Thomas Whyte Collection - Wallet 2 - Part 5 of 12

Conflict:
First World War, 1914–18
Subject:
  • Love Letters
Status:
Finalised
Accession number:
AWM2022.6.224
Difficulty:
2

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41 From an office just landed fro thalf England cames the news that the Sprive Army from Britain has been successfull transported to the continent. This if true will make onr chance of getting into the fiving line rather remote for some time. How I hate to read of you tearing up any letters. Dou't be afraid of any confusion thet many letters being in one envelope. I absolutely lave unravelling & piecing them together. The Anstrabian L.O. officials have been very generans. It came out in orders when we landed here that postage on letter had to be prepaid & this still holds good as far as this end is concern I was supprised in a way about the birthday I thought the sequence was in march How I got that into my head I dont know. I will write aletter to your mother this wail though I dont suppose she will receive it until after man. 20 It was delicians hearing of Mollie slang. She must be getting on wonderfully quickly. I can't think who Vera howe is for the life of me I seem to know the name
yet I can't remember any girl of that name. Perhaps she believes in Spiritualism or Bhuddism & it was inaformer life she missed her chance. However I dont blame hes I have carefully read over Beans famous letter. I have an idea there will be trauble or lott of papertalt It seems to create great resetment among the soldiers. Every where you hear condemnatory opinions about it. Con a close analysrs I can find bery little that has not some truth in it but the whole thing creates such a false impression. I feel sure it will do much more harm than good. It would be prossty unford to publish the names of those sent back & the reason If they do there will be trouble I feel sure whoever the military authority is who asked But do all australians drink quite so much I don't know but I know this he is a wouser orignoramus Drunkenness has been comparatively very little in carro Tfink of 20,000 ake can men landed in a ciry with plenty of money & no restraining influence. and the dop liquor to drink. It has
43 all along seemed a maniel to me that there was not much more Ang lady travelling in the last trais to mena would have found nothing to remark on except perhaps the crowded ness for the roofs are crammed as much as anywhere else. I have seen more disgusting sights on a saturday night train to Hyde Park than I have seen on the Pyramedrtram. The headlines the Advertises + other papers have put in to show it up in the wost line. Bean says only 10r 29 are responsible for all this unameable scar dot. Well that is a very small percentage of wasters in any army and the hentous crines they have committe consist chiefly of breaking leave Take the 10th battalion. Seventeen were sent back in the first batch, 10 as medically unfit most of whom well enlist again 7 as discharged be the waster Beantalks about. In the second batch 10 of each are being returned. Of these more than half are old hands that is South African soldiers, British regulars or navy men mostly of the joining this farce as deserters + more than half are not Australians at all
than 44 the a This is I believe the sad same as in the other battalien. Some of the wasters would be the finest soldier in the world in the fiving line but because they have more than once broken leave for longer than a day they are classed as deserters and after being at kept in detention here for periods varying from 7to 28 days are returned. One man as an instance from our company. Scotty Robertson a five foot six nuggetty chap immengely popular wat with officers & men expecially magor Hurcon for whom he would do anything. Fourteen years in the Black Watch is scottys recod when he was on parade no neates amartes, more soldierly man could be found and srill, he was a picture to watch. But Scottys only foult was booze. A few drink sent him over & then arose his violent dislike to poticemen. Luckily he kneve did any haror as the Kedcaps know how to deal with tights. He didnt reckon the native policemen worth calling such. Our old woman fot her say at last though Hurcombe was heard to say he wished he had a regiment of Scottys and Seotty is going to Australia to
45 hop into the next contingent by hook or crook. This case is not peculia I am fromly of the opinion that the heads who are responsible for this returning are poor judges of human nature. There was a real rotter in this battalion who pot 12 months in the malta gaol (which will not be unfamliar to him) for hitting Troggy Oldham. He was a cocking regular & jained as a deserter. The slavenly appearance of some men is easily accounted for by the sloppy & only uniform we had. Every man has always been critically inspected before going to Carro but if his one + only uniform has bes showing the recult of 5 months constant wear, who is to blame. It is all rot about old soldier showing off. This alone shows Bean off as being unreliable I have spoken to lot veterans, we have as to why most offenders are old Ioldier 4 in Acoy who could be relied on for an opinions worth having. Our Sergeant major who has been a soldier all his life I seen more than one campsaign put the position this way. When a recre jams the Regulars disciptine of the hardest
