or he Snnie i Ae Ire Oh. Foneg A f ar e Brnt Lior anst ur Mag 16 grteng Rer eh. M o Cuiisseer n! Rondeg tucd 7. Aptid 5a TAc Nir Geut mit 12 o Ctt. 15 enggei M in erur 16. 12
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S Tott Goshgemn da To Tla Resgenget Lin Varineres mlsvmand sltigt Aikstent gN.cOS. Lhaskiøn g Homenedetert Gorble adtealson - Erasti t otet t This Frtenat Hanafet talasftn Strange Arüünng, Stnt - fonig treetg vest Sptz danon fus g to fel Por Krcangg trgrot Fürfe mndes. Merungement H Rndi op deng i Ssjie Btnn Sans til Ponsett 4 Knres a No.6 Ihr. Basae aue I 7 Shass -Anveeloves --ttbbenaed.
31.12.18. Dinner given by the Secretary of State for War to Field Marshal Sir Douglas Haig and the Army Commanders,on se/x/? Major Thornton. Lt. Colonel Bowly. Lt. Colonel Amery. Major-Genl. Radcliffe. Major-Genl. Thwaites. Mr. Weir. Sir Sam Fay. Major-Genl. Feilding. g Major-Genl. Sykes. Lt.-Genl. Sir C. Macdonogh.7 Lieut.-Genl. Sir F. Davies. Lt.-Genl. Sir J. Monash. Lieut.-Genl. Sir H. Gough. Field Marshal Sir D. Haig. Lieut.-Genl. Sir J. Cowans.Z The Secretary of State./o General Sir H. Horne. 3 Generl Sir W. Birdwood. The Rt.Hon. Ian Macpherson.7 General Sir H. Wilson." General the Hon. Sir J. Byng.4 General Sir N. Macready. General Sir W. Robertson. 5 Major-General Harington. The Rt. Hon. H. Forster. 6. Lt.-Genl. Sir G. Fowke. Heut.-Genl. T. Clarke. Sir R. Brade. Major-Genl. Sir W. Furse. Major-Genl. Sir A. Lynden Bell, The Earl Stanhope. Major Sir P. Sassoon. Lieut.-Genl. Griscom. Mr. Creedy. (Entrance). 1. Fomerhs camegding fiftt lrand 2. Ggarter tHastas Sanadl, at War Offee 3. Comandg dyget dmd d. Caandelg Annt Aanndg. s. cjussc tluted Ringdad 6. Jipranaal danetang to War Offrer 7. Dartenentang Hfndev - ennrtang forldar 8. Commandend Lonkon destrnif A. Adgatant Mnnal, at War Ofpee vo. sho Viregnng othrlard " Kolnegt Ire Sonpenee lenenrt baf.
Skan keig or kot OtY E UkSatr. tonr- Corpe Headquartors, Joth October, 1918. Nt4OdUNTTIRS- Maj.Oen. Sir J.J.TALSOT HOBES KCB. AUSTRRAN GGRPS Commanding Sth Aust. Division. AJ.Gen. E.G. SINCLAIR-MACLAGAN, CB.,DSO., Commanding eth Aust. Dlvision. 15223 maj.Con. J. CLLLIEAAAS, CB.,L50., Commanding 3nd Aust. Division. Brig.Con. J.C.AOBLAfson, cro.,1o. /Commanding Znd Aust. Division. Erig.Cen. H.G.EMAAETT, CB.,CAC., (vor Maj. Gen.T. F. CLABGOw, CB., CAS.,50., Commanding lst Aust. Division.) The question of the further employment of the Australian 1.- Corps in the near future has been the subject of lengthy discussion between the Honourable the Frime Minister, the war Office, the Commander-in-Chief, the Army Commander and myself.- As the result of these discussions, and for reasons shich will be explained in due course, it appoars inevitable that, in the event of the enemy not immediately accepting tho armistice terms which are to be propounded this week, the services of the Corps will be required in the very near future, to take up a portion of the Front now held by the rourth Army. The date and nature of employment cannot be definitely 2.- foreshadowed as it is contingent upon the results of an operation on a very large scalo which will take place in the course of the next few days.- It is quito possible, however, that 2 of the Divisions of the Corpe may receive orders to move forward by train early in the coming week.- After careful consideration of the relative strongthe of 3.- our Erigades, and of the periods of rest which the several Livisions have enjoyed, I have come to the conclusion that the only criterion, to determine the order of employment of the Divisions in future, is the period of rest chich the troops have enjoyed.- I propose, therefore, to adhere strictly to the order of employment of the Divisions according to their recent periods of service and rest.- The order of employment will therefore be as folloss:- lst, ath, Srd, Sth, 2nd, Dtvisions. The Army Commander foreshadows that the nature of the 4.- employment is likely to be very much less arduous than was hitherto the case, and the approach of winter makes it ressonably certain thet no lengthy offensive period need be contemplated.- It is probable, therefore, that the 2 Divisions first employed will not be