46 sort is down on him from the first hour If he is any good it may slacken but the discipline to there as it the commanding officers judgement in knowing how to deal with men In this force it was quite the opposite Disciptine was very slack at first &g tightened spasmodicall and the officess did not know how to dear with men. These old soldiers of the unsteady sort took advantage of any lisence & the heads dont known how to deal with them have resorted to discharging them & inspiring articles like Beans to shift the blam If things are no worse than in any other army (from what I hear we are angels sweets above the cauadians) why do all this harm by these flaring head lines Do they imagine they will improve things throway. If they do I know nothing about humannature. They sent a circular to the second contingent on their arrival at Port said which accured us of scandals tra in a similar to Beans letters. When they landed they found most of it to be re exaggerated + what was
the result. They were mare 2nd contingen drunks in Carrothear first week of landing than in the first week of the landing of the first, stines thei number Then these imentionable dueass. Egypt has been notorious for venereal dicease since histon began. The very anceators of these people were the ones who helped t introduce syphillus into Curope through the crusaders. They are supposed to be under control of the authorities &medica examined but they are not, sere respectit The dema-mondes seem to be the worst & the recult is that the propotions of officers better is as great as the men These disease can be prevented to a cetain extent, but the authorities did not take steps in time Well I feel much better having got all this off my chest ats angrate you will be able to size up the truth of Beans or any other article for yourself. I am enclosing 2 photoo taken at tlast Sundays lacrosse match. The houp is the 10th battalion team & reading from left to right show Top Dukien (referee) Edwards, whyt, nott, Lordon, Edwards
& Blackbuon. Bottom row Rent, White I White RN., Tower, Fardham & Khodes. The duet is supposed to represent me in a characteristic attitude humming cigarettes I am not quite as block as the photograph would have you believe you can just see the meria train in the backgroung of both. The trees are on the Pyramnds road. We could not show the do. as a backfromng on account of the position of the sun Frot hold of some interesting particulars of the fighting on the Canal. Major brand & some other offices went down to have a look round afterward + this is from his recturtte to 4 llatoon whom he happened to come across in the deserty TrKSEM 4 Body 500 KANTARA Ao stratasnn TwoopS ISMAILIA TUTHSFOS 45 M Serngr Car BICov
49 The British forces pumped water from the caral into the low lying ground shown in Sketch as A + B (shaded) rendering a thack on Kantara only possible where anr farcer were most strougly entrenched 7-7 The first attack took place at 3.26 am but was easily repulsed At exactly the same time a Turkish force of unknown strength advanced right up to the Caval to a paint marked & between Semailia Yescoum & launched galvanized ion boats. The fighting at this point was very fierce for a time but in the end the enemy were repulsed (This is evidently where that strategy described in a previon letter was shown by but forces) Had they brought forward then 25,000 troops in reserve about 6 miles away the issue may have been different. There is some who believe the reserve refused to go forward The boats used by the Tusks had been dragged across the Sinar desert on sledges by relays of men Wonders will never cease. The second lot of wasters were to have enbarked a week a go but the boct was not ready. The were all sent to Abbassia
56 3or 4 days ago& pleced under puard there. Half an nant ety turned up here & made straight for major Hurcombe who has promised to do his best for him. He only heard yesteday We were to move soon. However he broke away coodness only knows. Ah thought at wad be able to keel a few move Termans if Ah wint we this force instid of haing to gaw to Australi & back he explained to the major. what a characrer he is He are still in the dark as to ont destination of actual date of departure since writing on Tuesday the war new unfolds yet another likely objective I mean constantinople of the Allies intentions are serious + a Russian attack is really intended on the Bardanelles an Australian landing party fom this side would possibly be a help still whats the use of all this surmising you will know long before this reaches you expect Ar B Coy did all the Divisional guards & fatigues instead of the 9th Battalia for the 24 hours commencing 5 pm yesterday. Icaught an easy guard