required for longer than about a weck or ten days, when they will be relieved by the next 2 in order of choice. - The Army Commander feels that he ought to explain 5.- personally to senior officers of the Corpe the military aspects of the present situation, and he is therefore desirous of weeting senior officers for a short talk with hin. In pursuance of this, I shall be glad if Divisiopal e.- Commanders, with their C.6.O's (I) and, if available, their Brigade Commanders and C's.R.A., will assemble at the Headquarters of the 2nd Australian Division at EzLLOX on the afternoon of rriday, lst November.- The Arsy Commander, who is travelling up from VERSAILLES, expects to reach this location at 4 p.m. In order to enable me to get in touch with Divisional 7.- Commanders on Corps questions of Organization, Appointments, and Treining, I shall be glad if you will arrange to be in attendance at 3 o'elock on that afternoon.- This will allow me an hour to deal with matters of routine before the arrival of the Army Commander. Please acknowledge safe receipt of this letter by wire. Lieut.-General, Commanding Australian Corps.
6. Skeng kotn gosten MM4 1) komed bitee itugjest a leller 65 Lenrns Biurnd, tich d Mnla tieke khinn Parat kor van Gehie hen hr. Bear Kot hi Thulasg, id. u hetngg kä okiiet Kiotar 9 Krbrar u dehenden t on A2 Har brane a Stist lienee tor hir hislin o Tr Aaskaki- kon ur K. biar. Shi leenn bang hieditrale ar it lanes at te hamn an faeter aud hi Alegedogrient ushect, It den derireble tal Tunetns ichs har ben dedseieliit hiüch te Ente i her knnn Ki. 265 i 25 durestond kemnkintier ämta t. matette t san Jurlisous. Hennel (austen i anerin Ar kods kn , tänn Kottte
Dine No. 48 (Orders 284-276) ROUTINE ORDERS By Lieut.-Gen. Sir John MONASH, K.CB. V.D. Commanding AUSTRALIAN Corps. HEADQUARTERS November 3. 1918. 264. Honours and Awards. French Croix de Guerre avec Palme has been awarded to the undermentioned Offcers: Lieut-General Sir JOHN MONASH, K.C.B, V.B. Commanding Australian Corps. Major-General T. W GLASGOW, CB.E.N.G. DS.O. Commanding 1st Australian Division. Major-General C. ROSENTHAL, Q.B. CMG. DSO. Commanding 2nd Austrahian Division. Major-General E G. SINCLAIR-MACLAGAN, CB. DSO. Commanding 4th Australian Division. 285. Congratulatory – The Corps Commander wishes to express his apprecia¬ tion of the gallant services rendered by the undermentioned Offcers and O Rs. during the recentoperations: 29th Battalion, A LF. 2/ Lieut. H. T. WILLIAMS 29th Lieut. J. ANDERSON 30th Battalion, AIF. Capt. T. C. BARBOUR Lieut. C. R. BROWNE 31st Battalion, A.IF. 31st Lieut. E. L. SEARLE 31st Captain R. C. ALAND, M.C. Lieut.G.S. DELLIT 31st 3Znd Battalion, AIF. 2 Lieut. BJ. KITSON Lieut. A. B. R. E. WILLISON, M.C. 46th Battalion, A.IF. Lieut. A. J. C. MURIEL, M.C. 46th . . .. Lieut. A. J. HUDSON 46th 2/Lieut. P. E. RALPH, M. M. 33rd Battalon, AIF. 53rd Lieut. A. C. ELLIOT, MC. 56th Battalion, A.LF. Lieut. G. R. COURTNEY Lieut. H. G. HACKWORTHY,MC 5th Aust. M.G. Battalion. .Lieut. H. MILLER 55th Battalion, A.IF. 2 Lieut. M. F. G. HARE 5th Pioneer Battalion, A.LF. 29th Battalion, A.IF. Pte. (L/Cpl) D. P. BURTON 2984. Pte. L. MARTIN 31st Battalion, ALF. Pte. C.N. THOMAS 31st Pte.F.S.OMALLE 29th Battalion, ALF. 279 LICPL. R. C. JOHANSEN 4103 296h Pte. C. A. OLIVE . 4309 Pte. F. G. HAYWARD 359 Sgt. B. B. WELCH 3578 Pte. W. MCKENZIE 29th 29th LICPL. R. DEAN 3027 Pte. J. R. SHADY 29th 258 L.Cpl.S.G. HOLLINS 797A Pte. R. WARNE, M M. 3lst Battalon,AIF 3635 Pte. A. E. VINA 32nd Battalion, A.LF. 4378 Pte. J. B. WATT 31st Battalon, A.IF. 856A Pte. A. G. DOWD 31st 2935 Sgt. R. H. GORRY 31st 3583 C R. LINDSA 31st 3407 Pte. U. C. RUNDLE 3lst 3204 L/Opl. H. CLARKE 31st
Congratulatory.-Contnued. 32 Pte. E. Mo ORMACK lst Battalon, AIF. GRANTH o e .M.M. th Battalon,Af o m ge sow in Battaion AIF an n anon.MM. SpL. P. RA' 28 Jrd Battalon AIF. ith Battalon, AIF. Wiu ." ERSON ARNE n e. Battalon AIF. G. J. MILNE 4. BALL en et L.T.M. Battery e attalon AlF. th Pioneer Battalon, AIF. woop )L. VERNON. DOM. Pte. A. F. HECTOR . 2od Con agratulatory-The following messages are published forthe information ofllrank We the members of the Australian Munitions Workers, Kingston-on-Thames ey, England, wieh to express to our noble and brave Australan Brothers in Arn leep sense of our appreciation of the magnincient dash and courage displayed by all ranks in this the greatest of all battle have made the name of the Australia ring throughout By your achiev and selfresource and courage in the face of death our initia ned your objectives and you have earned for yourselves the reputatio have obtain he World greatest soldiers nente from day to day with pride, and we hope and trust that the greatest of all your o bjectives (the ending of this stru ggle) will be gai come you Home,shake yo¬ ur hands andsay, no distant date, and that we done, thou good and feithful servant. m General Si W. R. BIRDWOOD, K.C.B., K. C.SI, K.C.M.G, C.LE, D.SO, to the Department of Defence, Mielboerne:- lst and eth Australau Divisions have again done excellent piece of work, cspturing 3000 prisoners and 30 guns. From Department of Defence, Melbourne, to General Sir W. R. BIRDWOOD, K.C.B. Your telegramm 19th September reporting gimportant capture of mnen and maateria) received. These continual reports of the y lst Division and ath Division has bee eroiem and enectiveness of our t troops an ratiying, and the Commonwealth Government sends its congratulations to all conce 267. Congratulatory.- Corps Commander wiehes to exprese his appreciation of the ichowing acte of salled Captain T. A. WHITE, M.O. 18th Battallion. AIF. Oa the night of the 9th October, 1918, a man sccidentally iell into the CANAL, e spot was abo hat the k and not the men him. Severa! ti ne bein and it was it becamne cestein that the man, found, would be already dead, that he gave up foris at resd (An entry wül be made in this Ofücers reoordsin sccordenoe with K.R. para. 1919 (rivl.) 208. Court Martial upon Ofcers.- oucth an nny Routine Order No. 2378 of 8-8-18 wiI NOT a the A.I.F. of Courts Martial held upd ersoftheA.LF.w tracte t anded A.G., A.1.F., and to Australen Sechion, 3rd Echelon 288. e of Certincates to Units with Establishn nent or Moto sles and Side Cars.I R.O. 5613 S.M.T.O. wüllb reference to G responsible for the jssue of certincates to nits of the Australan Corpe, who hav on their authoiised establiehment Motor-Cycles or Side-Cars. Unite will spply to himn for oertifostes required. 270. OTcers P g through Abbeville. noer movin company their troopsto the RestCamp orother place allotted to them as acoon ation by the Camp Commandant. 2. The Omcere' Rest Houee, 78 Rue St. Gilles, is open all night and has sleeping ommmo'ation for 74 ofücers, includin ng the dormutory attached to it. Meals can be obtained at all hours of the day and night. Al offoers who wieh to slee the Rest House will report to the A.P.M., ABBE- VILLE Area, who has instre ons only to issue passos stamped by the R.T.O. certifying oftoers cannot be sent forward that night.