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From an officer just landed from 
England comes the news that half the Spring 
Army from Britain has been successfully 
transported to the continent. This if true 
will make our chance of getting into 
the firing  line rather remote for some 
time.  
How I hate to read of you tearing up any 
letters. Don't be afraid of any confusion thro 
many letters being in one envelope. I 
absolutely love unravelling & piecing them
 to-gether.
 The Australian P.O. officials have been 
very generous .  It came out in orders 
when we landed here that postage 
on letters had to be prepaid & this still 
holds good as far as this end is concerned. 
I was surprised in a way about the birthdays. 
I thought the sequence was in March.  
How I got that into my head I dont 
know. I will write a letter to your mother 
this mail though I dont suppose she 
will receive it until after Mar. 20    
It was delicious hearing of Mollies 
slang. She must be getting on wonderfully  
quickly.  
I cant think who Vera Rowe is for  
the life of me.  I seem to know the name

 

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yet I cant remember any girl of that  
name. Perhaps she believes in Spiritualism 
or Bhuddism & it was in a former life  
she missed her chance. However I don't 
blame her. 
I have carefully read over Beans 
famous letter. I have an idea there 
will be trouble or lots of paper talk.  
It seems to create great resentment among 
the soldiers. Everywhere . you hear 
condemnatory opinions about it. On 
a close analysis I can find very little 
that has not some truth in it but 
the whole thing creates such a false 
impression. I feel sure it will do much 
more harm than good. It would be 
grossly unfair to publish the names of 
those sent back & the reason. If they 
do there will be trouble I feel sure.  
Whoever the military authority is who 
asked 'But do all Australians drink quite 
so much' I don't know but I know  
this he is a wowser or an ignoramus 
Drunkenness has been comparatively 
very little in Cairo. Think of 20000 
men landed in a city like Cairo with plenty 
of money & no restraining influences 
and the [[dop?]] liquor to drink. It has 

 

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all along seemed a marvel to me  
that there was not much more.   
Any lady travelling in the last trams  
to Mena would have found nothing  
to remark on except perhaps the crowdedness  
for the roofs are crammed as much  
as anywhere else. I have seen more  
disgusting sights on a Saturday nights  
tram to Hyde Park than I have seen  
on the Pyramids tram. 
The headlines the Advertiser & other  
papers have put in to show it up  
in the worst line. Bean says only
1 or 2% are responsible for all this  
unameable scandal. Well that is a very  
small percentage of wasters in any army  
and the henious crimes they have committed  
consist chiefly of breaking leave Take  
the 10th battalion. Seventeen were sent  
back in the first batch, 10 as medically  
unfit, most of whom will enlist again  
7 as discharged ie the wasters Bean talks  
about. In the second batch 10 of each are  
being returned. Of these more than half  
are old hands that is South African soldiers,  
British regulars or navy men mostly of them  
des joining this force as deserters & more  
than half are not Australians at all
 

 

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This is I believe about the same over the  
same as in the other battalions. Some  
of the 'wasters' would be the finest soldiers  
in the world in the firing line but  
because they have more than once 
broken leave for longer than a day  
they are classed as deserters and after  
being at kept in detention here for  
periods varying from 7 to 28 days are  
returned. One man as an instance from  
our company. Scotty Robertson a five
foot six nuggetty chap immensely popular  
with officers & men especially with Major Hurcombe  
for whom he would do anything. Fourteen  
years in the Black Watch is Scottys record  
when he was on parade no neater, smarter,  
more soldierly man could be found And  
drill, he was a picture to watch. But  
Scottys only fault was booze. A few drinks  
sent him over & then arose his violent  
dislike to policemen. Luckily, he d never  
did any harm as the Red caps know how  
to deal with tights. He didn't reckon the  
native policemen worth calling such.  
Our 'old woman' got her say at last  
(though Hurcombe was heard to say  
he wished he had a regiment of Scotty's) 
and Scotty is going to Australia to

 

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hop into the next contingent by  
hook or crook. This case is not peculiar.  
I am firmly of the opinion that  
the heads who are responsible for  
this returning are poor judges of  
human nature. There was a real  
rotter in this battalion who got 12  
months in the Malta gaol (which  
will not be unfamiliar to him) for  
hitting Froggy Oldham. He was a cockney  
regular & joined as a deserter.  
The slovenly appearance of some men  
is easily accounted for by the sloppy  
& only uniform we had. Every man  
has always been critically inspected  
before going to Cairo but if his one &  
only uniform has been showing the  
result of 5 months constant wear,  
who is to blame. It is all rot about  
old soldiers showing off. This alone  
shows Bean off as being unreliable. 
I have spoken to lots of veterans, we have  
from A Coy who could be relied on for  
an opinions worth having 
as to why most offenders are old soldiers.  Our Sergeant  
Major who has been a soldier all his life  
& seen more than one campaign put  
the position this way. When a recruit 
joins the Regulars discipline of the hardest 
 

 