3. Offoers' Room in the Rest Camp. A oaretaker has been appointed who will obtain refreshment for ofücers from the E.F. Canteen in the Rest Camp on cash payment. 4. Sleeping accommodation at the Rest Camp existsforöofnicers in the Ofücers Room and for 18 ofücers in the Ofücers' Hut The Rest Camp Commandant will also make arrangements for a shakedowu for another 20 ofücers. 5. Allofücers, especially senior ofücers, willafford their utmostassistance to the Rest Camp Commandant in supporting his authority in maintaining discipline and carrying out Camp Orders 2/1. Grazing – Owing to the present conditions, and the reduced scale ofrations, it is of urgent importance that full advantage be taken of all grazing in the neighbour hood of horse lines. Corps will take a personal interest in seeing that this order is complied with. Unless held on their lines in case of a sudden call or preparatory to carrying outa detail of dety, no horses should be on their standings during the hours of daylight. 72. General Instructions for the Employment of the G.M. VV. A. A.C.- Attention is directed to A.G.sGeneral Instructions for employment ofthe O.M.A.A. Corps with British Armies in France, para. 14. Members of the Q.M.A.A.C. when of duty, will not normally associate with Offcers or othecranks of the British Armiessin France, except with those holding raaks comparable with their own grade. Aspecial permission in individual cases may be given by en Administrator 278. Maintenance of Roads. 1. The success of future operations depends to a considerable extent upon the condition of the roads in frontofrailheads. 2. These roads are at present being damaged unnecessarily by the excessivespeed at which M.T. vehicles of all natures are being driven over them. 3. Repeated orders have been issued on this subject, but the steps necessary to enforce them do not appear to have been taken in all cases. 4. As the westher gets wetteg and the railway situation-bomes more dificutt, the denvery of stone will be retarded, and the roads will break down, unless immediate steps are taken to safeguard them. 5. The Army Commander desires Commanders to give their special attention vo this important matter and totake such measures as they consider necessary to ensure thatthe orders on the subject are enforced. 274. Sanitation.- 1. Attention is direczed to Fourth Army Standing Order 966, which is published ion information- A Sanitary Section is not responsible for, and is not in a position tocarry out, the provision and erection of the varous sanitary appliances that are necessary in an area. Every Unit must be able to maintain satisfactory sanitation with improvisedappliances until more permanent structures have been supplied. 2. Divisions will strictly comply wich the provisions of standing orders for A.A.M.C. Australian Corps, Section II, para 8, and will forward areportto Corps Headquarters from Units, stating that these orders have been carried into effect. 275. Corrigenda.- In Australian Corps Routine Order No. 261 of 17.10-18-- 108th How. Bty, A.F.A. For 2nd Lieut. J. C. GORMAM, 18th Battalion, A.IF. and 6495 L/CpF B. S. MACKAY, 108th How. Bty. Read 2nd Lient. J. C. GORMAN and 6459 L/Cpl. B. S MACHAY, 18th Battalion, A.I.F. In Australian Corps Routine Order No. 259 of 17.10-18 For 7346 Spr. J. J. BOATWRIGHT, lst Aust. Tunnelling Coy., A E. Read 7346 Spr. J. J. BOATWRIGHT, Ist A.T. Coy. A.E.

30/10/18
INTER-OFFICE MINUTE.

Lieut J. L. Williams Aust
Provo Corps.
Was Under Secy for Justice N.S.W.
and awarded CMG for his
services in Civil Line. Age 47.
Joined AIF as a gunner
left Aust in May '16.
On arrival in England was
transferred to Provo Corps & given
a commission on 1 1/17.
Promoted Lieut : 22 4/17
Appointed D.A.J.A.G. with temp rank
of Capt. 15 12/17.
Transferred to France & reverted to Lieut
12 6/18. he was offered a high
 

 


apptmt in Aust in Deptmt of
Justice - Refused as he
wanted to see service in
France.
Expert in Law - quiet, sensible,
reliable, suitable for A.P.M.
Corps I do not believe that
his appointment would be
resented in the Provo Corps.
30/1/0/10 
Ral
 

 

31/10/18
Conference xxxx Nov 1/18
Reorganization - Filling Vacancies in Commands & staffs
Apptment of N.C.O's.
Double Battalions - Question of Nomenclature
Return of "Casuals" to what Bns?
their internal transfer & absorption
Strange Artillery Staff - owing to need of rest
Extra Lewis guns - 4 per Bn   ?
Interchange of picquet troupe members.
Arrangements for Round- up
Leave in England
Divisions
I . Leave for Bennett  ✓
Review on Nov. 6        ✓
II. Rosenthal leave
III
IV Shaw - Anzac Coves - not to be used.
V
 

 


31.12.18.
Dinner given by the Secretary of State for War to
Field Marshall Sir Douglas Haig
and the Army Commanders, on 30/12/18
Major Thornton
Lt. Colonel Amery.                        Lt. Colonel Bowly.
Major-Genl. Thwaites.                  Major-Genl. Radcliffe.
Sir Sam Fay.                                    Mr. Weir.
Major-Genl. Sykes                         Major-Genl. Fielding. 8
Lieut.-Genl. Sir F. Davies.             Lt.-Genl. Sir G. Macdonagh. 9
Lieut.-Genl. Sir H. Gough. 1          Lt.-Genl. Sir J. Monash.
Lieut.-Genl. Sir J. Cowans. 2         Field Marshall Sir D. Haig.
General Sir H. Horne. 3                  The Secretary of State. 10
The Rt. Hon.Ian Macpherson. 7   General Sir W. Birdwood.
General the Hon. Sir J. Byng. 4    General Sir H. Wilson. 11
General Sir W. Robertson. 5          General Sir N. Macready.
The Rt. Hon H. Forster. 6                Major-General Barington.
Lieut.-Genl. T. Clarke.                       Lt.-Genl. Sir G. Fowke.
Major-Genl. Sir W. Furse.                Sir R. Brade.
The Earl Stanhope.                           Major-Genl. Sir A. Lynden Bell.
Lieut.-Genl. Griscom.                       Major Sir P. Sassoon.
Mr. Creedy.
(Entrance).
1. Formerly commanding Fifth Army.
2 Quarter Master General, at War Office
3. Commanding First Army
4. Commanding Third Army.
5. C - in - C United Kingdom
6. Financial Secretary to War Office.
7. Parliamentary Under-Secretary for War
8. Commanding London District
9. Adjutant General at War Office
10. The Viscount Milner
11. Chief of the Imperial General Staff.
 