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sort is down on him from the 
first hour  If he is any good it may
slacken but the discipline is there as is  
the commanding officers judgement in 
knowing how to deal with men. 
In this force it was quite the opposite  
Discipline was very slack at first 
& gra tightened spasmodically and  
the officers did not know how to  
deal with men. These old soldiers  
of the unsteady sort took advantage  
of any licence & the heads dont not knowing  
how to deal with them have resorted  
to discharging them & inspiring  
articles like Beans to shift the blame.  
If things are no worse than in any 
 other army (from what I hear we are
angels to streets above the Canadians) why do  
all this harm by these flaring head  
lines  Do they imagine they will improve  
things this way?  If they do I know  
nothing about human nature.   
They sent a circular to the second  
contingent on their arrival at  
Port Said which accused us of Scandals  
in a similar strain to Beans letters. When they  
landed they found most of it  
to be round exaggerated & what was

 

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the result. They were more 2nd contingent  
drunks in Cairo their first week of  
landing, than in the first week of  
the landing of the first, 3 times their  
number. 
Then these unmentionable diseases. Egypt  
has been notorious for venereal disease  
since history began. The very ancestors  
of these people were the ones who helped  
to introduce syphillus into Europe  
through the Crusaders. They are supposed  
to be under control of the authorities  
& medically examined but they are not.   
The semi respectable demi-mondes seem to be the worst  
& the result is that the proportions of  
officers bitten is as great as the men.   
These diseases can be prevented to a certain  
extent, but the authorities did not take  
steps in time.
Well I feel much better having got all  
this off my chest At anyrate you will  
be able to size up the truth of Beans  
or any other article for yourself.
I am enclosing 2 photos taken at  
last Sunday's lacrosse match. The  
group is the 10th battalion team & reading  
from left to right show Top Du Rieu  
(referee) Edwards, Whyte, Nott, Gordon, Edwards

 

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& Blackburn. Bottom row Rent, White HH,  
White Rh., Gower, Fordham & Rhodes. The  
duet is supposed to represent me in  
a characteristic attitude 'humming  
cigarettes'  I am not quite as black  
as the photograph would have you believe.   
You can just see the a Maria tram  
in the background of both. The trees  
are on the Pyramids road. We could  
not show the    do.   as a background  
on account of the position of the sun.   
I got hold of some interesting particulars  
of the fighting on the Canal. Major  
Brand & some other officers went down  
to have a look round afterwards &  
this is from his lecturette to #4  
Platoon whom he happened to come across  
in the desert 

 

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The British forces pumped water from  
the canal into the low lying ground shown in  
sketch as A & B (shaded) rendering attack  
on Kantara only possible where our forces  
were most strongly entrenched Y - Z 
The first attack took place at 3.26 am but  
was easily repulsed At exactly the same  
time a Turkish force of unknown  
strength advanced right up to the Canal  
to a point marked X between Ismailia  
&  Yessoum & launched galvanized iron  
boats. The fighting at this point was very 
fierce for a time but in the end the  
enemy were repulsed (This is evidently  
where that strategy described in a previous  
letter was shown by our forces)
Had they brought forward their 25000  
troops in reserve about 6 miles away  
the issue may have been different.  
There is some who believe the reserve  
refused to go forward.  
The boats were used by the Turks had  
been dragged across the Sinai Desert  
on sledges by relays of men
Wonders will never cease. The second  
lot of 'wasters' were to have embarked  
a week a go but the boat was not  
ready. The were all sent to Abbassia

 

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3 or 4 days ago & placed under guard  
there. Half an hour ago Scotty turned  
up here & made straight for Major  
Hurcombe who has promised to do  
his best for him. He only heard yesterday  
we were to move soon. However he broke  
away goodness only knows.
'Ah thought Ah wud be able to keel a  
few more Germans if Ah went wi this  
force instid of ha'ing to gaw to Australi  
& back' he explained to the Major:  
What a character he is.
We are still in the dark as to our  
destination or actual date of departure  
Since writing on Tuesday the war news  
unfolds yet another likely objective  
I mean Constantinople.  If the Allies  
intentions are serious & a Russian  
attack is really intended on the  
Dardanelles an Australian landing  
party from this side would possibly  
be a help.  Still what's the use of  
all this surmising.  You will know  
long before this reaches your I expect.  
A & B Coy did all the Divisional guards  
& fatigues instead of the 9th Battalion
for the 24 hours commencing 5 pm  
yesterday. I caught an easy guard 

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