 

Spare Copy for G.O.C.
SECRET & URGENT
AUSTRALIAN CORPS
Corps Headquarters,
30th October, 1918.
[*HEADQUARTERS AUSTRALIAN CORPS
No SJ /5223
Date*]
Maj.Gen. Sir J.J. TALBOT HOBBS, KCB., VD.,
Commanding 5th Aust. Division.
Maj.Gen. E.G. SINCLAIR-MACLAGAN, CB.,DSO.,
Commanding 4th Aust. Division.
Maj.Gen. J. GELLIBRAND. CB., DSO.,
Commanding 3rd Aust. Division.
Brig.Gen J.C. ROBERTSON, CMG., DSO.,
T/Commanding 2nd Aust. Division.
Brig.Gen. H.G.BENNETT, CB., CMG.,
(For Maj.Gen.T.W.GLASGOW, CB., CMG., DSO.,
Commanding 1st Aust. Division.)
1.-  The question of further employment of the Australian
Corps in the near future has been the subject of lengthy discussion
between the Honourable the Prime Minister, the War Office, the
Commander-in-Chief, the Army Commander and myself.- As the result
of these discussions, and for reasons which will be explained in due
course, it appears inevitable that, in the event of the enemy not
immediately accepting the armistice terms which are to be propounded
this week, there services of the Corps will be required in the very
near future, to take up a portion of the Front now held by the
Fourth Army.-
2.-  The date and nature of employment cannot be definitely
foreshadowed as it is contingent upon the results of an operation
on a very large scale which will take place in the course of the
next few days.- It is quite possible, however, that 2 of the 
Divisions of the Corps may receive orders to move forward by train
early in the coming week.-
3. -  After careful consideration of the relative strengths of
our Brigades, and of the periods of rest which several Divisions

have enjoyed, I have come to the conclusion that the only criterion,
to determine the order of employment of the Divisions in the future, is
the period of rest which the troops have enjoyed. - I propose,
therefore, to adhere strictly to the order of employment of the
Divisions according to their recent periods of service and rest.-
The order of employment will therefore be as follows:-
1st, 4th, 3rd, 5th, 2nd, Divisions.
4.-  The Army Commander foreshadows that the nature of the
employment is likely to be very much less arduous than was hitherto
the case, and the approach of winter makes it reasonably certain
that no lengthy offensive period need to be contemplated. - It is
probable, therefore, that the 2 Divisions first employed will not be
 

 

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required for longer than about a week or ten days, when they
will be relieved by the next 2 in order of choice. -
5.-  The Army Commander feels that he ought to explain
personally to senior officers of the Corps the military aspects
of the present situation, and he is therefore desirous of
meeting senior officers for a short talk with him.-
6.-  In pursuance of this, I shall be glad if Divisional
Commanders, with their G.S.O's (I) and, if available, their
Brigade Commanders and C's.R.A., will assemble at the headquarters
of the 2nd Australian Division at BELLOY on the afternoon of
Friday, 1st November.- The Army Commander, who is travelling
up from VERSAILLES, expects to reach this location at 4 p.m.-
7.-  In order to enable me to get in touch with Divisional
Commanders on Corps questions of Organisation, Appointments,and 
Training, I shall be glad if you will arrange to be in attendance
at 3 o'clock on that afternoon.- This will allow me an hour to
deal with matters of routine before the arrival of the Army
Commander.-
8.- Please acknowledge safe receipt of this letter by wire.
Lieut.-General,
Commanding Australian Corps.
 

 

Re Official History of the War  1/11/18
I would like to request a letter to General
Birdwood, which I could take to him, saying
that gather from Mr. Bean that Mr
Falesque, who is writing the Official History
of the War, is dependent on the War Diaries
& official records for his history of the Australian
Share in the War. This seems very inadequate
as it leaves out the human factor and the

psychological aspect. It seems desirable that

someone who has been associated with the 
Corps & has known the A.I.F., & its development
& characteristics, should be available to assist
Mr Falesque. General Caurthers is anxious
to do this & seems suitable.
 

 

[*GOC*]
No.49 (Orders 264-276)
ROUTINE OrDERS

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Congratulatory - continued

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3.  Officers' Room
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